Real Life Pilots For Inclusion

[Trueknight]

Hi. Sadly even the info i got are someway contradictory, even tough I found some names I'm quite sure that can be assigned to the ICAF since they got shot down and killed by Germans, but it's more difficoult to be certain of the unit. The 3 size of units and sub-units used by the Regia Aeronautica doesn't help, but i'm sure you know this better than me. Hard Sarge sent me the list of pilots and units he has and i will compare it with the data i found, and maybe i'll try to dig out something more.

[Hard Sarge]

Shaggy

from one of the BoB type forums, I been finding alot of good info on the BoB pilots

is that part of your interest ?

the list of RCAF pilots in BoB has been very helpful on my end

(our lists are different and for different reasons)

[von Shagmeister]

Hi Sarge,
 
It's all of interest, whatever the period. Any pilot biographical data I come across (if I think it's accurate!) I put an my database so I can try and build up details of their careers, so that I can try and gauge their relative experience levels for BTR. I've 633 Italian pilots on the database, though they include bomber and strike pilots etc and many fighter pilots who aren't relevant to BoB or BTR.
 
I have the following pilots for the Aeronautica Co-Belligerente though you've probably got the aces in already.
Format lists Aeronautica Co-Belligerente unit and in brackets the Regia Aeronautica unit as of 17Aug43 if relevant to BTR.
 
Mllo Bladelli, Alessandro; 4º Stormo CT (?91ª Sqd/10º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT?)
Magg Casini, Gabriele; 132º Gruppo Aut AS
Cap Cimicchi, Giuseppe; ??132º Gruppo Aut AS??
T.Col Fanali, Duilio; C/O 155º Gruppo Aut CT later C/O 51º Stormo CT (C/O 155º Gruppo Aut CT)
Ten Ferazzani, Giuseppe; 4º Stormo CT
Cap Graziani, Giulio Cesare; ??132º Gruppo Aut AS??
Magg Mariotti, Luigi; C/O 9º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT (C/O 9º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT)
Serg Magg Martinoli, Teresio; 4º Stormo CT (73ª Sqd/9º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT)
Cap Piccolomini (-Clementini?), Ranieri; C/O 10º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT (Act? C/O 10º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT)
Magg Reiner, Giulio; 4º Stormo CT (C/O 73ª Sqd/9º Gruppo/4º Stormo CT)
 
I've included strike pilots as well as I'm not sure what units you've got coming in with the BAF. Bear in mind however that some of these guys would warrant inclusion earlier as members of Regia Aeronautica units.

[Trueknight]

I'm a bit in a hurry, but i can give some insight about the "51 stormo", that fought in the ICAF officially from 1st jaunary '44, but they took some casualties since november '43. I'm using the same "format" of the post above.
 
C/O T.Col Fanali, Duilio
 
20^ Gruppo; C/O Capitano Leoncini (?) using MC205 till sptember '44 then Spitfire V
composed of
356^ Squadriglia; tenente Veronese, Alberto
360^ Squadriglia;
 
21^ Gruppo C/O capitano Dezzani, Remo; using MC202 first, then (don't know when they changed) MC205
 
composed of
351^ Squadriglia; tenente Melis,?
386^ Squadriglia; capitano Carotti, Trento / sergente pilota Riccioli, Gaetano (KIA in november '43)
 
155^ Gruppo C/O capitano Biccolini, Manlio; using MC205 for the entire war
 
composed of
361^ Squadriglia; segente pilota Carlucci, Armando; (KIA in november '43)
378^ Squadriglia;
 
the following pilots were shot down between Jaunary '44 and Jaunary '45 and all belonged to this Stormo but i don't know which Gruppo or Squadriglia...i think we can put them anywhere.
 
tenente Roesler, Franz
tenente Martinelli,?
tenente Franchini,?
sergente maggiore Baldini,?
sottotenente Mancina,?
sottotenente Sigismondi,?
tenente Marini, Arnaldo
 
My source is this website http://www.eaf51.org/
that give credits to the book "STORMI D’ITALIA" of Giulio Lazzati.
I noticed this book and another one about the italian air force after the Italian surrender from the same Author on sale at a good price on the internet...maybe i could buy them, but i'm not sure of the info i could find.
 
In the next days and weeks i'll try to send updates, but i don't make any promises, i'm really busy lately.
 
Hopes it can help
 
Bye
 
 
 
 
 

[von Shagmeister]

Great stuff Trueknight, any info you find post it up.

[Hard Sarge]

thanks, Shaggy, TK, added

[von Shagmeister]

Here is the first installment of Bomber Command pilots that participated in the 17-18Aug43 Peenemuende raid (perfect for the start of BTR). I've not included a suggested exp rating as I've not got much bio data on most of them, though most would probably fall in the range 60-75.
 
Makes a pleasant change to have so many bomber pilots other than C/Os and casualties. Lists should provide more or less full pilot establishments for most squadrons as Peenemuende was a max effort.
 
1 Group
 
12 Sqn
 
F/S Adams, H.H.
P/O Ashbourne, H.
F/L Booth, A.
P/O Brown, M.G.
F/L Burkhardt, J.
Sgt Currie, J.A.L.
Sgt Fordyce, G.W.
F/S Hutchinson, J.P.
F/S Joy, F.R.
F/S Kremer, G.R.
F/O Leader-Williams, ???
F/O Lighton, D.G.
F/O Lloyd, M.
F/S Patterson, W.
Sgt Rabbett, R.P.
S/L Roden, C.A.
F/L Rowland, J.N.
W/O Sharpe, W.R.
S/L Slade, F.B.
F/S Smithergale, ???
F/O Snell, W.P.
Sgt Tribe, D.E.
F/L Weeks, D.G.R.
F/L Wood, F.J.
F/O Wright, F.J.
 
100 Sqn
 
Sgt Baker, D.
W/O Berry, J.H.
Sgt Boone, C.W.J.
F/S Bowden, R.G.
Sgt Brook, G.W.
W/O Clarke, J.R.
F/S Close, D.
P/O Cracknell, F.G.
F/S Dripps, D.C.
W/O Edwards, D.G.
F/L Gerskowski, A.
Sgt Goff, C.C.
W/O Harris, C.H.
F/S Needs, K.L.
F/S Phillips, D.G.
F/O Proudfoot, R.L.
F/O Spiers, H.I.
Sgt Stow, L.J.
F/O Wilson, C.A.
W/O Wright, L.H.
 
101 Sqn
 
W/O Bond, G.P.R.
F/O Carpenter, D.J.
W/O Cunningham, T.
F/L Day, J.C.
Sgt Fawcett, G.R.
P/O Leeder, R.R.
F/L Mackay, D.W.
F/S Marsh, N.A.
F/S McConnell, D.H.
F/L McCulloch, R.L.
Sgt Naffin, R.G.
F/S Rays, F.M.
F/O Robertson, I.
F/O Rowlands, T.W.
F/S Sexton, ???
F/S Shattock, E.H.
Sgt Skipper, D.W.
F/S Tucker, D.D.
W/O Walker, A.J.S.
F/L Wedderburn, S.
 
Much more to follow.

[von Shagmeister]

1 Group (cont.)

103 Sqn
 
F/S Annis, C.W.
P/O Atkinson, R.
F/S Buxton, A.W.
W/O Chesterton, P.F.
F/O Day, J.A.
1/Lt Drew, J.C.
W/O Edie, R.J.
F/L Finlay, D.W.
W/O Gage, S.E.
P/O Hopps, F.J.
F/O Kilvington, L.
F/O Marshal, J.F.
Sgt O'Donnell, P.J.
F/S Pargeter, A.H.
F/S Phelps, C.E.
W/O Presland, E.J.
S/L Prickett, T.O. - P r i c k e t t
F/L van Rolleghem, F.
F/S Rule, J.E.
Sgt Thomas, J.E.
Sgt Townsend, E.T.
W/O Warren, J.D.
S/L Wood, C.S.F.
 
460 Sqn RAAF
 
S/L Baird, K.D.
F/S Carter, H.G.
F/S English, J.H.J.
F/O Randall, F.A.
F/S Gardner, J.R.
F/S Goulevitch, J.
P/O Greenacre, E.R.
F/S Hills, T.L.
F/S Hocking, J.D.
F/S Lloyd, F.L.R.
F/S Magnus, F.H.
Sgt Marshall, A.M.
W/C Martin, C.E.
P/O Moodie, D.B.
W/O Munsch, W.C.H.
F/O Oakshott, G.J.
F/S Peters, N.M.
F/S Rees, D.
F/S Richards, ???
F/O Robinson, F.N.
F/S Sharpe, G.J.
F/S Smith, C.R.
F/S Turnbull, J.
Sgt Wicks, R.R.

[von Shagmeister]

3 Group
 
15 Sqn
 
Sgt Grundy, R.
F/O Lown, R.
W/O Niall, A.
W/C Stephens, J.
F/S Thomas, N.
 
75 Sqn
 
F/O Alexander, A.
F/S Batger, H.
P/O Burley, A.
W/O Hartstein, P.
F/S Higham, F.
Sgt Joll, A.
P/O Logan, C.
F/S Mayfield, A.
W/O Moseley, P.
F/S McGregor, K.K.
P/O Sedunary, A.
F/S White, O.
F/O Wilson, A.
 
90 Sqn
 
P/O Appelby, E.G.
F/S Brayshaw, S.C.
F/L Cheek, W.H.
F/L Crew, C.G.
F/O Day, W.
S/L Freeman, M.I.
Sgt Hilton, G.R.
F/S Lowe, A.
Sgt Luyk, S.A.
Sgt Mason, F.
P/O McInnes, D.A.
P/O Kinsella, K.T.
F/S Sheppard, F.E.
W/O Wood, C.P.
F/O Yates, K.R.
 
115 Sqn
 
F/O Barnes, R.L.
W/O Boutillier, E.
P/O Cade, A.S.
F/L Christianson, J.H.
F/L Eggleston, L.K.
W/O Hicks, H.
F/O Pusey, ???
F/O Seddon, R.
F/L Starky, J.B.
F/S Tinn, F.
F/S Townsend, W.
F/S Wolfson, F.
 
149 Sqn
 
P/O McPherson, B.E.C.
F/S Smith, R.L.L.
 
199 Sqn
 
F/O Briggs, F.I.
F/L Eady, K.
F/L Hancock, W.
F/S Hegginson, A.D.
P/O McNamara, E.
F/L Noble, G.A.
F/S Reidy, J.F.
F/O Robbins, F.S.G.
 
214 Sqn
 
F/S Beever, A.
F/O Henderson, F.
F/L Lee, H.C.
F/S Thriplow, H.
F/S Tutt, N.J.
P/O Verrall, ???
Sgt Welch, G.A.
 
218 Sqn
 
F/S Adams, H.
W/O Grant, S.R.
F/L Kingsbury, L.C.
W/C Oldbury, W.G.
S/L Ryall, I.R.
 
620 Sqn
 
P/O Griffiths, J.
S/L Lambert, A.P.
P/O McDonald, F.C.
F/S Nicholls, J.F.
 
622 Sqn
 
F/S Young, J.

[Hard Sarge]

just in case, I am following and copying

[von Shagmeister]

4 Group

10 Sqn

Sgt Baker, G.
P/O Belcher, C.D.
F/S Clarke, J.
F/S Cockrem, H.
F/L Cox, D.W.
Sgt Davies, P.S.
Sgt Glover, C.R.
F/S Heppell, J.W.
P/O Hewlett, G.K.
Sgt Holdsworth, B.
F/S Kilsby, N.W.
W/O Kennedy, R.J.
F/S Long, A.J.E.
F/S Plant, H.E.
Sgt Still, W.
Sgt Stinson, H.
Sgt Walker, F.J.
F/S Wardman, N.D.

51 Sqn

F/S Addison, W.H.
F/L Andrew, A.D.
Sgt Bishop, T.J.
Sgt Brooks, J.
Sgt Bruce, W.E.
Sgt Cribb, R.J.
F/L Dobson, T.R.
Sgt Durrant, S.A.
Sgt Farley, H.F.
F/S Foster, M.C.
F/S George, H.M.
Sgt Hearsey, D.W.
F/L Herrald, E.P.
F/L Hutton, T.W.A.
Sgt James, A.W.
Sgt Lerl, F.W.
F/S Levy, R.
Sgt McGregor, J.
Sgt Morris, J.B.
P/O Richards, G.
Sgt Salvage, A.J.
Sgt Sherer, H.H.
Sgt Thompson, D.M.
Sgt Turner, S.C.

76 Sqn

Sgt Dunn, G.C.
F/S Falgate, L.
Sgt Giortz, F.S.
Sgt Greenacre, G.C.
Sgt Griffiths, D.G.
P/O Hewson, K.
P/O Hickman, S.W.
F/O Hicks, D.E.
F/L Hodson, A.J.S.
F/S Holmes, E.
Lt Howerstad, G.
Sgt Kirkham, C.
F/S Little, E.G.
W/O Myers, K.A.
F/L Sanderson, J.E.
Capt Stene, J.M.
Sgt Thorpe, A.
Sgt Troake, S.J.
F/S Whittle, H.R.W.
Sgt Wright, E.N.

77 Sqn

S/L Badcoe, E.C.
Sgt Baxter, A.R.
Sgt Brown, E.A.
Sgt Byrne, J.
F/S Caeley, R.J.
F/S Daffey, R.
S/L Duder, D.H.
F/S Ellis, J.K.
F/S Gay, A.
Sgt Hamblyn, D.C.
Sgt Hill, T.W.
Sgt Jones, R.J.
Sgt Manson, C.T.
F/S Massie, A.
F/S Richardson, S.
F/S Rochester, R.O.
F/L Rowe, T.
Sgt Shefford, F.E.
F/L Surplice, V.H.
F/O Warren, G.W.

78 Sqn

Sgt Bell, G.
Sgt Bolsworth, B.
F/L Carver, G.
F/S Ebeling, F.
P/O Ferguson, A.
Sgt Ferne, H.
F/L Hunter, R.
F/S King, K.
W/O Kitchen, E.
W/C Lewrence, G.
W/O Martin, R.
F/S Norris, S.
F/S Pool, F.
F/S Rowlands, G.
F/S Rudge, B.
F/O Short, A.
W/O Smith, W.
F/S Watson, ???
W/O Wilson, T.

102 Sqn

P/O Bowman, J.
F/L Causton, J.L.
Sgt Chappell, J.A.
P/O Dargavel, T.H.
Sgt Hughes, W.
Sgt Kularatne, A.
F/S Lambert, W.R.
W/C Marchbanks, S.J.
S/L Marshall, J.W.H.
Sgt McAlpine, K.G.
F/S Moss, B.R.
Sgt Mountney, K.
Sgt Roadley, G.S.
F/S Rooney, W.A.
Sgt Sayer, P.
Sgt Templar, S.W.
F/O Ward, J.W.

158 Sqn

F/S Allsop, B.N.
Sgt Atkins, J.R.M.
F/S Burgum, W.A. William A. Burgum
W/C Calder, C.C.
F/S Caldwell, W.D.
P/O Cameron, D.C.
F/O Clarke, J.Y. John Y. Clarke
Sgt Colter, J.D.
Sgt Denton, J.A.V.
Sgt Edwards, T.C. Thomas C. Edwards
Sgt Emms, S.W.
F/S Fisher, H.G.A.
P/O Frisby, H.
F/O Holmes, K.T.
F/L Hornibrook, H.
P/O James, E. Ernest James
Sgt Knox, J.S.
Sgt Mattey, T.C.
Sgt Mottershead, H.
F/S Nicholls, D.
F/S Penfold, C.F.
F/L Reynolds, J.
Sgt Ward, K. Kenneth Ward
Sgt Winn, A.E.

[Hard Sarge]

Dang Shaggy, I going crosseyed here

10 more squadrons to go

[Hard Sarge]

Added

should make you test to see if I got doubles in there

[von Shagmeister]

Correct to above
 
77 Sqn
 
F/S Caeley, R.J. -  should read - F/S Caseley, R.J.
 
I've probably made other typos but I'm going cross eyed aswell.
 
5 Group
 
9 Sqn
 
P/O Billing, J.
Sgt Black, I.C.B.
F/L Brain, C.J.
S/L Bunker, R.H.
Sgt Gill, T.H.
F/S Hall, G.E.
F/S Livingstone, J.
F/S Lyon, J.H.S.
P/O Newton, C.P.
F/S Robinson, N.J.
P/O Stout, G.E.
F/O Wells, R.
 
44 Sqn
 
P/O Aldridge, D.H.
F/S Ash, R.L.
W/C Bowes, R.L.
Sgt Campbell, R.M.
Sgt Drew, W.J.
P/O Harding, R.C.
F/O Hill, C.G.
F/S Holmes-a-Court, ???
F/O Pilgrim, L.W.
P/O Rogers, H.
Sgt Ransome, G.I.
F/S Snell, C.R.
S/L Watson, R.G.
 
49 Sqn
 
S/L Day, J.G.
F/S Hales, A.R.
W/C Johnson, P.W.
F/S Kirton, B.
W/O McCabe, J.O.
F/L Munro, R.
F/S Oglesby, E.B.
F/O Randall, ???
Sgt Robinson, C.
F/L Taylor, T.D.
S/L Todd-White, R.G.
P/O Tomlin, T.E.
 
50 Sqn
 
S/L Abercromby, W.
F/S Banks, M.J.
F/L Chopping, D.H.
F/S Code, R.M.
P/O Duncan, D.A.
P/O Mason, J.H.
F/S Nelson, W.G.
F/L Parks, W.F.
F/S Smith, W.G.
F/S Thompson, J.W.
F/S Thompson, S.J.
Sgt Weatherstone, E.D.
 
57 Sqn
 
F/L Dunn, A.R.
F/S Gifford, H.S.
F/L Gobbie, A.F.
W/C Haskell, W.R.
F/O Hodgkinson, E.
F/S Irwin, T.G.
F/O Levy, P.L.
Sgt Moores, A.H.
F/O Perrers, F.L.
Sgt Ryrie, K.H.
S/L Smith, R.E.S.
Sgt Tansley, E.H.
F/O West, D.
F/O Whittam, P.

[von Shagmeister]

Just a quick look at the latest OoB, you're quick inputting the pilots!
 
One thing I would say. I notice that most that you have entered have exp in the range 70-74. I think this is a little generous for non 8 Grp or specialist Sqn crews. Many would have recently come from OTU/HCU so I think 60-75 would be a better range where bio data isn't available. Obviously S/L, F/L & W/O should be at the top of the range as they are probably more experienced. Sgts should generally be at the bottom of the range, although many inexperienced pilots were F/S' by the time they were through OTU etc. P/Os are more problematic to gauge as whilst many will be baby officers, others may be recently commissioned NCOs with suitable exp.

[Hard Sarge]

R.J. Caseley corrected

will get to the others after work tomorrow

[von Shagmeister]

5 Grp (cont.)

61 Sqn

F/S Docker, R.J.
P/O Eager, W.H.
F/O Hughes, W.
Sgt Lowe, M.C.
P/O Madgett, H.R.
W/C Penman, W.M.
Sgt Roberts, F.J.
F/L Stewart, T.A.
Sgt Strange, A.P.
F/L Thomas, D.C.
F/O Webb, N.D.
Sgt Willsher, E.
F/S Wilson, A.E.

106 Sqn

F/S Barker, J.G.
W/C Baxter, R.E.
F/O Ham, H.D.
F/L Hartley, G.H.
F/S Hendrey, J.L.
F/O Hoboken, J.R.T.
Sgt Storer, C.H.
P/O Whetter, A.
P/O Yackman, F.W.

207 Sqn

P/O Baker, W.H.
S/L Balms, D.M.
Sgt Caxon, G.L.
P/O Fitzgerald, R.M.
S/L Huntley-Wood, I.
P/O Kirkwood, J.
P/O McIntosh, J.
P/O Stevens, J.A.G.
P/O Weeden, G.H.

467 Sqn RAAF

F/L Blucke, H.
Sgt Claxton, D.B.
P/O Dixon, F.W.
F/O Forbes, W.A.
S/L Lewis, W.J.
P/O McIver, K.A.
S/L Raphael, A.S.
F/S Tillotson, G.F.
P/O Whiting, J.H.
W/O Wilson, W.L.

619 Sqn

F/L Aytoun, R.
P/O Firth, C.
Sgt Hughes, R.T.
F/L Jones, S.E.
F/O Joss, D.M.
W/C McGhie, I.J. Irwin J. McGhie
F/S Metcalfe, F.G.
P/O O'Leary, O.A. Owen A. O'Leary
F/O O'Shaughnessy, T.
Sgt Pearce, A.J. Alfred J. Pearce
F/L Pullen, F.
F/O Tomlin, A.H.

[Hard Sarge]

I got a couple of names

George Ivan Rowland - G. Rowlands ? but he is a FO died middle of 44

this one looks better

Thomas W. Rowland - T.W. Rowlands, he is from 101 ??

I was looking for Charles A. Rowland for 609 and found those two, along with John J. 184 and Desmond H. Rowlands 97

[von Shagmeister]

ORIGINAL: Hard Sarge

Thomas W. Rowland - T.W. Rowlands, he is from 101 ??

Thomas Wilson Rowland is definitely correct. Chorley, CWGC & London Gazette have him as Rowland.

Lists above taken from ORBs which often have spelling errors, incorrect or incomplete initials.

[Hard Sarge]

oh, I understand about working with Docs

I am confused with what I been working on last night, same book, is listing different pilots with van , some are listed as van and others are listed as Van, so am not sure what or why they are different (same National background)

also, I am sure lots of people are going to think I am misspelling a lot of names (which there are going to be mistakes, either on my part or on others) but with in reason, I have tried to write them down as I see them, not as I think they should of been spelt

(LoL when I was in the Marines, we had a laff, part of your Intell score, was based on spelling your name right, you got 50 points for that, I had a guy in my outfit who scored a 49, but my question always was, who are you to tell me I am spelling my name wrong ?)

(even worse, his name was Boyd, kind of HARD to spell that wrong)