The 1/11-43 Bug

[vils]

At this date in the old BTR game practically the entire 12th airforce gets extinct exept for some fighter squadrons that cant be attached to any bombergroups in the Italy wartheatre. I wonder just 2 things:

1. Will this be fixed in BTR2?
2. Any workaround for this in original BTR?

Worst about it is that my entire Recon ability is extinct in italy, i think i have some 4 planes left..

Bombs Away!

[wernerpruckner]

1 yes

2 yes [:'(]
there is a way around that one.....( use the right A/Cs )

[Hard Sarge]

been a while on this one

but yes in BTR2 it is fixed

in old BTR, make sure all 12th Fighter units have US plane types

hmmm, I wonder, you explain it different

if, the BGs of the 12th have Med Bombers, they will stay with the 12th, if you changed them to Heavies, then they will go join the 15th when it is formed, the same with the FS/FGs, if they have US plane types, they will join the 15th, if they have CW plane types, they will stay with the 12th

I thought recon was set to join the 15th, but it been a long time, so don't remember offhand how Recon reacted

the two odd units, the A-36s, if you leave them alone, they will upgrade into FGs, but while they had the 36, you could change them for bombers, and then they would remain bombers

[vils]

hmm *taking notes*
 
Thanks for that, looks like i have to restart the war once again then [X(]

[Walloc]

Asking cuz u specificly mentions FGs too.

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge
in old BTR, make sure all 12th Fighter units have US plane types

if, the BGs of the 12th have Med Bombers, they will stay with the 12th, if you changed them to Heavies, then they will go join the 15th when it is formed, the same with the FS/FGs, if they have US plane types, they will join the 15th, if they have CW plane types, they will stay with the 12th

I can get the FS to transition from 12th to 15th, no problems. No of the FGs do abd those are the heavy hitters so i'd rather seem them moving to 15th too.
Yes they have the same planes as the FS, so cant be that.
Playing vanilla, 1.06x5, no updated oobs tho. I cant find it on the net... and harley's site for obvious reasons doesnt provide them any more [:D]

Any advice?

Pic included.

Rasmus

[Hard Sarge]

for the FGs, yes, they are suppost to stick with the 12th, they do not have the option to move to the 15th

the patch we can give out, the OOBs are really JC's, and we do not have the rights to them, or permission, he had stated that he wanted control of who he passed them out to (there were reasons, I do not feel that those reasons are needed now, but, that does not mean we can void what he had said in the past)

[Walloc]

Ok thx for both replies.

[Walloc]

A follow up questions since its been ages since i played last.

For purposes of optimizing. Question of wanting to upgrade the medium bombers to heavies before or not. Do 12th AF ever get released from Avalanche targets and if so when?

I know 15th gets released on first 1st/2nd dec '43.

Kind regards,

Rasmus

[Hard Sarge]

the manatory targetting is based on how much damage is done to the target, do enough damage to the target and you should be freed from it

in old game, there was a bug with the scoreing, a number of the targets in the list, that even though damaged, do not show up as being damaged, so the Overlord and Avalanche, never seem to take enough damage to free the target

(which also hurts, is both have a number of troop units in the list and these add up to alot points for the list's total)

we have fixed and corrected the bug, but I can not really say it can be damaged enough to free the 12th/Med

(most of my tests I am doing/looking for other things, then to spend the time, just plotting Avalanche, it is a lot of work, but should be put on the list to make sure it can be freed)

the 15th, should be pulled in and let go, based on what was going on, I beleive, around the times of the Major Offs, the 15th gets sucked back into Avalanche, and then released shortly afterward

(which, may be a hint, to start hammering the front lines, to help out the Army attacks (they happen, you get reports on them, but you never know in advance when and where the are going to happen)

[Walloc]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

the manatory targetting is based on how much damage is done to the target, do enough damage to the target and you should be freed from it

in old game, there was a bug with the scoreing, a number of the targets in the list, that even though damaged, do not show up as being damaged, so the Overlord and Avalanche, never seem to take enough damage to free the target

(which also hurts, is both have a number of troop units in the list and these add up to alot points for the list's total

Hmm, that undocumented then. I was wondering ig it was so by old manual only mentions freeing up through damage in regards to hitting UFAC to avoid mandatory UPEN attacks, and same idea with V-weapons. Saying nothing to that effect about the political targets.

Just wondering cuz i've started to run out of ports, OILS, and RR to hit in italy below Genoa-Venicia line. Only at 5-6% damage to Avalanche, but have found no point in doing Radar or airfield bombings. I prefere to shoot his planes down! cant do that if they cant fly [:D]
I have done some damage to ground units but its ofc not a whole lot. His supply lines are all read to the alps tho.
Guess i have to start hitting those targets and see what happens.
Still doesnt help in my my question. Do i not convert medium making them stay in the 12AF hoping they get relased so i can convert them later and get the FGs to escort them to real targets.
Or do i pre convert them to heavies for more imidiate bombing power, as releasing 12AF is prolly gona be hard, but ending up with lots real good "useless" FGs tho.

Decisions, decisions.[:)]

Rasmus

[Hard Sarge]

Well

the 15th is going to be large, the extra Groups they could get from the 12th are not really needed

but the 12th, can still be used either with Meds or Heavies to draw fighters to them

you are going to be pretty much stuck with Manatory targetting in the Med

the ground war in the Med is pretty much designed to not be breakable

plus if you have to, there is always the workaround for Manatory targets, plot to a target you are told to attack, and then reassign the primary target (really should fix that, but it is one of the most loved glitches in the game, that it feels wrong to correct it)