Forlorn Hopes: The Japanese Respond
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RE: Act I: Scirmishers Deploy!
I have no problem admitting that I have a WitP problem. [:D] I've been in the same boat, John. [8D]
Mike
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RE: Act I: Scirmishers Deploy!
Hi!!
My name is Mike and I've been a WitP addict for three years. 


My name is Mike and I've been a WitP addict for three years.



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Hi my name is John, I have a WitP addiction, and I have LOST the entire American Fleet for a period of TWO days now...

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Oh where, Oh where have the Americans Gone?--Part 1
The Title says it all...


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Oh where, Oh where have the Americans Gone?--Part 2
Northern half of the area...


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Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Combat Report
September 27-28, 1943
With a great sigh of relief, the American Fleet was spotted returning to the Iwo Jima area on the 28th. The High Command was in a near panic over losing track of it for two days. Will not happen again!
The Bonins
Normal story here. I hit Tori Shima and Chichi Jima everyday.
Iwo Jima I am surprised that Iwo's Port hasn't risen to 3 yet. It went to 2 about 3 weeks ago but hasn't changed yet.
KB Raid
My little raid against Dan's ships moving eastward really did the trick. My least experienced CV Division (Amagi and Unryu) got in 2 days of strikes against AK, LST, and MLEs. Add the 100+ Betty jumping in and things worked pretty well. There have only been 5 confirmed sinkings so far but at least another 12 ships took Torpedo hits.
I was pretty panicy that I might lose these two CV if the Americans suddenly appeared but that isn't the case. I was going to send them on to Tokyo to link-up with the BB Hybrids but have ordered them to Marcus and then Saipan.
Dan reversed course with all his ships and they are going back to Iwo Jima! [:D] I wonder if this is why he brought back his CVs and Battlefleet? It appeared that he was going to land somehwere but this is not happening now. I think the timing of my Raid was very beneficial...
The KB
I upgraded another Daitai to Zekes on the 28th. I want to launch my assault but will wait for the return of Unryu and Amagi and THEN attack! Perhaps I should say expose the Fleet and then CRUSH his inbound air strikes!
SS Action
Japanese
My SS are scoring on Dan's ships going east and then west. The SS attacking are all Glen-SS with so-so Captains. I don't like losing my Glen-equipped subs so I never put an aggressive skipper on them. At any rate my SS have hit 2 AK and a DD in the last two days for no damage.
American
Dan has yet to pull his SS out of the Marianas area and REALLY paid for it on the 28th! Three S-Boats moved into the waters around Saipan and TRULY got nailed. Two hit mines and three were hit by LBA. The Americans lost S-36 and S-44 and will probably lose S-42. I know that these are old boats but with the two comfirmed sinkings, I have sunk 6 boats this month and hit another 15-20 with strong ASW TF or LBA.
Economy
I was quite pleasantly surprised to see the second model of the Tony go into production on the 25th of September. Until this Mod I always thought that these things happen at the beginning of the month. With the older Tony factories auto-upgrading, I shifted nearly 100 research into Franks. Would love to get them a few months early as well. The new Tony will be brought into areas of highest need. Since I have bnearly 325 a month planned, I should be able to upgrade pretty fast.
My BB-Hybrids will be available in a few days. There are 11 DD in Tokyo Bay at the moment to aide them. Will have to see what I can come up with.
Playing
Dan leaves for a week's vacation tomorrow and I am taking my family up to the mountains for Sat-Sun-Mon. I share this so no one gets concerned over no new postings for a few days. [X(][X(]
When I return, Michael is going to help me with Tracker and I wil do a comprehensive military, industrial, and strategic update during the week.
Have a good weekend everyone!
September 27-28, 1943
With a great sigh of relief, the American Fleet was spotted returning to the Iwo Jima area on the 28th. The High Command was in a near panic over losing track of it for two days. Will not happen again!
The Bonins
Normal story here. I hit Tori Shima and Chichi Jima everyday.
Iwo Jima I am surprised that Iwo's Port hasn't risen to 3 yet. It went to 2 about 3 weeks ago but hasn't changed yet.
KB Raid
My little raid against Dan's ships moving eastward really did the trick. My least experienced CV Division (Amagi and Unryu) got in 2 days of strikes against AK, LST, and MLEs. Add the 100+ Betty jumping in and things worked pretty well. There have only been 5 confirmed sinkings so far but at least another 12 ships took Torpedo hits.
I was pretty panicy that I might lose these two CV if the Americans suddenly appeared but that isn't the case. I was going to send them on to Tokyo to link-up with the BB Hybrids but have ordered them to Marcus and then Saipan.
Dan reversed course with all his ships and they are going back to Iwo Jima! [:D] I wonder if this is why he brought back his CVs and Battlefleet? It appeared that he was going to land somehwere but this is not happening now. I think the timing of my Raid was very beneficial...
The KB
I upgraded another Daitai to Zekes on the 28th. I want to launch my assault but will wait for the return of Unryu and Amagi and THEN attack! Perhaps I should say expose the Fleet and then CRUSH his inbound air strikes!
SS Action
Japanese
My SS are scoring on Dan's ships going east and then west. The SS attacking are all Glen-SS with so-so Captains. I don't like losing my Glen-equipped subs so I never put an aggressive skipper on them. At any rate my SS have hit 2 AK and a DD in the last two days for no damage.
American
Dan has yet to pull his SS out of the Marianas area and REALLY paid for it on the 28th! Three S-Boats moved into the waters around Saipan and TRULY got nailed. Two hit mines and three were hit by LBA. The Americans lost S-36 and S-44 and will probably lose S-42. I know that these are old boats but with the two comfirmed sinkings, I have sunk 6 boats this month and hit another 15-20 with strong ASW TF or LBA.
Economy
I was quite pleasantly surprised to see the second model of the Tony go into production on the 25th of September. Until this Mod I always thought that these things happen at the beginning of the month. With the older Tony factories auto-upgrading, I shifted nearly 100 research into Franks. Would love to get them a few months early as well. The new Tony will be brought into areas of highest need. Since I have bnearly 325 a month planned, I should be able to upgrade pretty fast.
My BB-Hybrids will be available in a few days. There are 11 DD in Tokyo Bay at the moment to aide them. Will have to see what I can come up with.
Playing
Dan leaves for a week's vacation tomorrow and I am taking my family up to the mountains for Sat-Sun-Mon. I share this so no one gets concerned over no new postings for a few days. [X(][X(]
When I return, Michael is going to help me with Tracker and I wil do a comprehensive military, industrial, and strategic update during the week.
Have a good weekend everyone!

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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Enjoy your weekend, John! [8D]
Mike
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
What do you mean when you say you shifted 100 R&D points to the Frank? Does this mean you created 100 Frank factories? If so this burns about 1,000 HI and 110,000 tons of supply. Seems kinda wasteful.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
ORIGINAL: Nemo121
What do you mean when you say you shifted 100 R&D points to the Frank? Does this mean you created 100 Frank factories? If so this burns about 1,000 HI and 110,000 tons of supply. Seems kinda wasteful.
no it does not. R&D does NOT use up a single HI point!
RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Yes, to convert them costs nothing in HI, but to expand them, the HI costs = the number expanded * 10 (which is what I think Nemo was saying[&:]ORIGINAL: castor troyno it does not. R&D does NOT use up a single HI point!ORIGINAL: Nemo121
What do you mean when you say you shifted 100 R&D points to the Frank? Does this mean you created 100 Frank factories? If so this burns about 1,000 HI and 110,000 tons of supply. Seems kinda wasteful.
RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Hmm, so are you telling me that if I build 300 Frank factories in 1942 I pay only 3,000 HI but NO supplies whereas if I build those 300 Frank factories at a time when the Frank is in service it will cost those 3,000 HI PLUS 330,000 tons of supply?
That sounds kinda crazy and logically inconsistent ( which probably means it is true given how this game sometimes works [:D] )
P.s. I do understand that converting costs nothing.
That sounds kinda crazy and logically inconsistent ( which probably means it is true given how this game sometimes works [:D] )
P.s. I do understand that converting costs nothing.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Correct Nemo. R&D "repair" costs no supply.
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
ORIGINAL: n01487477
Yes, to convert them costs nothing in HI, but to expand them, the HI costs = the number expanded * 10 (which is what I think Nemo was saying[&:]ORIGINAL: castor troyno it does not. R&D does NOT use up a single HI point!ORIGINAL: Nemo121
What do you mean when you say you shifted 100 R&D points to the Frank? Does this mean you created 100 Frank factories? If so this burns about 1,000 HI and 110,000 tons of supply. Seems kinda wasteful.
I must have misunderstood that and stand corrected.
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
Correct Nemo. R&D "repair" costs no supply.
I have never heard this. So, based on this, all R&D factories should be set to repair correct?
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg
ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
Correct Nemo. R&D "repair" costs no supply.
I have never heard this. So, based on this, all R&D factories should be set to repair correct?
Absolutely!
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
ORIGINAL: Mike Solli
Correct Nemo. R&D "repair" costs no supply.
Are you sure about it?
I mean: did you make or have you seen any tests proofing it?
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
I didn't test it personally, but I did see the results of the test. Can't remember who did it unfortunately.
The closest thing I did to a test was to turn off all R&D and run a turn. Then I reran the turn with all R&D on. No difference in supply.
The closest thing I did to a test was to turn off all R&D and run a turn. Then I reran the turn with all R&D on. No difference in supply.
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Yes, and I can confirm it too ... have tested it only quickly, but the results seem to confirm what Mike is saying ... R&D costs no supply, when repairing & when producing ...[edit] but as always, I'll do some other tests and get back to all of you ...
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RE: Combat Report: Sept 27-28, 1943
Yeah, if this is true then from Day 1 of the game Japan should just expand the production of ALL 1943 and onwards fighters to something like 1000 planes each secure in the knowledge that it won't cost any supply and will just bring all these planes in 3 months earlier and with MASSIVE initial production runs.
Really seems like a major design oversight.
Really seems like a major design oversight.
John Dillworth: "I had GreyJoy check my spelling and he said it was fine."
Well, that's that settled then.
Well, that's that settled then.








