Diablo 2

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

They made better games in the old days...

Nah! You just think they're better. Just try it: pick up some old game, say Pacific War, and see if it's any as good as, say War in the Pacific.

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

They made better games in the old days... Diablo, TIE Fighter, Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, Strike Commander, X-Com, Wasteland, Darklands, Pirates... Ah, memories...

Strike Commander was the best flight sim ever!

Having to pay for my own ordinace taught me to bomb with cheap dumb iron bombs and dogfight with the cannon.

Those high tech munitions were just too damned expensive.

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

They made better games in the old days... Diablo, TIE Fighter, Baldur's Gate, Planescape: Torment, Strike Commander, X-Com, Wasteland, Darklands, Pirates... Ah, memories...

NWN1 is better than Torment and Baldurs Gate at least. Tho NWN2 was a bit dire.

And there is a really active modding community, some of the player made modules are really good. Better than the core game in fact.

[Terminus]

ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

ORIGINAL: Terminus

They made better games in the old days...

Nah! You just think they're better. Just try it: pick up some old game, say Pacific War, and see if it's any as good as, say War in the Pacific.

They made better games in the old days. I played every one of the games I quoted in that post to death, and have yet to see many games that reach to their levels. I played Pacific War for many years before picking up WitP, so don't talk down to me.

[cdbeck]

Is it that they made better games, or that all of the ideas and the mechanics were new back then, so everything was so fresh and original. Now it is rehash city! The games I really play a lot today are the ones that seem innovative - so many many indie titles are on my desktop.

I believe I had a thread about this a LONG time ago now) several months back. The problem I think I see is that developers decided to go with accessibility (i.e. dumb down) rather than create games that cater to certain direct markets. So everything has to be "easy" or apparent - click once for this sword, click once for this spell. The also tend to be more about action these days than about thought, exploration, discovery, and invention. Thinking back on Starflight or Star Control II, you didn't have an automap, you didn't have sign posts telling you to "go here." You had to make your own way.

Man, it has been a long time since a good space flight sim too. The X3 series is just too bogged down with poor UI to make it truly epic (otherwise it would be awesome).

SoM

[orwell]

I've never understood why Diablo II got such a reputation, tried it once and it seemed as generic as pretty much any other RPG. I liked the first baldurs gate a lot, didn't care as much for the second one and the way they redid the map, NWN was ok. Didn't finish it.

[terje439]

most fun I had with the Diablo games was actually coop Diablo (1) on PS

[sullafelix]

Well you can look at computer games like TV shows. 70's were police shows every hour every channel. I seemed to have missed the eighties and nineties. Now it's all CSI type shows as the reality shows start to wind down. Same in movies. one game, movie, show is a hit and then come all the copycats. I hate Commnad and Conquer for all the rts games it made developers think they could make money on. I have never seen one of those rts wargames that wasn't a piece of crap. I'm talking the clickfests not just a rts time game.

[105mm Howitzer]

I agree with you, Sulla05, but then again, I think it's basically every generation has it's game. I talk to the C & C crowd ( among other RTS genre) and they have no clue why we tripped out on those older games. For myslef, I have no patience with any RTS or FPS either.

[Kuokkanen]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

ORIGINAL: Matti Kuokkanen

ORIGINAL: Terminus

They made better games in the old days...

Nah! You just think they're better. Just try it: pick up some old game, say Pacific War, and see if it's any as good as, say War in the Pacific.

They made better games in the old days. I played every one of the games I quoted in that post to death, and have yet to see many games that reach to their levels. I played Pacific War for many years before picking up WitP, so don't talk down to me.

See what Son_of_Montfort said, play that PacWar again, and then say whether it's better than WitP or not. Same goes for Civilization serie. What else... oh yes, I like Dawn of War better than C&C, though it's not as great as Total Annihilation, but Supreme Commander would beat them all if my PC would have balls for it.

Man, it has been a long time since a good space flight sim too.

Is it really that long from release of Starshatter 5: The Gathering Storm?

[andym]

Just got the Diablo 2 Expansion,lord of destruction,seems to hve lots more goodies and stuff.