Intelligence & Reconnaissance aircraft

[largo]

Hi,

On the first photograph, north-west units are not seen (green interrogation mark).




On the contrary, after the German armoured division attack, two Russian units are become visible ( upper yellow arrow).



How are manage Intelligence (spies) and Reconnaissance aircraft in TOAW III?
How can we do better?

Tanks......[;)]

[ColinWright]

I'm not sure I necessarily have any problem with the above. After all, TOAW has to abstract the continuum of real-life intelligence into a few discrete levels. In other words, in reality, the presence of those Russian tank divisions was a suspicion in the mind of a major. Partly prompted by the attack, additional movements, radio intercepts, photographs of supply trucks, etc have developed the major's suspicion to where it is now a probability in the mind of a colonel.

[JAMiAM]

What happened was that the attack against the adjacent hexes caused the artillery to support the defenders. This is what revealed the previously unrevealed stack. That looks like the stock Barbarossa 41 scenario, and the recon values are set at 0, so you are generally not going to see further than the hexes adjacent to your own units. At least as player one.

[ColinWright]

ORIGINAL: JAMiAM

What happened was that the attack against the adjacent hexes caused the artillery to support the defenders. This is what revealed the previously unrevealed stack. That looks like the stock Barbarossa 41 scenario, and the recon values are set at 0, so you are generally not going to see further than the hexes adjacent to your own units. At least as player one.

There you go. It does remind me, though, of what is a flaw.

Ships automatically provide fire support -- and reveal their position when they do. I have literally had exactly this situation in Seelowe:

The British have slipped some destroyers into the Thames Estuary -- where they will be in a position to pounce on traffic in the Channel next turn. I can't see them when my turn comes, but I saw them go in. However, the blocking unit representing the British coastal defences prevents me going in with a ship to spot them.

Solution? Launch an otherwise pointless attack along the front along the south coast of the Estuary. The British destroyers automatically fire in support -- there they are! Now I can cream them with my Stukas.

Not very realistic. Ships -- like artillery -- should have the ability to refrain from firing in support.

[desert]

In a lot of scenarios involving WW2, I have found that it is generally a bad idea to attack ships with planes. In fact, I LIKE it when my ships are attacked, so I can watch the enemy lose 3-5 planes for every 1 of mine. When I am lucky, they lose over a thousand planes in a single attack.

[Karri]

ORIGINAL: desert

In a lot of scenarios involving WW2, I have found that it is generally a bad idea to attack ships with planes. In fact, I LIKE it when my ships are attacked, so I can watch the enemy lose 3-5 planes for every 1 of mine. When I am lucky, they lose over a thousand planes in a single attack.

...depends on the type of planes I think.

[desert]

Yeah, but when you attack, often both sides' planes (that are on CS) will join the attack, and there will be a mass slaughter.

[ColinWright]

ORIGINAL: desert

In a lot of scenarios involving WW2, I have found that it is generally a bad idea to attack ships with planes. In fact, I LIKE it when my ships are attacked, so I can watch the enemy lose 3-5 planes for every 1 of mine. When I am lucky, they lose over a thousand planes in a single attack.

Really historical. Why I hack all the AA values. Ships get one-fifth of the default strength.

[desert]

This is not just because of ships, mind you. The thousands of planes both sides send in play the biggest role.

[ColinWright]

ORIGINAL: desert

This is not just because of ships, mind you. The thousands of planes both sides send in play the biggest role.

The outcome would depend on the relative level of air superiority then. At any rate, in Seelowe, the Germans generally manage to put about twice the fighters in the air as the British do when the Luftwaffe has a go at British ships heading for the Channel -- and the resulting losses are usually pretty acceptable -- say, all the ships will be sunk, eighty German aircraft will have bitten the dust, and about forty British fighters will have gone down.

[desert]

It gets really crazy when jets are involved.

[L`zard]

ORIGINAL: desert
It gets really crazy when jets are involved.

Or when Colin is involved!

[:'(][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[ColinWright]

ORIGINAL: L`zard

ORIGINAL: desert
It gets really crazy when jets are involved.

Or when Colin is involved!

[:'(][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Perhaps in general, but in this case I'm just reporting what I've seen. Sober, and down to earth. Actual clinical trials.

[L`zard]

ORIGINAL: ColinWright

ORIGINAL: L`zard

ORIGINAL: desert
It gets really crazy when jets are involved.

Or when Colin is involved!
[:'(][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Perhaps in general, but in this case I'm just reporting what I've seen. Sober, and down to earth. Actual clinical trials.

My Ghod, man!

You expect me to pay attention to someone that's 'Sober'..??

My Wife is a nurse, and that's as dmn close to 'clinical' as I wish to come!!!!

I greatly prefer the wild conjectures, slanted opinions, occasional rants, and personal notes you offer on this forum to something 'sober, clinical, and objective' eh?

Don't destroy my trust in your writings, Colin! Here I thought I was beginning to like you, LOL!

[;)]

[ColinWright]

ORIGINAL: L`zard

ORIGINAL: ColinWright

ORIGINAL: L`zard

Or when Colin is involved!
[:'(][:D][:D][:D][:D]

Perhaps in general, but in this case I'm just reporting what I've seen. Sober, and down to earth. Actual clinical trials.

My Ghod, man!

You expect me to pay attention to someone that's 'Sober'..??

My Wife is a nurse, and that's as dmn close to 'clinical' as I wish to come!!!!

I greatly prefer the wild conjectures, slanted opinions, occasional rants, and personal notes you offer on this forum to something 'sober, clinical, and objective' eh?

Don't destroy my trust in your writings, Colin! Here I thought I was beginning to like you, LOL!

[;)]

It sounds like if you just keep me supplied with beer, a mutually beneficial relationship could be established.

[L`zard]

And SUDDENLY your wishing you lived next door?

([:D][:D]) That's often the case around here, eh? (It sounds like if you just keep me supplied with beer, a mutually beneficial relationship could be established. )

Generally, we DO run a 'mutually benificial Beer Fund'. Not to be confused with a 'Heeres Bund' LOL!

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