Vettim--I really like what he has done. I am in two other Stock Campaigns in Jan 1943 and Jan 1945 and HATE the original system. This is far better and much more enjoyable.
Forlorn Hopes: The Japanese Respond
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
RE: Choices to be Made
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Choices to be Made
Hi John,
I am very pleased to see that the mod is working well - and I am very happy to see that you have single-handedly dispelled the notion that this is an AFB mod.
Judging by your latest three day air campaign over Rangoon, the Japanese can still do quite well in mid 1943 - and it looks like there is nothing for the Allies to cry 'foul' over either. I think Castor Troy's biggest complaint in the last version was his seeming inability to shoot down 4E bombers. After making changes and a lot of testing it looks to me that - that certainly is no longer the case...and I hope base flak is now more effective too.
You mentioned a while back in a 'War Room' thread that your Tony's were being mauled by Spitfires - have things evened out or stabilized on that regard?
B
I am very pleased to see that the mod is working well - and I am very happy to see that you have single-handedly dispelled the notion that this is an AFB mod.
Judging by your latest three day air campaign over Rangoon, the Japanese can still do quite well in mid 1943 - and it looks like there is nothing for the Allies to cry 'foul' over either. I think Castor Troy's biggest complaint in the last version was his seeming inability to shoot down 4E bombers. After making changes and a lot of testing it looks to me that - that certainly is no longer the case...and I hope base flak is now more effective too.
You mentioned a while back in a 'War Room' thread that your Tony's were being mauled by Spitfires - have things evened out or stabilized on that regard?
B
ORIGINAL: John 3rd
Vettim--I really like what he has done. I am in two other Stock Campaigns in Jan 1943 and Jan 1945 and HATE the original system. This is far better and much more enjoyable.
RE: Choices to be Made
John, speaking of the pilot losses over Rangoon in your favor, what is your pilot training program like? Do you use the Mogami method, do you damage/move/disband fragments? Do you have a training base in the PI or something?
RE: Choices to be Made
Q-Ball,
My pilot training works in several differing manners:
1. My standard tactic is during the drive south through the DEI I leave one or two isolated outposts that I then use as a backwoods place for aerial practice. Some people consider this gamey but it is exactly what the Allies did in 1943-44-45. In Dan and I's game I have left Iliolo in the Philippines and that base in the middle of Celebes--cannot think of its name.
2. China--I have 10 Sentai/Daitai of fighters right now hitting various bases around China gaining experience. Dan has spread a bynch of fighter detachments throughout China so I use 2-3 Daitai/Sentai Striking Groups and they get reasonable air-to-air experience without a lot of cost. I just raided Pakhoi (southern Chinese coast) with 66 Fighters and 73 Bombers versus 7 P-38. I lost 2 fighters but shotdown 5 P-38. When I can attack at odds of 10-1, good things happen. This works pretty well for training purposes.
Should note that I am using bombers as fighter magnets to draw up his fighters. They fly at 20-22,000 Ft so the escorts have a good altitude to fight from.
3. I occasionally use the Mogami method later in the war.
Brian,
I have no complaints regarding 4EB being shot down by my advanced Tonys. Rangoon's fighter strength has REALLY helped to keep the Allies knocked back some...
My pilot training works in several differing manners:
1. My standard tactic is during the drive south through the DEI I leave one or two isolated outposts that I then use as a backwoods place for aerial practice. Some people consider this gamey but it is exactly what the Allies did in 1943-44-45. In Dan and I's game I have left Iliolo in the Philippines and that base in the middle of Celebes--cannot think of its name.
2. China--I have 10 Sentai/Daitai of fighters right now hitting various bases around China gaining experience. Dan has spread a bynch of fighter detachments throughout China so I use 2-3 Daitai/Sentai Striking Groups and they get reasonable air-to-air experience without a lot of cost. I just raided Pakhoi (southern Chinese coast) with 66 Fighters and 73 Bombers versus 7 P-38. I lost 2 fighters but shotdown 5 P-38. When I can attack at odds of 10-1, good things happen. This works pretty well for training purposes.
Should note that I am using bombers as fighter magnets to draw up his fighters. They fly at 20-22,000 Ft so the escorts have a good altitude to fight from.
3. I occasionally use the Mogami method later in the war.
Brian,
I have no complaints regarding 4EB being shot down by my advanced Tonys. Rangoon's fighter strength has REALLY helped to keep the Allies knocked back some...
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Choices to be Made
Weekends alway move slowly in Dan and I's game. We crank out the turns during the week and only do 1 or 2 on Sat and Sun. The weekends are for family with us and that is nice.
I just sent the May 27th turn to him and am about to attack in Rangoon. Following advice gotten here, I have transfered troops from Moulmein to Rangoon and bumped my supply up to nearly 50,000. I am even with Dan in Assault Strength. My plan is to hit him with 250 bombers and the Mutsu/Nagato TF on the 28th and 29th and then launch a Deliberate Attack.
Any predictions on how it will go?
I just sent the May 27th turn to him and am about to attack in Rangoon. Following advice gotten here, I have transfered troops from Moulmein to Rangoon and bumped my supply up to nearly 50,000. I am even with Dan in Assault Strength. My plan is to hit him with 250 bombers and the Mutsu/Nagato TF on the 28th and 29th and then launch a Deliberate Attack.
Any predictions on how it will go?
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
Combat Report: June 3, 1943
Combat Report
June 3, 1943
CBI Theatre
On June 2nd, the entire Japanese Army in Rangoon launched a Deliberate Attack against the Allied Army that has surrounded the city for several months. These were the major units used for the attack:
2 Army (Corps) HQ
Infantry Divisions: 16th, 19th, 21st, 31st, 48th, 55th
Armor: 1st Armored Division, 3rd Armored Division and 2 Regiments
Regiments/Brigades: 4
Artillery: 3 Regiments
Total: 228,197 Troops---2472 Guns---1137 Vehicles
The Army was well supplied and the Navy as well as Army had been pounding the Allied postions for the last couple of days.
The troops were highly motivated, experienced, and prepped----FOR NOTHING!
Results: 0-1 (Modified AS Japan 2,127---Allies 3,566) Losses:
Japan 15,579---247 Guns---97 Vehicles
Allies 3,487---105 Guns---8 Vehicles
CRAP!
Without a hesitation, I shift gears to pulling troops out of the Rangoon garrision and prepare to send them to Bangkok and Hanoi.
Bangkok gets 1st and 3rd Tank Division as well as 2 Brigades
Hanoi gets 2 Tk Regiments and 2 Brigades
I will lower the AS in Rangoon from 4,800 to about 2,500 and that should be plenty (behind Sz-9 Forts) to hold indefinately. The High Command is completely aware of the fact that Rangoon is a deathtrap for armies since there is no place to retreat...once I see the AS in Rangoon from this pullout, I will move troops over to Moulmein until Rangoon settles at the 2,500 mark. As long as I control the air things are stable and OK.
Bangkok
The troops sent here will resupply and refit here and then lead an attack up the road driving towards Taung Gyi. Dan is trying to send a group of 3-4 Chinese Corps down the road towards Pisanouke. I have a large number of Construction Btns there trying desperately to raise the Forts there as fast as possible. The AS is only about 200 there and that is because I have moved my 2 Parachute Regiments there until help can arrive.
Hanoi
I am preparing for my China offensive and want to make sure Hanoi is secure as well as be able to threaten his city on the eastern border bear Hanoi. There are 4 full strength Inf Divisions there with an AV of 1,200+. The units sent from Rangoon will aid in holding the city as well as add a limited offensive threat. They will be mostly static and get a chance to rebuild there strength.
Yenen
I am planning to make a grab for this northern Chinese city as soon as I get my reinforcements. He only has 5 units controlling it right now and I have gathered a HQ unit, 2 Inf Div, 2 Mongolian Divisions, 2 Tk Regiments, and 1 Eng Reg. That MIGHT be enough (I doubt it) so I will wait for at least 3 more Inf Div before I launch the attack.
He appears to be totally concentrated in southern China. Perhaps this will give him something new to think about. If the attack draws any Chinese forces, then I will immediately launch my powerhouse attack in the south and see if I can catch him in the middle of a move...
Central Pacific
Canton
In an insane move (that is Mandrakeesque), Dan tried to establish a base just 3 hexes south of Canton. My CVE accidently spotted it when they plastered 3 APD that were trying to reinforce the atoll. I have been slowly eradicating the .dot hexes so I moved an SNLF to the atoll and took it. Another 1,000 US POW go to Japanese camps!
Jarvis
I think this is the name of the atoll between Canton and Christmas. Dan is building a base there to get closer to Canton. I have decided to make him THINK that I care about it and will send a potent Bombardment Force comprising 2 BC, 3 CA, 2 CL, and 8 DD to hit it. He has put P-38s there so I should be able to crush a few.
My CVE will go commerce raiding in this area next week and maybe catch a convoy...
Midway
Dan made a feint here and moved a group of TF with CVs to 5 hexes east of my base. He doesn't know that my planes there are set to ASW and I am preparing to withdraw 50% of the garrision! I taunted him with a 'BRING IT ON' email but he chose to back away. This is a good thing since I would have lost a serious number of aircraft had he bombarded the atoll! [8D][8D]
Australia
NOTHING is happening here and I love it. I just pulled another Inf Div and 2 Engineer Reg from the east coast. All the cites in Aussieland are still mine except Sydney, Melbourne, and Geelong. I am getting their supply and HI contributions to my economy and will gladly take it until the Aussies make serious move away from their bases.
I will post an Industrial Report/Victory Point monthly update tomorrow when I get a chance.
June 3, 1943
CBI Theatre
On June 2nd, the entire Japanese Army in Rangoon launched a Deliberate Attack against the Allied Army that has surrounded the city for several months. These were the major units used for the attack:
2 Army (Corps) HQ
Infantry Divisions: 16th, 19th, 21st, 31st, 48th, 55th
Armor: 1st Armored Division, 3rd Armored Division and 2 Regiments
Regiments/Brigades: 4
Artillery: 3 Regiments
Total: 228,197 Troops---2472 Guns---1137 Vehicles
The Army was well supplied and the Navy as well as Army had been pounding the Allied postions for the last couple of days.
The troops were highly motivated, experienced, and prepped----FOR NOTHING!
Results: 0-1 (Modified AS Japan 2,127---Allies 3,566) Losses:
Japan 15,579---247 Guns---97 Vehicles
Allies 3,487---105 Guns---8 Vehicles
CRAP!
Without a hesitation, I shift gears to pulling troops out of the Rangoon garrision and prepare to send them to Bangkok and Hanoi.
Bangkok gets 1st and 3rd Tank Division as well as 2 Brigades
Hanoi gets 2 Tk Regiments and 2 Brigades
I will lower the AS in Rangoon from 4,800 to about 2,500 and that should be plenty (behind Sz-9 Forts) to hold indefinately. The High Command is completely aware of the fact that Rangoon is a deathtrap for armies since there is no place to retreat...once I see the AS in Rangoon from this pullout, I will move troops over to Moulmein until Rangoon settles at the 2,500 mark. As long as I control the air things are stable and OK.
Bangkok
The troops sent here will resupply and refit here and then lead an attack up the road driving towards Taung Gyi. Dan is trying to send a group of 3-4 Chinese Corps down the road towards Pisanouke. I have a large number of Construction Btns there trying desperately to raise the Forts there as fast as possible. The AS is only about 200 there and that is because I have moved my 2 Parachute Regiments there until help can arrive.
Hanoi
I am preparing for my China offensive and want to make sure Hanoi is secure as well as be able to threaten his city on the eastern border bear Hanoi. There are 4 full strength Inf Divisions there with an AV of 1,200+. The units sent from Rangoon will aid in holding the city as well as add a limited offensive threat. They will be mostly static and get a chance to rebuild there strength.
Yenen
I am planning to make a grab for this northern Chinese city as soon as I get my reinforcements. He only has 5 units controlling it right now and I have gathered a HQ unit, 2 Inf Div, 2 Mongolian Divisions, 2 Tk Regiments, and 1 Eng Reg. That MIGHT be enough (I doubt it) so I will wait for at least 3 more Inf Div before I launch the attack.
He appears to be totally concentrated in southern China. Perhaps this will give him something new to think about. If the attack draws any Chinese forces, then I will immediately launch my powerhouse attack in the south and see if I can catch him in the middle of a move...
Central Pacific
Canton
In an insane move (that is Mandrakeesque), Dan tried to establish a base just 3 hexes south of Canton. My CVE accidently spotted it when they plastered 3 APD that were trying to reinforce the atoll. I have been slowly eradicating the .dot hexes so I moved an SNLF to the atoll and took it. Another 1,000 US POW go to Japanese camps!
Jarvis
I think this is the name of the atoll between Canton and Christmas. Dan is building a base there to get closer to Canton. I have decided to make him THINK that I care about it and will send a potent Bombardment Force comprising 2 BC, 3 CA, 2 CL, and 8 DD to hit it. He has put P-38s there so I should be able to crush a few.
My CVE will go commerce raiding in this area next week and maybe catch a convoy...
Midway
Dan made a feint here and moved a group of TF with CVs to 5 hexes east of my base. He doesn't know that my planes there are set to ASW and I am preparing to withdraw 50% of the garrision! I taunted him with a 'BRING IT ON' email but he chose to back away. This is a good thing since I would have lost a serious number of aircraft had he bombarded the atoll! [8D][8D]
Australia
NOTHING is happening here and I love it. I just pulled another Inf Div and 2 Engineer Reg from the east coast. All the cites in Aussieland are still mine except Sydney, Melbourne, and Geelong. I am getting their supply and HI contributions to my economy and will gladly take it until the Aussies make serious move away from their bases.
I will post an Industrial Report/Victory Point monthly update tomorrow when I get a chance.
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: Combat Report: June 3, 1943
Hey John,
I am playing the same scenario vs. Greasylake and it is my undieing hope that he never finds this AAR. You have played an excellant game. I think your efforts are a great example of a reasonable use of the "What If" factor for a Japanese player. You and Dan have played a great game. I only hope mine ends up being half as interesting.
As a follower of both yours and Dan's AAR's it gived me almost Godlike powers of being able to read both of your minds. I don't want to give anything away at all but there are some highly amusing moments to read each of your comments knowing what the other guy is thinking. I think when this game is done the two of you are going to have an absolute laughfest when you have the chance to read each other's AAR's
I am playing the same scenario vs. Greasylake and it is my undieing hope that he never finds this AAR. You have played an excellant game. I think your efforts are a great example of a reasonable use of the "What If" factor for a Japanese player. You and Dan have played a great game. I only hope mine ends up being half as interesting.
As a follower of both yours and Dan's AAR's it gived me almost Godlike powers of being able to read both of your minds. I don't want to give anything away at all but there are some highly amusing moments to read each of your comments knowing what the other guy is thinking. I think when this game is done the two of you are going to have an absolute laughfest when you have the chance to read each other's AAR's
"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry
RE: Combat Report: June 3, 1943
Vettim--Thanks for the thoughts. At times, it has appeared that we have been reading each other's minds! Dan has sold himself quite short as an Allied player but I think he is quite good. The only galring mistake he has made int he war was trying to take Wotje. Beyond that he has done everything possible to make my like Hell.
Getting ready to post my June 1, 1943 Industrial/VP Report.
Getting ready to post my June 1, 1943 Industrial/VP Report.
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
[font="times new roman"]June 1, 1943 [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Victory Points and Economic Summary[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Victory Points:[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Score[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Japan 42,195 (Up 1,013 Points)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Allies 15,138 (Up 632 Points)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]A surprisingly good month for the Japanese. I good chunk of that VP win for May was the USS Arizona[/i] sinking 10,000+ Ft of water east of Midway.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Ships Sunk[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Japan 332—2,653 VP (up 108)—Only 12 ships (4 warships lost) sunk during May. Exact losses were: 4 AK, 1 MSW, 2 AP, 1 TK, DDs Oyashio and Akigumo, and SS I-3 and I-27. [/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Major Japanese Vessels Sunk to Date---BB Fuso and Yamashiro, BC Kirishima, CAs Kinugasa and Kako, 5 CL, 28 DD (14 Modern DD lost), and 21 SS (17 I-Boats and 4 Ro-).[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Allies 547---7,000 VP (up 242)---Dan only lost 10 ships. Totals for the month were: 1 AK, 3 APD, 3 PT, USS Arizona[/i], and SS Scorpion and S-23.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Major Allied Vessels Sunk---CVs Enterprise, Lexington, Hornet, and Wasp, BBs Colorado, West Virginia, Idaho, Tennessee, Arizona, and Prince of Wales, 9 CA, 7 CL, 49 DD, and 13 SS.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Manchukuo Garrison---8,112---Down 117---(8,000 Needed)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Political Points---2,447[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Units Transferred: [/font]
[font="times new roman"]China 104th Infantry Division to 4th Fleet[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Industrial Report[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Supply 2,560,299[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Fuel 1,004,590[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Manpower 857 (1,169,592)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Heavy Industry 15,166 (2,034)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Resources 20,794 (2,208,470)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Oil 2085 (736,888)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Much BETTER numbers over the previous month. Supply jumped 160,000 and fuel climbed 60,000. Encouragingly my Oil stockpile also went up by 150,000. If this can happen for a few months in a row then I think we are OK. There are two large convoys currently unloading in Osaka right now (June 5th) and they will help with continuing to raise those numbers.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Shipyards[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Naval 1,366 (0) [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Merchant 981 (9)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Repair 1,508[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Battleships[/font][/i]
[font="times new roman"]Musashi (197 Days) [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Ise (109 Days) [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Hyuga (120 Days)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Carriers[/i] [/i][/font]
[font="times new roman"]Unryu (34 Days)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Amagi (105 Days)--Accelerated[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Katsuragi (453 Days). [/font]
[font="times new roman"]CVL Chitose (102 Days)--Accelerated[/font]
[font="times new roman"]CVL Chiyoda (158 Days)--Accelerated[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Upgraded Kaga[/i] this month and shifted Unryu[/i] to normal build so Musashi[/i] could get back to being finished.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore. Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Weapons[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Armament 572 (81,745)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Vehicles 171 (3,530)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Big jump in weapon stockpiles here. Will need all of it as I get my massive reinforcement wave in the middle of June.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Aircraft[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Engines 2,068[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Assembly 1,173+(871-Rd)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]I shifted about 40 Helen back to Sally to take pressure off of my Nakajima engine demand. This should also help get my bomber Sentai filled out more quickly as well.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Engine Production[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Mitsubishi 610/Month—Need 376—1,912 in Pool[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Nakajima 1,238(61)—Need 1,146---0 in Pool[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Kawasaki 200---Need 190---6 in Pool[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Aichi 20---Need 0---284 in Pool[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Good jump in Nakajima production this month. Expect to start seeing the pooling pick-up in this area by next report.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Plane Production[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]A6M2 0 (52)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]A6M3 96 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]A6M3a 167 (27)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Oscar 0 (436)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Oscar IIa 58 (21)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tojo 76 (25)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tony 190 (162)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Jack 109-R (10/43)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Still having major problems getting my fighter production ahead of losses. Zeros are a major problem…[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Bombers[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Betty 34 (299)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Sally 40 (3)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Helen 131 (8)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Lily 114 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Nick-a 27 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Nick-b 12 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Val 32 (488)—I shut down Val production and shifted it to Kate.[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Kate 79 (109)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]I took very few losses and have managed to get my Daitai and Sentai back to—more or less—full strength. The units I disbanded in March, April, and May are starting to reform in the Home Islands. This will probably take another month’s production to fill them out as well.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Recon/Float[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Emily 20 (48)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Alf 0 (33)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Pete 0 (71)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Pete A 0 (54)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Rufe 6 (6)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Glen 4 (35)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Dinah 0 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Irving-R 35 (6)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Irving-S 23 (4)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Jake 8 (74)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Babs 0 (94)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Am running low on several recon planes and am having to watch this area for the first time. [/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Transports[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tina 10 (36)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Sally 0 (25)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Topsy 20 (14)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Mavis-L 5 (21)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tabby 10 (68)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Have replenished nearly all my transport units and will keep production rolling for another month or two.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Victory Points and Economic Summary[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Victory Points:[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Score[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Japan 42,195 (Up 1,013 Points)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Allies 15,138 (Up 632 Points)[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]A surprisingly good month for the Japanese. I good chunk of that VP win for May was the USS Arizona[/i] sinking 10,000+ Ft of water east of Midway.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Ships Sunk[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Japan 332—2,653 VP (up 108)—Only 12 ships (4 warships lost) sunk during May. Exact losses were: 4 AK, 1 MSW, 2 AP, 1 TK, DDs Oyashio and Akigumo, and SS I-3 and I-27. [/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Major Japanese Vessels Sunk to Date---BB Fuso and Yamashiro, BC Kirishima, CAs Kinugasa and Kako, 5 CL, 28 DD (14 Modern DD lost), and 21 SS (17 I-Boats and 4 Ro-).[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Allies 547---7,000 VP (up 242)---Dan only lost 10 ships. Totals for the month were: 1 AK, 3 APD, 3 PT, USS Arizona[/i], and SS Scorpion and S-23.[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Major Allied Vessels Sunk---CVs Enterprise, Lexington, Hornet, and Wasp, BBs Colorado, West Virginia, Idaho, Tennessee, Arizona, and Prince of Wales, 9 CA, 7 CL, 49 DD, and 13 SS.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Manchukuo Garrison---8,112---Down 117---(8,000 Needed)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Political Points---2,447[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Units Transferred: [/font]
[font="times new roman"]China 104th Infantry Division to 4th Fleet[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Industrial Report[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Supply 2,560,299[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Fuel 1,004,590[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Manpower 857 (1,169,592)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Heavy Industry 15,166 (2,034)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Resources 20,794 (2,208,470)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Oil 2085 (736,888)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Much BETTER numbers over the previous month. Supply jumped 160,000 and fuel climbed 60,000. Encouragingly my Oil stockpile also went up by 150,000. If this can happen for a few months in a row then I think we are OK. There are two large convoys currently unloading in Osaka right now (June 5th) and they will help with continuing to raise those numbers.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Shipyards[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Naval 1,366 (0) [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Merchant 981 (9)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Repair 1,508[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Battleships[/font][/i]
[font="times new roman"]Musashi (197 Days) [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Ise (109 Days) [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Hyuga (120 Days)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Carriers[/i] [/i][/font]
[font="times new roman"]Unryu (34 Days)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Amagi (105 Days)--Accelerated[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Katsuragi (453 Days). [/font]
[font="times new roman"]CVL Chitose (102 Days)--Accelerated[/font]
[font="times new roman"]CVL Chiyoda (158 Days)--Accelerated[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Upgraded Kaga[/i] this month and shifted Unryu[/i] to normal build so Musashi[/i] could get back to being finished.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore. Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Weapons[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Armament 572 (81,745)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Vehicles 171 (3,530)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Big jump in weapon stockpiles here. Will need all of it as I get my massive reinforcement wave in the middle of June.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Aircraft[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Engines 2,068[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Assembly 1,173+(871-Rd)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]I shifted about 40 Helen back to Sally to take pressure off of my Nakajima engine demand. This should also help get my bomber Sentai filled out more quickly as well.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Engine Production[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Mitsubishi 610/Month—Need 376—1,912 in Pool[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Nakajima 1,238(61)—Need 1,146---0 in Pool[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Kawasaki 200---Need 190---6 in Pool[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Aichi 20---Need 0---284 in Pool[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Good jump in Nakajima production this month. Expect to start seeing the pooling pick-up in this area by next report.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Plane Production[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]A6M2 0 (52)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]A6M3 96 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]A6M3a 167 (27)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Oscar 0 (436)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Oscar IIa 58 (21)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tojo 76 (25)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tony 190 (162)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Jack 109-R (10/43)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Still having major problems getting my fighter production ahead of losses. Zeros are a major problem…[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Bombers[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Betty 34 (299)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Sally 40 (3)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Helen 131 (8)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Lily 114 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Nick-a 27 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Nick-b 12 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Val 32 (488)—I shut down Val production and shifted it to Kate.[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Kate 79 (109)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]I took very few losses and have managed to get my Daitai and Sentai back to—more or less—full strength. The units I disbanded in March, April, and May are starting to reform in the Home Islands. This will probably take another month’s production to fill them out as well.[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Recon/Float[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Emily 20 (48)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Alf 0 (33)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Pete 0 (71)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Pete A 0 (54)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Rufe 6 (6)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Glen 4 (35)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Dinah 0 (0)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Irving-R 35 (6)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Irving-S 23 (4)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Jake 8 (74)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Babs 0 (94)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Am running low on several recon planes and am having to watch this area for the first time. [/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Transports[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tina 10 (36)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Sally 0 (25)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Topsy 20 (14)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Mavis-L 5 (21)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Tabby 10 (68)[/font]
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[font="times new roman"]Have replenished nearly all my transport units and will keep production rolling for another month or two.[/font]
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Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore. Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.
Don't know about Big B's mod but in stock Mk 14 Dud rate is 80% from 12/41 to 1/43. Then it is 60% from 1/43 to 9/43 where it drops to 10%. If that is the same in Big B, your misery is just starting
"We have met the enemy and they are ours" - Commodore O.H. Perry
RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
Don't I just know it!
I just sent Dan my June 9th turn and we SHOULD have had a CV Battle in the IO. I have Junyo/Hiyo and 2 CVL operating SW of Ceylon and they reacted (Adm Nagumo) to a Brit set of CVs (looks like all 3) but then NOTHING happened! No planes flew from either side at a range of 4...
We'll see what happens with the upcoming turn. Will post when I see it and know more!
Banzai! [:'(][:'(]
I just sent Dan my June 9th turn and we SHOULD have had a CV Battle in the IO. I have Junyo/Hiyo and 2 CVL operating SW of Ceylon and they reacted (Adm Nagumo) to a Brit set of CVs (looks like all 3) but then NOTHING happened! No planes flew from either side at a range of 4...
We'll see what happens with the upcoming turn. Will post when I see it and know more!
Banzai! [:'(][:'(]
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
Oh - it's quite the same as stock ...
ORIGINAL: vettim89
My better ASW PG are coming online and I have accelerated the first batch of 6-8 so I can from 2 strong ASW TF to start hunting Allied SS above Singapore. Dan’s SS are truly becoming a pain.
Don't know about Big B's mod but in stock Mk 14 Dud rate is 80% from 12/41 to 1/43. Then it is 60% from 1/43 to 9/43 where it drops to 10%. If that is the same in Big B, your misery is just starting
RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
OK John,you didn't run, so what do you think will happen?
Junyo/Hiyo and 2 CVLs.....That is IIRC 160 A/C, around 70 Zeros, 34 Vals, and 58 Kates. The Vals won't count for too much, as they will probably target the RN CV's, and the bombs will bounce.
If you think he has 3 RN CV's, that's around 50 fighters (Wildcats?), and 45 or so strike planes.
I can't remember in Big-B what he has by now. Whether you win or not probably depends on what type of A/C he is packing. You're playing on his turf though, I would have run if I were you. But that's just me![:D]
Junyo/Hiyo and 2 CVLs.....That is IIRC 160 A/C, around 70 Zeros, 34 Vals, and 58 Kates. The Vals won't count for too much, as they will probably target the RN CV's, and the bombs will bounce.
If you think he has 3 RN CV's, that's around 50 fighters (Wildcats?), and 45 or so strike planes.
I can't remember in Big-B what he has by now. Whether you win or not probably depends on what type of A/C he is packing. You're playing on his turf though, I would have run if I were you. But that's just me![:D]
RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
I ordered a retreat due south but if dan wants, there will be a battle. I split my CVs into 2 TF with Junyo/Hiyo, 2 CA, 5 DD in one and 2 CVL, 1 CA, and 4 DD. My CAP is set for 50% so that should give me about 35-35 for my Zero mix.
Am sure that he has the British version of Wildcats right now. Should be a good fight! I know his CVs are in separate TF so we can hope one heck of an exchange...
Just got the turn and it is his last of the day. I will run it at my leisure so I can watch the bombs (and better yet TTs [:D][:D]) fall...
Am sure that he has the British version of Wildcats right now. Should be a good fight! I know his CVs are in separate TF so we can hope one heck of an exchange...
Just got the turn and it is his last of the day. I will run it at my leisure so I can watch the bombs (and better yet TTs [:D][:D]) fall...
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: June 1943 Industrial/VP Report
Played the turn but NOTHING happened! I was within five hexes of the Brits but no launch. I am beginning to think he is playing that damned STUPID Allied tactic of stay close enough so I can have LBA help my POOR CV FIGHTERS! Goodness...I hate that crap...
Member: Treaty, Reluctant Admiral and Between the Storms Mod Team.
RE: China, China, China
I have had mostly frustrating engagements with RN CVs. I met 3 off India with almost the same force you have, the 2 "CVMs", and a couple CVLs. After two days, I had scored 1 torp hit, had alot of aircraft lost to flak. He lost all but 2 planes (!) in Air to Air and ran. Completely inconclusive. Lost of Val hits that just bounced off the RN decks.
IO CV Battle???
Well...Dan was up late and sent me an email regarding life--namely my excitement I've been going through--and I taunted him about not wanting to engage and probably relying on Army LBA to protect his poor British CVs. The way he reacted proved that I was totally correct!
Told him it was gamey and I would never do something like that myself. He replied ohhhh...gamey like invading Australia...my response was "this isn't an invasion of Australia. We have a misunderstanding here. That was just a fact-finding mission on a goodwill tour!"
I think he might make a move now and come on in! I am sure he was supplementing his CAP with P-38s. My CVs (now in 2 TF) are moving due east from the Maldives towards Sumatra. Fuel is getting low and I am headed for home. If he wants to fight the next turn will be it. My exact air strength is:
Junyo 19Z--19V--13K
Hiyo 17Z--17V--17K
Zuiho 18Z--12K
Shoho 18Z--12K
Totals: 72Z--36V--54K
I figure that he has either 3 CV @ 45 planes each (25-30F and 15TB) for 135 planes---75 to 90 F and 45 TB or he has 2 CV and Hermes. It is my hope that the later is what is involved...
Prediction: If Dan does move in and we get a fight, I will lose 2 CV in exchange for 2 Brit CVs. Probably have an even trade. He is closer to a home port while I am far away. We'll see what tomorrow brings...
Told him it was gamey and I would never do something like that myself. He replied ohhhh...gamey like invading Australia...my response was "this isn't an invasion of Australia. We have a misunderstanding here. That was just a fact-finding mission on a goodwill tour!"
I think he might make a move now and come on in! I am sure he was supplementing his CAP with P-38s. My CVs (now in 2 TF) are moving due east from the Maldives towards Sumatra. Fuel is getting low and I am headed for home. If he wants to fight the next turn will be it. My exact air strength is:
Junyo 19Z--19V--13K
Hiyo 17Z--17V--17K
Zuiho 18Z--12K
Shoho 18Z--12K
Totals: 72Z--36V--54K
I figure that he has either 3 CV @ 45 planes each (25-30F and 15TB) for 135 planes---75 to 90 F and 45 TB or he has 2 CV and Hermes. It is my hope that the later is what is involved...
Prediction: If Dan does move in and we get a fight, I will lose 2 CV in exchange for 2 Brit CVs. Probably have an even trade. He is closer to a home port while I am far away. We'll see what tomorrow brings...
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RE: IO CV Battle???
Why is it gamey to use LBA to protect his TFs if LBA is in range? [&:] Do you think that a couple of hundred fighters/bombers somewhere would just sit 150 miles (or whatever the range is) off a major TF and they would do nothing to protect the ships?
IMO this would be the same if you would call it gamey that Overlord was protected by lots of land based fighters and not by carrier based fighters alone. The game decreases land based LRCAP over a carrier TF by 50% anyway.
IMO this would be the same if you would call it gamey that Overlord was protected by lots of land based fighters and not by carrier based fighters alone. The game decreases land based LRCAP over a carrier TF by 50% anyway.
RE: IO CV Battle???
Why is it gamey to use LBA to protect his TFs if LBA is in range?
i think he was being ironic...
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castor troy
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RE: IO CV Battle???
ORIGINAL: rtrapasso
Why is it gamey to use LBA to protect his TFs if LBA is in range?
i think he was being ironic...
sorry, that´s a known problem of a non-native-speaker (me) [:(]