The tank-busting Me-110

Preuss · Post by **Preuss** » Tue May 28, 2002 3:58 pm

In the past...when I planned a long game (formerly against the AI) I would replace the 110's with single engined fighters, leaving the 110's from the pool to an ally.
In one game, SKG-210 has a skill of 98...and they seem to work miracles...usually detroying double their number of tanks.
I'm curious...do you guys keep em?...or replace em with fighters?

Mikser · Post by **Mikser** » Tue May 28, 2002 4:09 pm

I usually prefer to keep at least some, though always supported by single engine fighters...At high experience they work marvels. Also the best things to bring down those darn B-17s before the Amis get good air support.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Tue May 28, 2002 5:13 pm

i always keep one plant producing them while the rest is producing FW190a and HE177 me110 are fine fighter bombers and i wouldnt want to go without them

czerpak · Post by **czerpak** » Tue May 28, 2002 7:33 pm

I use them as TD, they are no match for fighters.

Micha · Post by **Micha** » Tue May 28, 2002 8:11 pm

It seems that Me-110 losses are extremely high against small groups of enemy fighters?

Chairman · Post by **Chairman** » Tue May 28, 2002 10:53 pm

Thats why they were removed from the Battle of Britain, well those that did survive. Singel seat fighters flew around them and shoot them to pieces. But do keep them th ME-110G are bomber killers, with a lot of FW190:s as fighter cover they can massacre the Allied bomber formations

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Tue May 28, 2002 10:55 pm

but can stuka squadrons fly Me110?? i would love to replace my stukas withme 110's or FW190F its gamey oh yes but then again

Chairman · Post by **Chairman** » Wed May 29, 2002 11:37 am

Probobly not, you have to retrain those pilots to use a different aircraft with a lot of different flying ways not to mention the attack run, instead of the dive.

Yogi Yohan · Post by **Yogi Yohan** » Thu May 30, 2002 3:37 am

Originally posted by screamer
but can stuka squadrons fly Me110?? i would love to replace my stukas withme 110's or FW190F its gamey oh yes but then again

No, its not gamey, its what actually happened - the StukaGruppen had mostly upgraded to Fw-190s by the end of the war. Only Rudel's outfit was still flying Stukas by 1945.

Yogi Yohan · Post by **Yogi Yohan** » Thu May 30, 2002 4:03 pm

Originally posted by Chairman
Thats why they were removed from the Battle of Britain, well those that did survive. Singel seat fighters flew around them and shoot them to pieces. But do keep them th ME-110G are bomber killers, with a lot of FW190:s as fighter cover they can massacre the Allied bomber formations

Actually, the poor show of the Bf-110 in the Battle of Britain was because it was misused. It outperformed the Hurricane in everything but turn radius and roll rate, and could climb faster and go higher than the Spitfire. At its operational celing it was invulnerable to interception and from there it could perform deadly dive and climb attacks, much in the way it had in Poland.

The problem was that Luftwaffe High Command tried to use the Bf-110's as escort fighters. Acting as close escort to the bombers, at low speed and without an altitude advantage, they were cut to pieces by the more nimble British fighters.

So the Bf-110 could have been a very effective fighter even in the Battle of Britain, and properly used could have caused Fighter Command endless troubles. That the Luftwaffe never fully accepted (like the USAF did) that speed is far more important than maneuvrability in aerial combat is probably also the reason why the Fw-190 never completely replaced the obsolescent Bf-109.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:44 am

Originally posted by Yogi Yohan

No, its not gamey, its what actually happened - the StukaGruppen had mostly upgraded to Fw-190s by the end of the war. Only Rudel's outfit was still flying Stukas by 1945.

So it should be made posseble in the game but only that it could upgrade to FW190F not the 110 , that one should still be there for the fightergroups.

Possum · Post by **Possum** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:06 am

Hmmm....
I could make the Ju-87G in my mod upgrade to the Fw-190G.
this would give the player approximatly 1 year to have the Ju-87G in service ( May-43 to April-44) before converting to Fw-190G's
Actually this looks like a good idea!

Preuss · Post by **Preuss** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 5:08 am

I think I'll keep my Stukas. If I'm fortunate enough to keep air superiority, the G version should be able to help against the flood of Soviet armor. I don't know how well they work in the newer versions...but in old Second Front, they slaughtered tank formations.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 1:12 pm

Originally posted by Possum
Hmmm....
I could make the Ju-87G in my mod upgrade to the Fw-190G.
this would give the player approximatly 1 year to have the Ju-87G in service ( May-43 to April-44) before converting to Fw-190G's
Actually this looks like a good idea!

i think you mean FW190F

Preuss · Post by **Preuss** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:10 pm

Actually the FW-190 came out in both F and G versions...both Jabos. There were a lot more F's, though.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Tue Jun 04, 2002 4:16 pm

alot more?? how much more, you see if the difference is to small between them[preformance] and the G was to limited in production you could add the Re2005 if italy holds out long enough it will still get a great new plane this way so they arent stuck with **** *** fighters if they are fighting in 1944/1945

Possum · Post by **Possum** » Wed Jun 05, 2002 4:26 am

Screamer, the capabilities of the Fw-190F and the Fw-190G were considerably different. While both are fighter-bombers and had similar performance; The F had a heavy cannon arnament, which made it a good tankbuster. While the G had a much reduced cannon arnament, dive brakes, and the bomb cradle of a Ju-87, so it could be employed as a dive bomber.

screamer · Post by **screamer** » Wed Jun 05, 2002 1:46 pm

Bernard · Post by **Bernard** » Wed Jun 19, 2002 3:53 am

Actually i change some BF109 e/f (or whatever they call this "mix" into BF110 at start or very soon). i will rechange them into fighters if need be. Fighters are not important early in the game... bombers do achieve a lot of destruction.