Panzer Command: Kharkov at GameSpot

[Erik Rutins]

Hey all,

If any of you are so motivated, please head over to GameSpot and add what you feel is a fair rating and/or review to the review and score already posted there by a familiar former forum member.

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/pan ... n;dropdown

Regards,

- Erik

[jomni]

Lol! he's everywhere.
BTW! He got booted from the Battlefront Forums for the same reasons...
He's pretty behaved in Wargamer.

[madorosh]

They won't let newly signed up members review games.

They do let us report abuse in the reviews, so I reported ravinhood's review as abusive. I suggest as many people as possible report the truth - that he was banned from Matrix, never owned the game, and is posting a retaliatory and defamatory review on gamespot. Hopefully the site will see the light and take his childish, poorly written crap off their site.

[jomni]

Dorosh, how are you liking Kharkov so far?  I know you got into trouble in the other website because of your criticisms about their game.

[Grotius]

Glad you mentioned this. I just posted my own review. "Immersive," and a 9.5. OK, I might've been a bit generous, but what the hell, I'm loving this game.

[madorosh]

ORIGINAL: jomni

Dorosh, how are you liking Kharkov so far? I know you got into trouble in the other website because of your criticisms about their game.

Which website, and which trouble? Not that I'm aware of. I've had some pretty frank discussions about basic game design issues on the Combat Mission forums - was that what you meant? I wouldn't characterize that as "trouble." That was just Steve being Steve.

I like Kharkov so far. I tried to start a PBEM with someone. He send a set-up, lectured me on reading the manual so I don't mess up the procedure, and managed to send the file from his inbox instead of his outbox then never wrote back again.

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: Grotius

Glad you mentioned this. I just posted my own review. "Immersive," and a 9.5. OK, I might've been a bit generous, but what the hell, I'm loving this game.

LOL, I also gave it a 9.5 but then saw that RH had scored it so I went back and raised mine to 10 just to counterbalance his blatantly poor scoring (from someone who doesnt even have the game!)

Unfortunately, I'm not able to reveiw it, because I haven't spent time on their board. But I did write some comments in the forum thread.

Rick

[Hertston]

Erik, I understand how pissed you are about this, but on reflection (and having posted at BF myself) I really don't think sending folks following RH across the net is a smart idea. 
 
Setting aside the fact RH hasn't played the game regardless, you will see a lot worse scores - and reviews - than his.  Much as I like the game, it isn't difficult to see that a generation used to Company of Heroes and World in Conflict as their startegy games of choice will crucify it on grounds of graphics alone.  I can't help but see a certain irony in the fact that one person (of six.. and I now know who all the other five are!) rated it 'abysmal', and it wasn't RH!   The review, actually, is pretty similar to most of his others that I've seen including the "don't believe the hype" tag.   He hammered Theatre of War a lot worse... sure that game had (and still has) 'issues', but 2.0/10?!
 
I think intervention and comment will do Matrix no favours.  It just gives the impression, to someone unaware of the background, of a bunch of fanbois attempting to silence what might be perceived as valid critical comment.  Nothing wrong with scoring and reviewing the game as if he never existed of course.
 
    

[rickier65]

ORIGINAL: Hertston

Erik, I understand how pissed you are about this, but on reflection (and having posted at BF myself) I really don't think sending folks following RH across the net is a smart idea. 

Setting aside the fact RH hasn't played the game regardless, you will see a lot worse scores - and reviews - than his.  Much as I like the game, it isn't difficult to see that a generation used to Company of Heroes and World in Conflict as their startegy games of choice will crucify it on grounds of graphics alone.  I can't help but see a certain irony in the fact that one person (of six.. and I now know who all the other five are!) rated it 'abysmal', and it wasn't RH!   The review, actually, is pretty similar to most of his others that I've seen including the "don't believe the hype" tag.   He hammered Theatre of War a lot worse... sure that game had (and still has) 'issues', but 2.0/10?!

I think intervention and comment will do Matrix no favours.  It just gives the impression, to someone unaware of the background, of a bunch of fanbois attempting to silence what might be perceived as valid critical comment.  Nothing wrong with scoring and reviewing the game as if he never existed of course.

   

You have a point, and I don't begrudge someone having a subjective opinion. But it really grates on me to see outright mistatements of facts.

Rick

[Marc von Martial]

ORIGINAL: Hertston
I think intervention and comment will do Matrix no favours. It just gives the impression, to someone unaware of the background, of a bunch of fanbois attempting to silence what might be perceived as valid critical comment. Nothing wrong with scoring and reviewing the game as if he never existed of course.

You know Herston, I would generally agree with you. But in this very case we are dealing with a complete nutcase. A dealing with nutcases needs special measures.

Ravinhood got also banned from the Battlefront forums within no time after he got banned here. Why? Well here is Steve's (battlefront.com) quote:

P.S. The accounts of CaptainBly and Ravinhood are now banned from posting. Why? Because they are the same person, and that is about the worst "crime" that can be committed on this Forum.

CaptainBly was chatting with Ravinhood, both the very same person, in this particular thread. They were padding their backs each others. How sick do you have to be? Read the thread over there if you like, it is still there for everybody to see.

I guess he never heard of IP logging and that forum admins have their tools these days. Easpecially on forums you can overview.

Now he is copying and pasting his reviews all over other websites and we should just let him get away with it? Sorry, but on pages like gamespot.com (where only very few people actually review wargames) certainly not, I'm with Erik there.

[Melnibone]

lol...I suspected they were the same person. That is just sad.

[Hertston]

ORIGINAL: Marc Schwanebeck

You know Herston, I would generally agree with you. But in this very case we are dealing with a complete nutcase. A dealing with nutcases needs special measures.

Whatever measures you take, 'special' or not, surely they must be intended to do Matrix more good than harm? In my very humble opinion (and I have changed my mind on this, as I said) in this case the reverse might well turn out to be the case.

CaptainBly was chatting with Ravinhood, both the very same person, in this particular thread. They were padding their backs each others. How sick do you have to be? Read the thread over there if you like, it is still there for everybody to see.

Yes.. I'd rather guessed that. But beyond confirming what we knew already regarding RH's 'character' how does that change anything? Steve was mad at RH, but I read his final post as aimed very much at Erik as well... we all know BF have always been rather less liberal in some respects than Matrix when it comes to their forums. Your relations with BF are, of course, your own affair, but there are consequences to taking dirty laundry elsewhere that might do Matrix rather more harm than one rogue 'reviewer' is capable of.

Now he is copying and pasting his reviews all over other websites and we should just let him get away with it? Sorry, but on pages like gamespot.com (where only very few people actually review wargames) certainly not, I'm with Erik there.

I can only repeat what I said before. It's not a case of "letting him get away with it", it's just that I think any intervention beyond just posting honest reviews and scores will ultimately prove counter-productive. That just helps RH get what he wants.

[JudgeDredd]

Personally I feel for you Erik. You are damned if you do and damned if you don't in this case.

As much as I detested that ravinhood and the comments made by him, personally I'm with Hertston. It may well be this is counter productive.

Unfortunately, the people out there will not know what a lying, kiniving, self obssessed, narcissistic SoB that person was...and that his sole goal has now become trying his hardest to do your company and this game/any game you release damage.
The guy thinks he owns the world. He always thought his opinions meant more than anyone elses...which was the original falling out by both of us...he just couldn't understand that I had a different view to him. If you read through these threads, they are all about him, his views, what he has changed.

I don't think I've ever seen such an acute case of narcissism before.

Also, being is he is clearly narcissistic, he will only feel the power in people following him around.

I say leave him be. He's gone from here and good riddence to bad karma. Let him show his true self on other websites...he will do. He can't help it. It's his trade mark and, in his very own words...no-one will change him.

[Erik Rutins]

Hi folks,

Look, I was quite serious about saying that you should only post there if you feel motivated to do so and that you should post what you feel is a fair and honest score. Frankly, whether there had been another review there or not I would have eventually asked people to help us raise attention _if they felt like reviewing the game_ by adding their voices. If you had all rated Kharkov a 2.0, so be it, I can't control your ratings or reviews. However, I was certainly hoping for some positive ones.

As a side note, I wasn't chasing anyone - I've checked GameSpot daily since release as part of my "rounds" and was as surprised as anyone to see a familiar name pop up there. I did disagree with the review and rating so I figured asking for others to also add theirs would not be inappropriate.

However, I guess I'm in a permanent Catch 22 on this one, and I recognize from your comments that no matter how I state this, it can be viewed as an abuse of my position. I can also see that this ends up just reopening old wounds and also creates more harm in that sense. So I will lock this and let it sink and I promise I won't bring up anything related to you know who again.

Regards,

- Erik