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This new stand alone release based on the legendary War in the Pacific from 2 by 3 Games adds significant improvements and changes to enhance game play, improve realism, and increase historical accuracy. With dozens of new features, new art, and engine improvements, War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition brings you the most realistic and immersive WWII Pacific Theater wargame ever!

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I've been running beta test versions of AE and it runs without a hitch on all my machines.  This computer is:

CPU - 1.6 Ghz
RAM - 1 GB
Video RAM - 32 MB

The video card is 2001 vintage.

The thing that is most critical is the RAM.  I have run it fine on a computer with 512 MB, but it performed better when I upgraded the RAM to 1 GB.  I also have my firewall outside the computer, so my computer isn't bogged down with a lot of anti-virus stuff.  With anti-virus stuff running in the background, that will increase the CPU and, to a lesser extent, the RAM needs.

Basically any new computer you buy today will have enough resources to run AE.  Though with Vista, RAM might be tight unless you have a lot of it.  Vista is a major memory hog.

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That's very good to hear. Of course there are all sorts of little tweaks you can also do besides just turning off the anti-virus software - even basic things like not having a pretty picture on your desktop. It all adds up to help improve performance by freeing up RAM.

Given what you've said, I reckon I could get it running on my 2.4 ghz pentium, 256 mb, 32mb gfx card which is stripped of all unnecessary background processes (that is unless you've gone and done that on the machine you are referencing to get it playing).

It would probably be exceptionally slow but I tend to read when the computer processes the turn anyways.

Worth a shot in any case - if I take the good desktop to play a strategy game I think my gf will kill me.


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Why are the AE requirements so high considering that WITP can run on quite primitive systems by comparison (eg CPU < 1 GHz, RAM 256 Mb, video 32 Mb).&nbsp; Is it due to the new 40 mile hexes?
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And if you're using Vista... WHY? Why would you do that?

Yes, I know it. But in Italy if you buy a new laptop you have installed Vista on it. I have seen XP only in old version laptops.

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Why are the AE requirements so high considering that WITP can run on quite primitive systems by comparison (eg CPU < 1 GHz, RAM 256 Mb, video 32 Mb). Is it due to the new 40 mile hexes?

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That's part of it, certainly. The increased size of the database is another one.
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Why are the AE requirements so high considering that WITP can run on quite primitive systems by comparison (eg CPU < 1 GHz, RAM 256 Mb, video 32 Mb). Is it due to the new 40 mile hexes?

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256 MB of RAM might be a bit too little. All the tables (including the map) are larger. To hold all that in memory takes a lot of RAM. I'm pretty sure the game takes up more than 100 MB of RAM, I think it may be over 200 MB. With only 256 MB of RAM, I don't think there is enough room for it and the operating system.

I wasn't on the team when the requirements were put together, but I think there were some concerns that it would require a lot more processor because of all the extra work the game was now doing processing turns. The programmers have done a wonderful job making the program more efficient, so the extra processing is offset by the old stuff taking less time to get there than the original game. In the end, AE seems to me to be +/- 20% the time to run a turn as the original game. Though I haven't sat there with a stop watch and done a comparison. (Something I've been meaning to do for my own edification if nothing else.)

AE would probably run on a sub-1Ghz processor, but like the original game, it would run fairly slow.

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And if you're using Vista... WHY? Why would you do that?

Yes, I know it. But in Italy if you buy a new laptop you have installed Vista on it. I have seen XP only in old version laptops.


Vista isn't really that bad. Better then Win98....not better then XP. It seems pretty stable (for me at least). I do have problems getting a lot of older programs working, however, with a little presistance, I have been about 80% successful getting programs working that initially would not work. There are some older programs that just will not run on Vista.
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I am sure an older system, say 1ghz cpu with 512mb RAM can run both witp and the AE expasion, it's just that it will be murderously slow while the AI is calculating.
Going with at least a dual core processor and 2 GB RAM will make things much smoother.
Which OS you use can come into play but really the meat and potatoes of it all is CPU power and quantity of RAM, not to be confused with video RAM.
It doesn't make any sense, Admiral. Were we better than the Japanese or just luckier?

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Better then Win98....not better then XP

Yes, with the same hardware XP is more faster.
It seems pretty stable (for me at least)

Me too, but after several updates. Every so often appears the "beautiful" blue screen [:o]
yuh, don't use vista, wait for the next OS from Microsoft.

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Also it won't hurt if that dual core machine is not a Pentium D :D....

Seriously if one has a Core 2 Duo or Athlon X2 based system (IMHO GHz-es don't count that much nowadays) with 2 gigs of RAM there should be no problem.

GFX card: any medium category card would do just fine from recent generations, even on very large screens.
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Better then Win98....not better then XP

Yes, with the same hardware XP is more faster.
It seems pretty stable (for me at least)

Me too, but after several updates. Every so often appears the "beautiful" blue screen [:o]
yuh, don't use vista, wait for the next OS from Microsoft.

Do you think that Vista will be another Millenium?

That's 100% certain. Microsoft has already said that the next Windows is scheduled for 2009, and that Vista was never meant to be anything other than an interim OS. Wonder why they spent so much money advertising it...[8|]
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I would recommend a system with sufficient power to run an infinite loop in under 5 seconds.

(old programmer's joke)



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Can't beat 5 seconds but this isn't too bad... CPU o/c to 3.0ghz @ stock voltage. I have had her up to 3.5ghz for testing purposes.[;)]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Gemsdomain/test1.jpg?t=1206038178

Just for fun, those of you running windows can check to see how fast your PC can finish a super pi test.
set it to do 1m test and if you can stay under 45-50 seconds your PC should be "good enough" to run WitP or the AE expansion.
super pi
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super pi is basically a drag race for your PC and though faster RAM speeds produce the best results, if you don't have a decent CPU with good FSB speeds it won't matter.[;)]
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I would recommend a system with sufficient power to run an infinite loop in under 5 seconds.

(old programmer's joke)




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I would recommend a system with sufficient power to run an infinite loop in under 5 seconds.

(old programmer's joke)




Is it the joke that is old? Or just the programer?[:D]

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Can't beat 5 seconds but this isn't too bad... CPU o/c to 3.0ghz @ stock voltage. I have had her up to 3.5ghz for testing purposes.[;)]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Gemsdomain/test1.jpg?t=1206038178

Just for fun, those of you running windows can check to see how fast your PC can finish a super pi test.
set it to do 1m test and if you can stay under 45-50 seconds your PC should be "good enough" to run WitP or the AE expansion.
super pi
super pi wiki

super pi is basically a drag race for your PC and though faster RAM speeds produce the best results, if you don't have a decent CPU with good FSB speeds it won't matter.[;)]

So, do we get to brag? [:D]
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Can't beat 5 seconds but this isn't too bad... CPU o/c to 3.0ghz @ stock voltage. I have had her up to 3.5ghz for testing purposes.[;)]
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v335/Gemsdomain/test1.jpg?t=1206038178

Just for fun, those of you running windows can check to see how fast your PC can finish a super pi test.
set it to do 1m test and if you can stay under 45-50 seconds your PC should be "good enough" to run WitP or the AE expansion.
super pi
super pi wiki

super pi is basically a drag race for your PC and though faster RAM speeds produce the best results, if you don't have a decent CPU with good FSB speeds it won't matter.[;)]

I have this computer underclocked to keep down the heat in the room. I have trouble keeping the temperature under 80 in the summer with two air conditioners running. I'm in the worst possible spot in the house for heat: upstairs, south west exposure, no shade on that side of the house, and a floor plan that is awful for heating and cooling to begin with.

Anyway, the 1M test took 1 min, 17 sec and I run AE on this machine with the debugger. It works OK.

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Wonder why they spent so much money advertising it...

Yes, a "wonderful" business policy...
I have this computer underclocked to keep down the heat in the room. I have trouble keeping the temperature under 80 in the summer with two air conditioners running. I'm in the worst possible spot in the house for heat: upstairs, south west exposure, no shade on that side of the house, and a floor plan that is awful for heating and cooling to begin with.

Why you don't use a watercooling kit?
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33.55M, 10 iterations, my MacBook Pro was taking about 57 seconds per iteration.
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17.89 seconds, 19 iterations. I assume I can lose lots of CVs really, really quick. [:)]
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I have this computer underclocked to keep down the heat in the room. I have trouble keeping the temperature under 80 in the summer with two air conditioners running. I'm in the worst possible spot in the house for heat: upstairs, south west exposure, no shade on that side of the house, and a floor plan that is awful for heating and cooling to begin with.
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Why you don't use a watercooling kit?

The heat from a water cooled system has to go somewhere. Unless you're pouring the wastewater down the drain (I don't have one handy close to the computer), or put the radiator outside (I don't want to drill holes in the wall), the waste heat is dumped back into the room from the radiator.

Conservation of energy. That heat energy is put into the water instead of directly into the air as with normal systems, but something has to be done to take the heat out of the water for reuse, or you need an open system with fresh water coming in and the hot water being dumped.

Plus liquid cooling systems tend to take up more space and tend to be noisy (though there is one high end system that is quiet, it's also very expensive). I don't have a lot of room to waste and I like how quiet my computer is now.

BTW, the 1 m 17 s was for the full 19 iterations. The first iteration was less than a second.

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