RIDERS ON THE STORM-THANK YOU

[hades1001]

And look at the AAR again, I believe he put all his CV/CVL together, that's where the extra 100 Zeros comes from.

[castor troy]

How can there be 311 carrier based Zeroes? It´s May 42 [&:]

[TenChiMato]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner
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Day Air attack on TF at 74,79

Japanese aircraft
A6M2 Zero x 103 *100 zeros on escorts????...what the ****...he had 250 fighters on CAP over the KB...how can he have all those escorts???*
D3A2 Val x 29
B5N2 Kate x 146

Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 18
F4F-4 Wildcat x 50
P-38F Lightning x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M2 Zero: 49 destroyed, 5 damaged
D3A2 Val: 4 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 14 destroyed, 82 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-3 Wildcat: 3 destroyed, 1 damaged
F4F-4 Wildcat: 24 destroyed, 2 damaged
P-38F Lightning: 17 destroyed

Allied Ships
CV Lexington, Bomb hits 11, Torpedo hits 8, on fire, heavy damage
CV Yorktown, Torpedo hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CA Chicago
CL Helena, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
CA New Orleans
CL St. Louis, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
DD Porter

more than likely max LRCAP from every single fighter Daitai he had at Truk which explained why you didnt face scores of Betttys and Nells on naval attack during this turn. No escort for them so he most certainly kept them grounded or on naval search only to ensure KB max effectiveness; perhaps some CVE with fighter units on max CAP as well though I doubt that, not enough speed and some were damaged in India.


Id bet that he will reverse this tactic on next turn: retreat the KB close to Truk to replenish his not so depleted squadrons and let all his massively escorted LBs finish your TFs on next turn. No sense in risking a lucky hit on his CV by one your army bombers when his land based planes can do the job.

[hades1001]

It's land based zeros. Carrier capable.

[Fishbed]

...mmmm...well guys...what can i say?...we've lost the initiative also in the pacific for another year (at least).
My mistake, his skills...really don't know...probably both of them...
Today everything went wrong.

What can I say Gen.? Well best feelings to you and your boys - but as I said earlier you really didn't need those CVs for this ops, I still don't understand why you wanted to engage them so much. You know about the usual early war allied SNAFU...

[Andy Mac]

I am the master of under preparation but it feels like you over prepared this one and it should have been an FT or Barge led invasion by an RCT or two.
 
Sorry but it was kind of predictable that you were coming in and you even suspected KB was waiting
 
I did the same against Pauk and also suffered when my carriers reacted - bad luck killed you but IMO this was the time to be opportunisitc and try and grab it via a raid...
 
 
 

[Andy Mac]

p.s. lack of co ordination penalty applies above 150 in 42 for the allies so 2 carriers per TF gives a 30% chance for each TF to be unco ordianted.

[Fishbed]

it should have been an FT or Barge led invasion by an RCT or two.

sure thing, I share that view...

I don't understand the situation though, GH told us that "My 4CVs are grouped in single CVTFs."

Why did they end up getting grouped together...? [&:]

[Nomad]

Look at how few Vals flew. Looks like he transfered off most of his Vals and replaced them with Zeros.

[aztez]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Look at how few Vals flew. Looks like he transfered off most of his Vals and replaced them with Zeros.

Ditto. I think this assumptions is most likely to be correct. Those extra fighters just were not coming from landbased airfields.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Look at how few Vals flew. Looks like he transfered off most of his Vals and replaced them with Zeros.

mhm, I´ve overseen the obvious... and I´m not surprised...

[Nomad]

It is not something I would do, but I have heard of it before. Since the big killers are Kates, having more Zeros for Cap and Escort is a bonus. He might have moved on an extra Kate unit or two also.

[1275psi]

Commiserations mate
Keep the chin up
Ive already lost 5 cvs against robert lee -and its only 5/42 -its going to be the long haul for you now in this game

[mdiehl]

It's quite typical for US CV's to behave like this in 42, think it's a curse

It's actually more an egregious flaw in the game design. One of several illustrated by the one single post.

1. USN naval aviation and strike coordination is still substantially underrated.

2. Long lance propensity to score hits is still substantially overrated.

3. Japan couldn't have put 200 Zeroes into any single airbase on the map, not even in Japan, because of the logistical tasks, and would not have, because of the risks of putting so many eggs in a single basket.

4. CV reacting with a reaction range of "0" is a hardcoded trap that encourages Allied players to avoid using CVs aggressively until an overwhelming numerical supremacy can be achieved.

I too, find the sudden appearance of several hundred Zeroes and counterstrike capability in a hex far removed from the main arena of contention, and where Hoepner had given no indication of preparation for attack, to be, well an interesting coincidence. Perhaps there is after all a special Japanese Intel function being exercised here.

[1275psi]

Mdiehl
In the past I've often expressed disa greement with you -but on this occasion you have expressed very, very well with your last comment certain similar thoughts going through my mind.

This message should be read by only one person in the negative way[8|]

[TenChiMato]

ORIGINAL: mdiehl

I too, find the sudden appearance of several hundred Zeroes and counterstrike capability in a hex far removed from the main arena of contention, and where Hoepner had given no indication of preparation for attack, to be, well an interesting coincidence. Perhaps there is after all a special Japanese Intel function being exercised here.

its indeed troublesome but at the same time GH certainly had given quite a few clues regarding his next possible target by starting a bombing campaign against Ponape. Now, even without that a mass concentration of the KB+IJN air reserves at Truk to counter any follow-up strike in Central Pacific after the assault on the Marshalls was a logical move and well in Trollelite style of play from what we have seen so far.

[Jim D Burns]

Deleted.

Jim

[Andy Mac]

IMO thats good play I think the bombing campaign gave it away

[hades1001]

Shame on someone here in this thread.
 
I knew where troll's KB is because I'm following both sides movements. And I tried to warn G.H. by a indirect way.(I can't do more because it woulb unfair for troll). You guys can check the last several posts written by me.
 
And the attack of G.H. is going in such a noisy way and so obvious that any experienced IJ player will notice it. It is common sense that send in the KB to stop the Allies.
 
Anyone said this mission should be kept more sneaky, they are right.
Anyone doubt about troll's dishonesty, shame on you, your vicious voice will do nothing good but ruin this interesting AAR.
 
Again, shame on you know whom!
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: hades1001
And I tried to warn G.H. by a indirect way

Well if that's true, then shame on you. I personally refrain from reading the opposing thread because I want to discuss strategy here. If you're going to give advice whether directly or indirectly due to what you've read elsewhere then it's wrong pure and simple no matter how you phrase that advice.

But I agree with you on your main point and I for one am deleting my post. Me and others piling on does not help anything and only leads to bad feelings, so I take your point to heart. I think everyone should delete their posts concerning the question raised.

Jim