RIDERS ON THE STORM-THANK YOU

[Gen.Hoepner]

The 100 B-17 exp at Eniwetok is between 68 and 75. But i think only 40 of them will be operable tomorrow.
Then i have 200 2Es (B-26,B25 and Beauforts) between 65 and 70. Not bad...that's also why the results displeased me so much...
Tomorrow i'll move in from Maloleap more 100 fighters ...this will make a total force of 200 fighters at Eniwetok.
Gonna make some calculations...however i think he can move at full speed...how many? 8 hexes?...so i think i can run safe my CVs and BBs east of Eniwetok...he can come in...but the risk woulb be quite high for him...

[Nomad]

Depending on what CV/CVL/CVEs he is bringing, he may be able to move 10, so plan on that being a possibility.

And I agree with Pauk, if you have concrete proof of something, present it. But, no inuendos.

I'll get off my soap box now.

Time to trap the trapper General.

[Andy Mac]

I agree this game is gonna be fun lets not end it prematurely.

ORIGINAL: pauk



guys, please calm down. If you want to comment AAR i suggest reading only one part of the AAR (where you are posting your thoughts, advices and that stuff).

Both "sides" here risks with "killing the players fun and enjoyment". Trust me i know what i'm talking.

You really all should refrain posting stuff like this (he is cheating, he is gamey opponent etc). Sooner or latter you will found yourselves in similar situations you will change your minds (like our very special PzjHortlund - he is actually now considering gamey ground training - which was in his eyes very gamey[:'(], until it is not his game[:D])

If GH and Trollelite have issues they will solve them directly. I'm reading both sides of AAR and not commenting anything. Please, lets focus on the game[:)]

[anarchyintheuk]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

As far as I know, CAP is not affected by coordination penalities.

Sorry, I wasn't clear. Was referring to the 'lrcap being only 1/4 effective when capping a cvtf' penalty not any coordination issue. If you have your cvtf follow a sctf, you simply place your lrcap on the sctf and it is fully effective, not subject to the 1/4 penalty if flown over a cvtf. Like I said, it's weasily or weasel-like, but effective.

It's been about a while since I've played, so I may be more confused than I normally am.

[hades1001]

brand new KB should be able to move 12 hexes a day but this is  May 42, it would be some system damage, so let's 10 hex most, and usually something would happen and your fleet just wouldn't go that far.

[Nomad]

WHATEVER

[veji1]

If you put Full Speed and take the Kaga out then you can do 12.

[VSWG]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

If you can hold out similar to how you'll hold out at Karachi, then the Russian units will upgrade to Corps someday and you can launch a massive counter-attack.

Sadly, the game engine will move the units back to their original location on the map after upgrading them to corps.

ORIGINAL: treespider

What gets interesting is... no matter where or what the unit in slot 2164 is... it gets replaced with the 2nd Rifle corps and gets moved to Borzya. It maintains the planning of the previous unit.... as well as the TO&E of the previous unit...I suspect the same will be true for all of the upgrades... however they don't all go to Borzya some get moved to other locations.

tm.asp?m=1105280

IMO retreating north isn't an option, I would fight it out in the south.

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: veji1

If you put Full Speed and take the Kaga out then you can do 12.

Well if you look at my AAR where I lost the Yorktown, I had a 6/6 movement display on a full speed run and my CV's only moved 9 hexes. Someone then said that task forces NEVER move the full speed displayed on a full speed run unless they are returning to base. I'd assume he can make the move, but at the same time assume you cannot make the moves your side displays. That way you assume the worst and there are no surprises. [;)]

Here's the thread:

tm.asp?m=1582758&mpage=5 (post 148)

Jim

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: VSWG
IMO retreating north isn't an option, I would fight it out in the south.

Well if he fights in the south he’s within range of lots of Japanese air bases and naval bombardments. His supply won’t last long under those circumstances and most of his new supply comes from the north which will be quickly isolated if he doesn’t protect it with everything he’s got.

Holding out in the south for 6 months (if that long) doesn’t help him since his counter-attacks to retake India and the Mariana’s and PI’s won’t occur until 1944 now due to the recently lost CV’s. He gets no additional CV’s except the Essex in 1943 and 5 CV’s isn’t enough to counter an intact KB, so he can’t attack in earnest till 1944.

Russia will be long gone by then if he fights in the south and all that Japanese land power will then be out in the Pacific.

He needs to keep as much land power as possible tied down in Russia and India if he hopes to have any chance at all in the Pacific. Otherwise every island in the Pacific will look like Pauk’s Mariana’s defense against Andy and as we all saw it’s impossible to win against so much power on an island.

Nope he needs to keep Russia alive and the north is the only area he has any hope of supplies lasting him through 1944. Nothing at all of any strategic importance is gained by fighting in the south except his destruction in detail as he’ll be facing 25,000+ AV and his units will be scattered and easily overcome.

Jim

[Gen.Hoepner]

Turn arrived.
We decided to split our fleet in 3 different groups.
2 BBs, 5 CAs, 20 DDs and some 40 different ships (MWS, APs, AKs, MSWs etc) will move to Eniwetok.
6 BBs and 15 DDs will move at full speed towards Wake Island.
2 CVs, with their groups and one strong surface TF (CAs,CLs and DDs in it) will move at full speed SOuth East towards Maloealap.

Eniwetok reinforced with 200 fighters and 300 bombers.
Maloealap and Wotje have a grand total of 240 planes in them (fighters, fighter bombers and bombers).
Subs dispacted in order to interdict his possible advance with the KB eastwards.

Losses of yesterday have been terrible.
We lost nearly 260 planes, 2 CVs, 1 BB, 1 CL and got one CL badly damaged.
He lost 150 planes of the KB, 3 subs and nothing more...

Let's keep the fingers crossed guys...Wasp is arriving in 20 days...Saratoga is repairing at SF...36 sys now...

At Aden we have now 3 CVs,1 CVLs and several surface ships.
Seafires are starting to appear....

Karachi is down to 266,000 supplies...

[Gen.Hoepner]

In China our plans are scrumbled again...our armies are now stopped by a "lucky defeat" of his paras...those bastards, being pushed back after a useless drop, moved to the woods NE of Liuchow, thus stopping our march...[:@]...

The pocket is almost closed...

[mlees]

Task forces may not move the full 12 hexes if DD escorts have to have their fuel topped off (unlikely as he probably fully fueled at Truk), or if the CV's have to do CAP operations. (I am not sure how much CAP will slow a TF, but it can...)

EDIT: Your right about the dissapointing performance of your LBA. I would have expected better from those experience levels. Was it weather?

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: mlees

Task forces may not move the full 12 hexes if DD escorts have to have their fuel topped off (unlikely as he probably fully fueled at Truk), or if the CV's have to do CAP operations. (I am not sure how much CAP will slow a TF, but it can...)

EDIT: Your right about the dissapointing performance of your LBA. I would have expected better from those experience levels. Was it weather?

Weather was perfect all over Eniwetok...i'm sure of that.

Let's see if tomorrow i'll be a bit luckier

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

In China our plans are scrumbled again...our armies are now stopped by a "lucky defeat" of his paras...those bastards, being pushed back after a useless drop, moved to the woods NE of Liuchow, thus stopping our march...[:@]...

The pocket is almost closed...

Hopefully in AE this sort of thing will no longer happen....the paras won't have a place to retreat to since they will not control any of the hexes hexsides and will be stuck in the hex pending their destruction....but alas that is for AE and does not help you here.

[Alfred]

I have only recently discovered this AAR and have only sped read though to this point.  One of several things which intrigue me is how is it that Japan can afford to maintain such large armies continuously on the offensive in China?  I have never played CHS but I thought supply was reasonably limited in China.  Shouldn't supply become more scarce the more the Japanese advance into the interior away from the ports.  Is there a reason why the Allies are not conducting a scorched earth policy of striking at enemy resource centres?
 
Alfred

[ny59giants]

In CHS, as an Allied player, I can tell you that unless you have at least the Burma Road open (500 supply/day) and/or still have Ledo to use you massive transport armada to fly over the Hump, the daily bombing runs will dry up your supply very quickly. Since GH doen't have either, his LCUs will be hurting for a long time to come (if he survives in China). [;)] 

[dekwik]

Just been catching up. Great AAR General. Everybody can make up their own minds on what's going on in terms of fairness, and those posts might make an interesting thread. But as you say, not here. "Keepin' it classy."
Troll's a good player but you're better.

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

I have only recently discovered this AAR and have only sped read though to this point.  One of several things which intrigue me is how is it that Japan can afford to maintain such large armies continuously on the offensive in China?  I have never played CHS but I thought supply was reasonably limited in China.  Shouldn't supply become more scarce the more the Japanese advance into the interior away from the ports.  Is there a reason why the Allies are not conducting a scorched earth policy of striking at enemy resource centres?

Alfred

CHS suffers from the same problem all/most mods suffer from. 95% of the changes benefit Japan because they reduce allied power. Not to say that the changes weren’t needed, it’s just that it is far easier to mod the allies due to the preponderance of English sources available to modders.

So almost all the changes limit the allies in some way shape or form and China was no different than the rest of the changes. They made no attempt at all to try and model Japan’s difficulties in keeping the front supplied, so the net effect is China became weaker in game, even though they have a bigger army.

They failed to account for the increased supply cost of that army (especially when in combat or when being bombed), so China’s overall supply situation is worse than stock. Sure the resource centers can no longer be bombed, but China is still far too short in total supplies produced and when one or two major cities go down they’re completely screwed. CHS made China too fragile.

I think Japan should have to keep a fixed brigade in every rail line hex in China. That would model the difficulties they had in getting supplies to the front. Japan had to keep about 2/3rds of its army in China busy guarding the supply net. In game they only need to keep about 1/10th on garrison.

Unfortunately AE appears to be going through a similar mod experience. Most changes are geared towards reducing allied power to historical levels and little or no changes are geared towards reducing the Japanese to those same strict historical guidelines.

Jim

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Jim D Burns

Unfortunately AE appears to be going through a similar mod experience. Most changes are geared towards reducing allied power to historical levels and little or no changes are geared towards reducing the Japanese to those same strict historical guidelines.

Jim

Disagree here, Jim. They mentioned quite a bit of restructuring of Japanese forces in China. We'll have to see what it yields.


General,

Sorry about the ambush, I was really afraid of that. I'm with you - it really was the obvious move for Japan. Just too bad he pulled it off so one sided for the results! [:(]

Looking on the bright side, just having what you have now gives you a good base for aerial attrition with naval threats in addition as time goes on. And you got perhaps 150 KB pilots on one day! [:)]

Remember what John Paul Jones said when the opposing captain asked if he had struck his colors (when the flag was shot away):

"I have not yet begun to fight!"