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Empires in Arms is the computer version of Australian Design Group classic board game. Empires in Arms is a seven player game of grand strategy set during the Napoleonic period of 1805-1815. The unit scale is corps level with full diplomatic options

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ORIGINAL: Murat
If Marshall thinks you deserve a free copy that's his call, it's his game and his money to lose. 

That is the point, you can freely post your "speach" here, its your time.
But your record speaks for itself. Prior to this post trying to scam a free game you had not posted here in 2.5 YEARS and even that post was an inane reposting of the post before you. I have seen your 'contributions' here and they certainly do not merit anything free.

Yes, my record spoke for itself, I didnt post in 2 years, and you think you can JUDGE me for it?
Not happy enough, you also judge my posts or contributions here, you really deserve your nick Murat, prepotent.

As I said, you dont know much about this, you are talking about this public forum contributions, not about my contributions in the private development forum, neither my free time 2 years ago, mails and games and games I played, alone versus the AI or by email, saved games reports and many nites.
I have seen the result of your beta testing and it also does not deserve anything free. Beta testers failed Marshall. He's getting a lot of complaints because you did not do the job you were supposed to do. Maybe that is due in large part to the fact that 2 YEARS ago every beta tester except Raleigh (and he's been absent for a bit too), Richard and maybe Joe quit doing any work, particularly YOU as Richard pointed out.

To who am i talking with? GOD?

I can tell from your words you are one of those guys who love to judge everybody else from above his shoulder but doesnt like it the other way.

I am not like you and I am proud of it, I will never judge someone's work as easily as you do, not even YOURS.
I have beta tested. My reward was my name in the manual (why isn't yours in there?) and getting to play the game prior to release, at which point I had to BUY it in every case. 

Probably my name is not there because MG did not think I contribuited enough in the project as you. Congratulations!

I did too, and I am really proud of it, no matter what you think about my work and other betatesters work long time ago, and I know that all of us left some contributions to the game, more or less, we aported our best in it, as far as we could/knew.

Its really arrogant from you the way you talk and despise other people "free" time & work.
I will give you credit for having some brass ones though - it takes a lot to ask for free stuff from a project you abandoned.

Thanks for the credit!
You should listen a song called "try walking in my shoes" from Depeche Mode...onces in a while.
I abandoned for many reasons, mainly personal ones, which I do not have tell and less to you.
If i asked for it is because I did contribute to the game, no matter what you tell me, and I love the boardgame.

Have a nice day...

P.S.: I apologize for this thread, I post it about 2 months ago in the private development section with no answer.
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Hey lets all play nice and move on [:D]

we have alot of work ahaed us to get the game to be where it should be.
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ORIGINAL: HanBarca

ROFL....look what I've found searching around. I'm sure I could find more if I had the time.

It's a post from neverman, 2/26/2005: (the whole post is here)

Well, seeing as how TMR JUST BECAME an issue, I have to question the methods in which Matrix went about choosing these "Beta Playtesters". It's obvious that not many of them have experience with EiA. I am sure Marshall and the Playtesters are doing their best, I just wish that another company had picked up EiA before Matrix got their hands on it and ruined it. I guess I can still be happy that at least someone is attempting it, without Matrix I am not sure there would ever be a CEiA.

After that, I think i'll leave the troll alone.

Yes and? I made that post before they made me a playtester, what is your point?

Look man, I'm sorry you got your panties in an uproar. The fact remains that MatrixGames did NOT do a faithful conversion of the game, that's obvious to anyone who has ever played the board game EiA. I also stated there that if not for MatrixGames there wouldn't be a CEiA, so I was thankful for that.


EDIT: As far as Han and Murat attacking the beta testers, where were you? Like I said, I never really got to beta test but I often read the Beta test forums and there were SOOO MANY problems that you hindsighters don't know. It's also very mature to attack a whole group of people that helped (freely I might add) bring this game to fruition.
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Yes and? I made that post before they made me a playtester, what is your point?

Oh my god.....do you suffer of any double personality problem? you posted this one hour ago in another EiA thread (the whole thread is here)
ORIGINAL: NeverMan
Once again if you actually read my posts you would know that I never got a chance to playtest. I really wish you would get your head out of your ass and read people's posts before replying to them and jumping all over them. It just makes you look ignorant.

So, make up your mind: did you playtest or not? What's your name? What do you see in this ink stain?

Guys, that's too funny [:D]
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ORIGINAL: HanBarca

ORIGINAL: NeverMan

Yes and? I made that post before they made me a playtester, what is your point?

Oh my god.....do you suffer of any double personality problem? you posted this one hour ago in another EiA thread (the whole thread is here)
ORIGINAL: NeverMan
Once again if you actually read my posts you would know that I never got a chance to playtest. I really wish you would get your head out of your ass and read people's posts before replying to them and jumping all over them. It just makes you look ignorant.

So, make up your mind: did you playtest or not? What's your name? What do you see in this ink stain?

The post of mine you quoted (found) was from 2005, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. It's 2008 by the way.

I was made a playtester. That is what I said.

I apologize, it's obvious English is not your first language, so I'm sorry if this is confusing for you.


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you really don't know when it's time to shut up, don't you ? [:D]
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you really don't know when it's time to shut up, don't you ? [:D]

If you want to bicker and act like a child, just PM me from now on, otherwise add something.
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you really don't know when it's time to shut up, don't you ? [:D]

Just curious, but have you ever read the parable of the mote and the beam?

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oh come on....this is not the forum of salvation army ;)
This guy can't even decide if he was a playtester or not.....
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oh come on....this is not the forum of salvation army ;)
This guy can't even decide if he was a playtester or not.....

I told you before I was a playtester (I have the NDA to prove it), I just didn't get time to actual do any playtesting. What about that is so hard for you to understand?
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ORIGINAL: NeverMan
As far as Han and Murat attacking the beta testers, where were you? Like I said, I never really got to beta test but I often read the Beta test forums and there were SOOO MANY problems that you hindsighters don't know. It's also very mature to attack a whole group of people that helped (freely I might add) bring this game to fruition.

We volunteered to beta test and we sure the hell have been doing a bunch of cleaning up since release.
ORIGINAL: Grimrod42
we have alot of work ahaed us to get the game to be where it should be.

I am attacking this concept that beta testers are owed a free copy of the game. Apparently the beta testers did not help for free since you state the NDA promised them a copy which means U$70 (I on the other hand have done my things for FREE - I bought the game) and you yourself admitted that most of the beta testers did not do enough work to merit that. Some people actually worked hard as beta testers, my guess is those are the people listed in the manual. Ardilla was not one of them and he insults not only the beta testers but us customers by coming here for a free copy when he didn't earn it.
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You know... i was a beta tester for Crown of Glory and then Forge of Freedom, until my Wife was diagnosed with a rare bone disease and i became Mr. Mom, and i have at least 2 registered copies(purchased) of Forge not counting my Beta one which i deleted when i stopped. IMHO, it's about what WE can do for the cause  not what THEY can do for us.
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You know... i was a beta tester for Crown of Glory and then Forge of Freedom, until my Wife was diagnosed with a rare bone disease and i became Mr. Mom, and i have at least 2 registered copies(purchased) of Forge not counting my Beta one which i deleted when i stopped. IMHO, it's about what WE can do for the cause  not what THEY can do for us.

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This is the only way traditional wargames will survive in the XBOX/PS/DS/WII world!

By the way, I have playtested on 3 different projects (none for Matrix --- yet) and have never received anything but the satisfication of having helped improve something I cared about.

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We volunteered to beta test and we sure the hell have been doing a bunch of cleaning up since release.

I respect YOUR FREE work and whatever you do with your free time, not as you critize mine and other fellows by arguing that we did not a good job,...and things like that.

It look like you had a kind of resentment with the betatesters that didnt hang over enough till the release of the game, problably Marshall can tell it, will be 90% of all.
I am attacking this concept that beta testers are owed a free copy of the game. Apparently the beta testers did not help for free since you state the NDA promised them a copy which means U$70 (I on the other hand have done my things for FREE - I bought the game) and you yourself admitted that most of the beta testers did not do enough work to merit that. Some people actually worked hard as beta testers, my guess is those are the people listed in the manual. Ardilla was not one of them and he insults not only the beta testers but us customers by coming here for a free copy when he didn't earn it.

Under my point of view I am not insulting you or other customers, anyway I you thing so, I am sorry. Otherwise, again IMO, you are insult us...but maybe its just my opinion....you can do, as you did or you are doing, helping the game up, but before the release, there were many years of work of many people before you.

EiA is a very complex game, I dont remember any of my boardgames without a rules discussion....tranlating this to a computer game was not an easy work.

Regards.

P.S. Hope to meet you in a email game...but dont expected and alliance from me :)
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The public forum is not the place for this discussion. Per their NDA agreements, active beta testers are owed copies of the game. Marshall is going over the list and anyone he sends to us as qualifying for that will receive a free game. Testers should already have a free digital copy of the game from their testing, the physical copies are always delayed until we get them in stock in the office.

If anyone from the test team wishes to continue this discussion, please do it on the private forum where I assume you have access.

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