RIDERS ON THE STORM-THANK YOU

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: mlees

Task forces may not move the full 12 hexes if DD escorts have to have their fuel topped off (unlikely as he probably fully fueled at Truk), or if the CV's have to do CAP operations. (I am not sure how much CAP will slow a TF, but it can...)

EDIT: Your right about the dissapointing performance of your LBA. I would have expected better from those experience levels. Was it weather?

I have never seen CAP using up op points, never.[&:]

[Alfred]

Jim D Burns,
 
If I understood you right, in scenario #160 there are no resource centres in China for either side?  If so, presumably that means certain cities get auto supply.  Is there heavy industry in China to generate supply, or is that also not present?
 
Alfred

[Jim D Burns]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

Jim D Burns,

If I understood you right, in scenario #160 there are no resource centres in China for either side?  If so, presumably that means certain cities get auto supply.  Is there heavy industry in China to generate supply, or is that also not present?

Alfred

Here’s everything you could want to know about the changes to China. As you can see, basic supply consumption (77032) is more than leftovers (72968). So if you double consumption simply due to air bombardments, you’re already running a deficit. Then factor in airforce costs, construction, rebuilding losses, etc. and China is in real trouble.

http://www.bur.st/~akbrown/witp/CHS_doc ... China.html

I should note, they factor in the Burma Road to their calculations, even though in most games it’s closed for 80% of the game. Also Urumchi's supply does not move into China.

This should probably move to a new thread in the main forum if you want to discuss China further. Don't want to hyjack G.H.'s thread any more than it has been.

Jim

[Gen.Hoepner]

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/10/42
 
Just got the reply guys...i'm at work and cannot play and last night it was a horrible night, with fever, chills and nightmares...
 
However luckly enough our fleet wasn't chased down by the KB.
He deployed, all of a sudden something like 15 subs around Eniwetok and Ponape...
KB moved 2 hexes back, now stationing 3 hexes NW of Ponape, surely LRCAPping Ponape too...he was waiting for me...i gotta say that i was tempted to go forward and send the invasion force ahead...luckly i was wiser[:D]
 
Anyway, the plan now for the pacific is the following.
We'll slow down the operations at Eniwetok. The CVs will get back to PH, along with 4 BBs and the bulk of our surface fleet. As soon as the KB will move back we'll start again the bombing campaign at Ponape.
At the same time we'll move a lot of empty ships to Wake Isl. A couple of DMS and MSWs for sure.
CVE long Island will move to Wake too, with 10 DDs and 1 CL. In a week we'll start to recon heavily Marcus Isl.
The fast DMSs will move up and down from Wake to Marcus, clearing mines there.
The CVE will get closer, being very carefull to be clearly spotted by his Emilies at Marcus.
Wanna simulate an invasion there. Maybe some B-17s will be moved to wake in order to conduct some bombing runs on Marcus. He will be forced to protect 2 bases so.
As soon as we decide that the decoy mission as been acceptably shown as serious, we'll land at Ponape. No CVs on escort this time. Just a fast transport. A raid.
At the same time, considering that at the moment Ponape is the furthest place i can go with these forces, i'll divert some units to SOPAC. 1 Division, 3 base forces, 4 EAB units and some air units will be moved to PM and Darwin.
More units will follow. Time to start new fronts.
...however Ponape remains a MUST!
 
In China we managed to save 2300 AVs from Liuchow...which will be conquered tomorrow (his reinforced arrived!) and so the pocket will be closed on this side.
Supplies are absolutely a problem. At Chungking we don't even have the supplies to draw some planes to my groups...it's terrible. Won't last long under these conditions...
 
 
I'll add the boring combat txt of the chinese air offensive just to let you understand what my guys are facing....
 
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Day Air attack on Hengchow , at 44,37
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 6
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 2
Ki-48-I Lily x 69
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
90 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 40
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 9 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 7 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Liuchow , at 41,37
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-15 Babs x 3
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-15 Babs: 1 damaged
 
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-I Lily x 24
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-48-I Lily: 7 damaged
 
Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 3
 
Aircraft Attacking:
12 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 22000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 22000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 22000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 22000 feet
 3 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 22000 feet
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Day Air attack on 31st Chinese Corps, at 41,36
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 12
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
35 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 45,36
 
Japanese aircraft
B5N2 Kate x 13
Ki-43-Ib Oscar x 10
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 3
Ki-32 Mary x 39
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
40 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
 9 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 6000 feet
12 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 6000 feet
 7 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
 7 x Ki-32 Mary bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 38th Chinese Corps, at 45,36
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 44
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
11 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 29th Chinese Corps, at 41,37
 
Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 20
B5N2 Kate x 11
Ki-30 Ann x 20
 
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 1 destroyed, 5 damaged
B5N2 Kate: 1 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 2 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
97 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
19 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
11 x B5N2 Kate bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 78th Chinese Corps, at 42,37
 
Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 14
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
14 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 78th Chinese Corps, at 42,37
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-48-I Lily x 11
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x Ki-48-I Lily bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 18th Art Regt Field Artillery Regiment, at 43,37
 
Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 11
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
54 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 3rd Chinese Air Base Force, at 44,35
 
Japanese aircraft
G4M1 Betty x 17
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
11 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x G4M1 Betty bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 11th Chinese Air Base Force, at 41,36
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 8
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
81 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 22nd Chinese/A Corps, at 51,28
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-30 Ann x 24
Ki-51 Sonia x 10
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
10 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 72nd Chinese/C Corps, at 46,35
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-51 Sonia x 6
 
No Japanese losses
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 6 x Ki-51 Sonia bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 9th Prov Chinese/A Corps, at 45,36
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 26
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
43 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 2 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 53rd Chinese/C Corps, at 45,36
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 32
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 7 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 5 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 4 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on 65th Chinese/A Corps, at 41,36
 
Japanese aircraft
D3A2 Val x 129
Ki-30 Ann x 30
 
Japanese aircraft losses
D3A2 Val: 15 damaged
Ki-30 Ann: 2 destroyed, 2 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
248 casualties reported
Guns lost 3
 
Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
 4 x Ki-30 Ann bombing at 2000 feet
28 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
22 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
22 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
23 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
17 x D3A2 Val bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on 60th Chinese/B Corps, at 44,39
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-27 Nate x 7
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
Allied ground losses:
8 casualties reported
 
Aircraft Attacking:
 7 x Ki-27 Nate bombing at 2000 feet
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Japanese aircraft
Ki-21-II Sally x 81
Ki-49 Helen x 25
Ki-46-II Dinah x 1
 
Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-21-II Sally: 8 damaged
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged
 
 
Allied ground losses:
151 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
 
Airbase hits 10
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 51
 
Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 13000 feet
 9 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 8 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
10 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
11 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 13000 feet
 8 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 4 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
 3 x Ki-21-II Sally bombing at 13000 feet
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Day Air attack on Liuchow , at 41,37
 
Japanese aircraft
Ki-15 Babs x 1
 
No Japanese losses
 
 
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Ground combat at Liuchow
 
Japanese Bombardment attack
 
Attacking force 21382 troops, 113 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1408
 
Defending force 15208 troops, 47 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 337* this is the static unit*
 
 
 
Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
 
 
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Ground combat at Kweilin
*another useless para-drop*....[8|]
 
Japanese Shock attack
 
Attacking force 305 troops, 2 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 14
 
Defending force 72963 troops, 335 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1838
 
Japanese max assault: 20 - adjusted assault: 0
 
Allied max defense: 1799 - adjusted defense: 1251
 
Japanese assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 3)
 
 
Japanese ground losses:
141 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
 

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Alfred

I have only recently discovered this AAR and have only sped read though to this point.  One of several things which intrigue me is how is it that Japan can afford to maintain such large armies continuously on the offensive in China?  I have never played CHS but I thought supply was reasonably limited in China.  Shouldn't supply become more scarce the more the Japanese advance into the interior away from the ports.  Is there a reason why the Allies are not conducting a scorched earth policy of striking at enemy resource centres?

Alfred

First we have strict house rules about strategic bombings.
Second i barely have the supplies needed to feed one man out of four...not even to think about a bombing campaign...also because he has hundreds of fighters in China and all my major AFs are closed by his bombers...

[cantona2]

ORIGINAL: Gen.Hoepner

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/10/42

Just got the reply guys...i'm at work and cannot play and last night it was a horrible night, with fever, chills and nightmares...

Caused by my subs maybe [:D]

[Bearcat2]

I think it's time for the "speech"[:)]
 
" we shall fight on the seas and oceans, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our Island, whatever the cost may be, we shall fight on the beaches, we shall fight on the landing grounds, we shall fight in the fields and in the streets, we shall fight in the hills; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, this Island or a large part of it were subjugated and starving, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God's good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of the old."

[Fishbed]

GH, why don't you go for the barge option? Andy talked about it. I did. You don't need to commit the whole Pacfleet to that... Just send a lot of barges and some AKs with a light defensive screen patrolling the hex. He doesn't exactly have 400 hundred guns there, does he? This, you can afford, while you keep that airfield closed...

You could even bombard the place with DDs... And God knows how many DDs you're gonna receive before the end of the war...

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

GH, why don't you go for the barge option? Andy talked about it. I did. You don't need to commit the whole Pacfleet to that... Just send a lot of barges and some AKs with a light defensive screen patrolling the hex. He doesn't exactly have 400 hundred guns there, does he? This, you can afford, while you keep that airfield closed...

You could even bombard the place with DDs... And God knows how many DDs you're gonna receive before the end of the war...

I just have 2 barges...simply impossible at the moment

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/11-12/42

KB has retourned to Truk...waiting.
We started to recon Marcus...just to give him some more things to think about...
Tomorrow the bombing of Ponape will start back again. Let's see for how long he'll keep the KB at Truk....
Lost 2 subs near Truk due to the Kates and Vals' attacks....had to get back to Eniwetok with my sub patrols...for the moment!


I've come up with a new risky operation...code-name "Babylon"
I've seen that from the actual bases he has in India he cannot escort his betties with his zeros if i stay just close to the edge of the Map...so i'll try to move down to Oz 3 AIF divisions from Aden, escorted by 3 CVs, 1 CVLs and 5 BBs...need to open the front at Darwin and this is the only way to get some extra troops and ships...those units however won't be doing anything up there for a LONG time.... As long as his CVs are in the pacific i can risk the unescorted betties raid with seafires and hurricanes in CAP...
I still have some time to think about it....however i find it feaseble. It will give him some more troubles...and if i manage to get 3 fresh divisions and 200 fresh planes in Northern Oz...well...the front will be open!!

In China...it's a mess! we managed to get 2400 AVs out of the pocket at Liuchow, but at Hengchow he managed to cross the river NW of Changsha before i could get out...now my units are moving on the plain hexes...they will be cut off...but...i couldn' t do anything better so it's ok...



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Ground combat at 45,36 *NW of Changsha*

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 165063 troops, 772 guns, 240 vehicles, Assault Value = 3700

Defending force 18723 troops, 89 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 593

Japanese max assault: 4108 - adjusted assault: 4084

Allied max defense: 460 - adjusted defense: 30

Japanese assault odds: 136 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
1292 casualties reported
Guns lost 14
Vehicles lost 5

Allied ground losses:
1964 casualties reported
Guns lost 42


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!

[witpqs]

If he gets a good look at the TF's then KB might react and seek to trap them against the 'edge of the world' [I always knew the world was flat!] in the Indian ocean Left of Java.

[Gen.Hoepner]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

If he gets a good look at the TF's then KB might react and seek to trap them against the 'edge of the world' [I always knew the world was flat!] in the Indian ocean Left of Java.

YEs, i know...but actually isn't a plan to do right now...it is something to be done IF, and only IF, the KB is busy defending the pacific!
However i'll try to simulate it...by the end of May i'll try to move out some empty ships from Aden, escorted by my 3 RN CVs+1 CVL and some BBs...keeping the edge of the Aden Channell and see what he does...then i'll go back before the KB can return... This should give him some strong headhaces...seeing the whole RN coming out of Aden!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 05/13/42

Another horrible day in China. His tanks are pushing forward (1hex/day) from Changsha towards Tuyun...the pocket is closed and i barely have 2000 undersupplied AVs to stop those dreaded thanks and at the same time guarding Tsuyung from those 3500 AVs coming from Liuchow...[:o]...really think that China is lost by now...my armies are struggling in the no-roads hexes in order to try to exit from the pocket, while his fast tanks are closing the Gap...
In the north something weird happened...something that really pisses me off.
My units that were at Yanktu have been ordered to march towards Sian.
The path is free, and marked as "A" hex...so to say a non-contested hex.
And what did my units do???? they moved from a contested hex (Yanktu) towards a Japanese Hex (East of Yanktu)!!!!...and now more 700 AVs are cut off!!!
This shouldn't happen...the ZOC code is clear...how is that possible !?!?!??!?!?![:@][:@][:@]

In the pacific, after my first recon flights over Marcus (2 thiny units there...probably a base force and a CD unit), the KB sailed from Truk...moving Northeastwards![:D]...as predicted.... as long as we keep the threat of an allied further advance in the pacific he won't be able to move back to the Indian Ocean his KB...

Now we'll wait untill the KB move a bit further, then we'll attack Ponape again!
My CVE Long Island is moving with a group of Cruisers towards Wake...just to let him think that my ideas for Marcus are sierious enough...already 20 empty transports are showing themselfs at Wake...they've been clearly spotted by his Glens, operating from some subs in the nearby....


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Day Air attack on Ponape , at 73,80


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 8
B-17E Fortress x 61
F-4 Lightning x 4


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
F-4 Lightning: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 27

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Day Air attack on TF, near Karachi at 21,3

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied Ships
AK Jalatarang, Bomb hits 2, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 13000 feet

A lonely transport managed to get to Karachi unseen...he reacted just when we've already unloaded 800 supplies out of 1800....[:D]...not that i need those supplies (Karachi still has 266,000 supplies)...i just wanted to keep him Honest and let him feel unconfortable about the effectiveness of his blockade[;)]

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Day Air attack on Ponape , at 73,80


Allied aircraft
P-40B Tomahawk x 14
A-20B Boston x 15
B-25C Mitchell x 46
B-26B Marauder x 62
F-4 Lightning x 1


No Allied losses

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported

Port hits 2
Port supply hits 3


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Ground combat at 44,35 *His tanks push forward North of Changsha...*[:(]

Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 8832 troops, 6 guns, 236 vehicles, Assault Value = 239

Defending force 11809 troops, 22 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 337

Japanese max assault: 446 - adjusted assault: 508

Allied max defense: 221 - adjusted defense: 9

Japanese assault odds: 56 to 1


Japanese ground losses:
44 casualties reported
Guns lost 1
Vehicles lost 2

Allied ground losses:
443 casualties reported
Guns lost 7


Defeated Allied Units Retreating!


I've ordered to reinforce The Aleutinas with a pair of RCTs and some Engeneers.
At the same time i'm sending the first units from the west coast to Oz...untill now Oz has relied only on its own forces...now it's time to strenghen a bit that theatre.
PM has been resupplied with 35,000 supplies...Seems that at Rabaul there are no Betties nor Zeros for the moment...

[Gen.Hoepner]

KB on the move!

[treespider]

Any chance of sliding a few corps from the Hengchow pocket towards Wuchow to interdict his supply?

------


Although as you say China is likely lost since he already has India and can devote such a large % of his resources towards subduing the dragon.

[Nomad]

I agree with you General, this: In the north something weird happened...something that really pisses me off.
My units that were at Yanktu have been ordered to march towards Sian.
The path is free, and marked as "A" hex...so to say a non-contested hex.
And what did my units do???? they moved from a contested hex (Yanktu) towards a Japanese Hex (East of Yanktu)!!!!...and now more 700 AVs are cut off!!!
This shouldn't happen...the ZOC code is clear...how is that possible !?!?!??!?!?!


I know what is happening, but it shouldn't happen. The path you units are on is the shortest distance, movement point wise, from Yanktu to Sian. The pathing algorithim just ignores ZOC. It is something that started happening a few patches ago and has never been fixed. It is a real pain, I do hope AE fixes this problem.

Here is the real pain - often the unit will indicate that it is moving West and then when it does move, it decides that the closest way is East and moves that way. [&:][:@]

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Here is the real pain - often the unit will indicate that it is moving West and then when it does move, it decides that the closest way is East and moves that way. [&:][:@]

This is one I found and reported a good while back:

- Give a unit movement orders.
- You will see that it takes the destination.
- You will also see that it sets an 'appropriate' direction of current travel. In our example, let's say South. (I say 'appropriate' with quotes to acknowledge that as you say, sometimes the route sucks!)
- Sometime during movement the unit is attacked by enemy LCU(s).
- Examine the unit after said attack, you (in many cases) will see that 1) the destination has remained as you set it, and 2) the direction of current travel will have changed to East! Always East! and 3) the miles traveled will be (apparently) correct.

This problem with the current direction of travel being wrong will be true even if the unit was retreated during said attack! Also be advised that it is not just a display problem as the unit will move to the East when it accumulates 60 miles.

The only good news - if you re-issue the movement orders the current direction of travel will go back to what it 'should' be (was initially) and the miles traveled will be retained! Caution: Just re-issue the orders directly, meaning do not try to 'cancel out' the bad movement by setting unit to defend - only click "Set Destination" and then click on the very same destination again. Only in that way will the unit retain the miles traveled.

[Nomad]

The problem for me is that I really do not have the time or want to have to go back and check every LCU to see if it decided to reverse its travel. But, I will try your suggestion and see what happens, thank you.

[witpqs]

I know, but at least this bug is limited to ones that get smacked up side of the head.

[Nomad]

Then again, what happens if an LCU has travelled 59 miles and get attacked during the turn? Will it change direction? ARGHHHHH.

Sorry General, but I have no idea how to fix your problem. Maybe move them east and attack?

[racndoc]

Hey GH....

sorry to hear about the "dreaded thanks" in China....lol.

Im also having problems with units resetting their movement orders....ie the road my units are following runs SW but inexplicably my units decide to move offroad to the east....you really do need to check the movement orders virtually every turn.....sigh....


Kinda bummed about your carrier battle in the Marshalls....in my stock games 2 years ago I had the same issues...ie my F4Fs would all escort maybe 30-40 TBDs in an airstrike with no hits and then 170 SBDs would enter the "Valley of the shadow of death" with no escorts and be destroyed to the last plane......now I always place all my CVs in single CV TFs and I generally get decent strike missions.....but the main result is.....Ive never lost more than 1 CV by splitting them up. Meanwhile...most of the IJN flight decks get closed and you can annihilate them on subsequent turns. Everyone on the forums talks about torps as ship killers but Ive routinely taken 2 torps in a CV and still had the flight decks open...2 1000 lb bombs on a Jap flight deck and its closed.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Nomad

Then again, what happens if an LCU has travelled 59 miles and get attacked during the turn? Will it change direction? ARGHHHHH.

Sorry General, but I have no idea how to fix your problem. Maybe move them east and attack?

Combat is after movement. So, you will always have a chance to catch it in the next orders phase. It does mean that you must check every LCU with movement orders after they have been attacked.