RIDERS ON THE STORM-THANK YOU

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

Here's the screenshot...
As soon as i get back to office i'll comment...

Thx guys

From the IJA units shown in the screenshot 'only' 10th and 29th Division and the heavy artillery start unter Kwantung Army (but is possible that more units are not shown in the screenshot as the screen sorts out units by database slot number, Kwantung units occupy higher slots). The whole rest are CEA units. If he did not move some other assets from Manchuria to China, there can be not much of a fighting force left in Northern China. Probably some brigades and the garrison divisions that arrive in early 1942 (could be enough to stop a healf-hearted Chinese offensive in the North).

[Jim D Burns]

Scratch what I said earlier about falling all the way back to Chungking for you initial delaying positions. If you can make two defensive strongpoints in the hexes marked below, you'll be a lot stronger as you only need to defend two hexes at once.



Once he starts moving NW into the clear terrain, fall back to the next two defensive positions. If you have the strength left to hold him up, these two positions should slow him down enough for you to both evacuate the Kunming area and await the arrival of your destroyed army.

Jim

Edit: Whoops move the left hand red fort one hex NW and the left hand Purple fort one hex NE. Sorry about that, lol.

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: castor troy
in stock you need 8000 assault points for garrison duty. Don´t know about CHS though.

You only need them assigned to the HQ to prevent activation, nothing stops Troll from marching them into China, which is what I think he's done. Of course I could be wrong, but he sure does have a lot of power in China and India combined. Too much I think for him not to have moved all or most of his Kwangtung armies into China without paying political points to do so.

But as someone said, there is no HR preventing him from doing so. [8|]

Jim

The Manchukuo garrison rule has nothing to do with HQ assignments, every Japanese unit located in the NW Control Zone counts for the garrison requirement.

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
The Manchukuo garrison rule has nothing to do with HQ assignments, every Japanese unit located in the NW Control Zone counts for the garrison requirement.

OK I thought someone tested this way back when and found out units can march all the way to India and nothing happens. It’s the HQ assignment that counts, not where the unit is physically located. Perhaps a patch had fixed this issue and I am simply unaware.

Jim

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Scratch what I said earlier about falling all the way back to Chungking for you initial delaying positions. If you can make two defensive strongpoints in the hexes marked below, you'll be a lot stronger as you only need to defend two hexes at once.



Once he starts moving NW into the clear terrain, fall back to the next two defensive positions. If you have the strength left to hold him up, these two positions should slow him down enough for you to both evacuate the Kunming area and await the arrival of your destroyed army.

Jim

Edit: Whoops move the left hand red fort one hex NW and the left hand Purple fort one hex NE. Sorry about that, lol.

Hi Jim,

yes, i agree with this second option.
Problem is that i have only 2 corps and 1 division in the wood-road 120 miles north of Changsha...not enough to stop any serious attempt to drive from Changsha to Kwijang taking the northern route. I also have 1500 AVs that are marching back to Chungking from Ichang...but it's a long long way and he has tanks...a lot of tanks...that can shock attack and pursue...
He's already arrived at Hangchow with his tanks from Changhsa...ufff[:o]
Problem is that Troll isn't a foll...he's not going to destroy my armies...he will just drive them into the woods...
Anyway, at Liuchow i have 800 AVs...i hope i can manage to get there more 1000 from the Hangchow area before his reinforceemnts arrive...however it's a very difficult target.

The idea of Jim, to march from Kweilling to the woods in the north is good...but the timing will be difficult to achieve because with his tanks he can arrive and conquer Tsuying before i can drive my guys back there...however i'll try...i'll also try to use some units to break his communication lines and slow him down (as i did with Chansha in the last month)....

Still waiting for the turn to evaluate better the situation

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
The Manchukuo garrison rule has nothing to do with HQ assignments, every Japanese unit located in the NW Control Zone counts for the garrison requirement.

OK I thought someone tested this way back when and found out units can march all the way to India and nothing happens. It’s the HQ assignment that counts, not where the unit is physically located. Perhaps a patch had fixed this issue and I am simply unaware.

Jim

I also remember this Jim...are you guys sure he isn't right?

[TenChiMato]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen
The Manchukuo garrison rule has nothing to do with HQ assignments, every Japanese unit located in the NW Control Zone counts for the garrison requirement.

OK I thought someone tested this way back when and found out units can march all the way to India and nothing happens. It’s the HQ assignment that counts, not where the unit is physically located. Perhaps a patch had fixed this issue and I am simply unaware.

Jim

I also remember this Jim...are you guys sure he isn't right?

Nope, there is a clearly defined box : see this thread and the answer of jwilkerson about this long debated subject ....
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1625080

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Nemo121

Consolidate, withdraw to a defensible line and build up your defences. Supply in China is the key. it is no point having numbers if you cannot supply those numbers.

In my game against Jagdfluger I'm just about holding Changsha against 4,500 AV despite the fact that my Chinese armies at Changsha number only about 3,000 AV. Supply, not numbers is the key in China.

The problem is that i do not have anything to consolidate. I have some 6000 AVs (badly distrupted and almost out of supplies) trapped between Luichow and Hangchow...and barely nothing in the Kwajang-Tuyung sector...
He has nearly 13,000 AVs closing the two jaws...plus some 400 bombers, 100 zeros and 200 oscar/nates... against a non-exhistent chinese air force...

PzB is right...imho....better to start to think about Russia and a strategy to defend it against 20,000 (at least) AVs he can bring there

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: TenChiMato

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns




OK I thought someone tested this way back when and found out units can march all the way to India and nothing happens. It’s the HQ assignment that counts, not where the unit is physically located. Perhaps a patch had fixed this issue and I am simply unaware.

Jim

I also remember this Jim...are you guys sure he isn't right?

Nope, there is a clearly defined box : see this thread and the answer of jwilkerson about this long debated subject ....
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=1625080

That's a good news![:)]

[Kereguelen]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner



That's a good news![:)]

You're certainly always looking on the bright side of life[;)].

If he does not keep the Manchukuo Garrison Requirement there is only a small chance that the Soviets will activate (failing the requirement does not guarantee Soviet activation).

But you're already facing two Kwantung Army divisions (+ lots of artillery and combat engineer regiments) in China and you'll have to deal with this small problem now

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Kereguelen

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner



That's a good news![:)]

You're certainly always looking on the bright side of life[;)].

If he does not keep the Manchukuo Garrison Requirement there is only a small chance that the Soviets will activate (failing the requirement does not guarantee Soviet activation).

But you're already facing two Kwantung Army divisions (+ lots of artillery and combat engineer regiments) in China and you'll have to deal with this small problem now

I've also spotted many Manchurian Cav divisions in the north of China...i bet he's keeping the AV requirements on the edge...
However it doesn't make much more difference at this stage.
I have to gain time. Delay him.
...and push forward in the Pacific!
With Karachi pretty safe for the time being i have to focus on the pacific issue now.
First target is to put Truk under pressure and make him feel unconfortable in the pacific...he has to worry about his souther perimeter!!

[ny59giants]

Are you still too thin to consider taking back Timor and make a push to threaten the SRA region??  Truk is nice, but it is more a tactical target vs. a strategic one. If his Oil and Resources are threatened, it seems he would have to react.

[witpqs]

Instead of attacking in Northern China, launch a series of aggressive diversions there...

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

Are you still too thin to consider taking back Timor and make a push to threaten the SRA region??  Truk is nice, but it is more a tactical target vs. a strategic one. If his Oil and Resources are threatened, it seems he would have to react.

No, we don't have enough forces to go in force for Timor right now...the pacific is sucking all of our troops and resources right now...

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

Instead of attacking in Northern China, launch a series of aggressive diversions there...

Gotta save my supplies now. He's well dig in in the north however and i'd need a LOT of corps and a LOT of supplies even for "aggressive diversions"....
No,i'll get back and fortify Sian and Yenan area...and hope, hope and hope[;)]

[Gen.Hoepner]

Ok, here's the situation....horrible to say the least!!
At Liuchow i have 650 AVs...badly shaped and badly supplied. He has 18 units arriving there from Whocow, while more 500 AVs of mine are trying to reach it in order to try to save my day and keep a door open for the rest of my army trapped at Hangchow...
At Changsha he has more 40 units...and the tanks are already at Hangchow...i'll try to make a part of my army (4500 AVs) at Hangchow exit from the hex NE of Hangchow..in order to take the northern route towards Chungking...but we all now that the hopes are very little against these odds...he marches quicker than me...no doubts about that. In these conditions i cannot hope to hold any of his attacks...so the pocket is closing...with the whole central and southern chinese armies in....[:(]

Say a prayer for all those chinese...

[Gen.Hoepner]

...meanwhile in the Pacific...
 
...3 BBs(the fastest ones -22 knots-), 4 hexes east of Eniwetok, have recieved orders to assemble a Bombardment TFs, along with 4DDs, and will attempt to break Ponape's defences. The Fast transport TF is loading up the First Marine Regiment of the 2nd USMC Div at Eniwetok, while a fast AP (22 knots) is loading the raiders Bn.
The 4 CVs, along with 5 more BBs and most of my pacific surface fleet will be at Eniwetok in 2 days.
He has reinforced Truk with 100 fighters, 200 bombers and some 264 aux planes...will be a bloody mess!!!
32 C-47s are ready to be transfered at Eniwetok. As soon as Ponape will be conquered we'll move in by transport planes a lot of Engeneers and base forces.
Now i badly need to open a theatre that can significantly draw some of his attentions and forces from the continent.....problem here is that to conduct an offensive operation i badly need escorting fighters...and the only fighters with enough legs to get from Ponape to Truk are the F-38Fs....but i get only 20 of them each month...[:(]
Anyway...with an allied base at 6 hexes from his main pacific redout, he will be having some bad headhaces...i hope...the threat of my BBs very close to him...some 400 bombers, higly experienced...4 U.S. CVs...this all should force him to drive his attention here...

[Gen.Hoepner]

...And now Russia.
Let's say that the Chinese campaign will be over within the next 2/4 months.
Let's assume that he can bring to Russia...mmm...10,000 AV...plus those 8000 that he already has there.
Will Russia be able to hold 18,000 AVs? In mid 42?...Forts and infrastructures in Russia are building since the first day, and the air force has seen a good developing of new machines (The Mig-3 is now equipped in many more units, along with the LaaG-3 and the Yak-1)....but we've seen what he can master in a single theatre...and the Whole KB could be supporting his operations in Russia...gotta start a brand new plan for the defence of Russia...will try to look for the old plan i've made in the first pages of this aar...

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

...And now Russia.
Let's say that the Chinese campaign will be over within the next 2/4 months.
Let's assume that he can bring to Russia...mmm...10,000 AV...plus those 8000 that he already has there.
Will Russia be able to hold 18,000 AVs? In mid 42?...Forts and infrastructures in Russia are building since the first day, and the air force has seen a good developing of new machines (The Mig-3 is now equipped in many more units, along with the LaaG-3 and the Yak-1)....but we've seen what he can master in a single theatre...and the Whole KB could be supporting his operations in Russia...gotta start a brand new plan for the defence of Russia...will try to look for the old plan i've made in the first pages of this aar...

I doubt that Russia would hold against 18.000 av but I´m not familar with CHS. The biggest problem for you will be the fact that his first strike will totally ruin your airforce as they are not on cap but training. So in fact you probably will lose most of those Migs, Lags and Yaks. If he´s able to take out most of the airfields on the first day (wouldn´t be surprising with 5 or 6 big raids coupled with a nav bombardment of Vladivostok) then most of your first line fighters will show up in the aircraft loss list. I made once the experience that it would have been better to field hundreds of I-16s that can be destroyed by the first huge Japanese wave and after having Russia activated, move the squadrons out and upgrade them somewhere in the North.

Supply is always a problem for the Russians. I wonder if there´s some error of the supply vanishing as it seems there´s far too less, even though that there are a lot of HI and ressource centers. Or the Russian just eat up most of the supplies. In the long run, I doubt you could hold Russia if he really brings most of his Chinese troops (wouldn´t be surprising...)

[Gen.Hoepner]

No, afaik you need first to activate the russians,moving in the "famous" hex...then you can attack the AFs...not before!
And i already moved back most of my major fighting force. In safer AFs...At Vladivostok remain only 150 fighters.
 
My planes won't be caught on the ground...