MWiF Map Review - Russia - Siberia, Manchuria, Korea

[Froonp]

Better ?

[Froonp]

From 2NW of Rashin (Rashin being the most northeastern coastal hex of Korea) a rail-line went due north up the valley (on the map the valley is shown running NE, but try and keep the rail-line as close to north as possible as it heads through the two plain hexes) and continued across the Sungari to end 60km from the border, swinging east a little and then back, on its way.

I don't want to add this one, as I saw that it is not present on all maps. It seems to have been built during the war.
Moreover, the WiF FE map as it is don't have a rail linking the rail out of Korea and the rail in USSR, which means that the Japanese need to control Harbin & Changchun to rail from Russia to Korea. Adding this rail would cut the way to go and remove the need to have Changchun & Harbin. Same for the Russian who wants to go from Vlad to Korea. He need Harbin & Changchun.

[Peter Stauffenberg]

This is what I found out about Alexandrovsk.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexandrovsk-Sakhalinsky

Here you see that the town is located on the west shore of Sakhalin island very close to Due.  Look here too:
http://encarta.msn.com/encnet/features/ ... ckCheck=on

So I think the current location of Alexandrovsk is the correct one.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

Manchukuo:  It is not technically correct to refer to Manchukuo as Manchuria.  Manchukuo consisted of Manchuria plus the Chinese province of Jehol.  I would recommend changing the name to Manchukuo.

The capital of Manchukuo was moved from Harbin to Changchun, which the Japanese then renamed Hsinking.

Those I prefer not to change.

I think I don't want to put Manchukuo instead of Manchuria as the first was the name of the puppet state that nearly no foreign country recognized. Also, my maps also show Manchuria for that period. And most of all, WiF FE has the area like that.

[marcuswatney]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
Moreover, the WiF FE map as it is don't have a rail linking the rail out of Korea and the rail in USSR, which means that the Japanese need to control Harbin & Changchun to rail from Russia to Korea. Adding this rail would cut the way to go and remove the need to have Changchun & Harbin. Same for the Russian who wants to go from Vlad to Korea. He need Harbin & Changchun.

I agree that the importance of Harbin as a rail centre needs to be maintained, but note that the game-map presently shows the crucial junction to be just outside Harbin. At this scale, I think the lines from Vladivostok and Korea need to converge at Harbin itself, for exactly the reason you mention. My 1942 map shows the junction to be only 5km (certainly less than 10km) outside the city, so much less than one hex.

I was mistaken about the capital of Manchuria. In 1932 it was moved not from Harbin but from Mukden to Changchun (renamed Hsinking). Harbin has never been the capital of Manchuria/Manchukuo. Getting the location of the capital of a Minor wrong is a significant error that really ought to be corrected.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
I was mistaken about the capital of Manchuria. In 1932 it was moved not from Harbin but from Mukden to Changchun (renamed Hsinking). Harbin has never been the capital of Manchuria/Manchukuo. Getting the location of the capital of a Minor wrong is a significant error that really ought to be corrected.

I tend to agree. Moreover, Changchun is not that far from Harbin... I wonder about the implications of such a change... (in the game's program I mean).

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney
I was mistaken about the capital of Manchuria. In 1932 it was moved not from Harbin but from Mukden to Changchun (renamed Hsinking). Harbin has never been the capital of Manchuria/Manchukuo. Getting the location of the capital of a Minor wrong is a significant error that really ought to be corrected.

I tend to agree. Moreover, Changchun is not that far from Harbin... I wonder about the implications of such a change... (in the game's program I mean).

None to the code.

[composer99]

If the capital was shifted from Harbin to Changchun, the Harbin MIL (as the MIL for the capital) should be moved as well.
 
While I would grant that the capital should be Changchun, I think for game purposes (for example, it affects how Japan defends vs. USSR attack) it might be best for Harbin to remain the capital, unless ADG says otherwise.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: composer99

If the capital was shifted from Harbin to Changchun, the Harbin MIL (as the MIL for the capital) should be moved as well.

Well, I don't see any mandatory ling between a MIL in a city and a Capital Status. Harbin was a ancient and large city, having a MIL here is OK, whether it is the capital or not.

While I would grant that the capital should be Changchun, I think for game purposes (for example, it affects how Japan defends vs. USSR attack) it might be best for Harbin to remain the capital, unless ADG says otherwise.

I've made the change, but I suspect that even if it is pro Japanese, this will not be enough to defend against the Russians when they have decided to overrun Manchuria. If the people thinks it is bad, it is easy to put it back to Harbin.

[composer99]

I suppose, but there is not, as far as I know, a single minor country in WiF (perhaps except Saudi Arabia) that does not have a MIL unit for its capital city.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: composer99

I suppose, but there is not, as far as I know, a single minor country in WiF (perhaps except Saudi Arabia) that does not have a MIL unit for its capital city.

Well, it is trivial to change the name of the militia unit if we want.

[marcuswatney]

An Explanatory Atlas of the Far East by Hudson and Rajchman (Faber & Faber, 1938, reprinted 1942) shows a rail-line from Khabarovsk to Komsomolsk (and no furher) along the east bank of the river, crossing at Komsomolsk.  I trust this source, as it is one of the few to depict the BAM as merely 'projected' with three large question-marks along its route.  It is the same source that had all the detail of Changkufeng, plus Seichin and Rashin.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: marcuswatney

An Explanatory Atlas of the Far East by Hudson and Rajchman (Faber & Faber, 1938, reprinted 1942) shows a rail-line from Khabarovsk to Komsomolsk (and no furher) along the east bank of the river, crossing at Komsomolsk.  I trust this source, as it is one of the few to depict the BAM as merely 'projected' with three large question-marks along its route.  It is the same source that had all the detail of Changkufeng, plus Seichin and Rashin.

I have that railway on the west bank on my "Look at the world Atlas".
Patrice

[marcuswatney]

Mine is only a sketch map, so I would go with yours.