AE Map, Base, Economic Issues [OUTDATED]

[JeffroK]

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]
 
AB, 
Have you seen the series of booklets issued in WW2 which covered the terrain and characteristics of various points of the Pacific, and has maps of the areas??   I saw about 50 in the collection, had a quick read of the Manila booklet which had population details, industry etc about 50 pages.  The booklets are about 6" X 3".
The ones I saw were at Deakin Uni Geelong, if you, or anyone else is interested I could get the titles next weekend.
 
 

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: JeffK
AB,
Have you seen the series of booklets issued in WW2 which covered the terrain and characteristics of various points of the Pacific, and has maps of the areas?? I saw about 50 in the collection, had a quick read of the Manila booklet which had population details, industry etc about 50 pages. The booklets are about 6" X 3".
The ones I saw were at Deakin Uni Geelong, if you, or anyone else is interested I could get the titles next weekend.

No I haven't heard of these. Sounds very interesting! If you are able to borrow one or two I would be very interested to see them. You work in Southbank don't you? Might have to arrange a "business" lunch...

Andrew

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: Skyland

A drydock (lenght 160m, depth 9.5m, width 22m) was build in Saigon in 1885 as well as some ship repair facilities (French Arsenal de Saigon).
The drydock and facilities are still in use nowadays : 10°47'7.00"N, 106°42'35.00"E in Google Earth.

Will AE have those facilities?

Thx

Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew

Saigon harbor facilities were controlled by japanese and used for exportation from Indochina to Japan (rice, rubber, tin, coal, manganese).
Saigon was also used as a stage for merchants convoys from Singapore to Japan.

I see no reason for the japanese not to use the drydock itself if needed.

Drydock in use (1931)

[Alexander Seil]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]

I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: Skyland

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: Skyland

A drydock (lenght 160m, depth 9.5m, width 22m) was build in Saigon in 1885 as well as some ship repair facilities (French Arsenal de Saigon).
The drydock and facilities are still in use nowadays : 10°47'7.00"N, 106°42'35.00"E in Google Earth.

Will AE have those facilities?

Thx

Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew

Saigon harbor facilities were controlled by japanese and used for exportation from Indochina to Japan (rice, rubber, tin, coal, manganese).
Saigon was also used as a stage for merchants convoys from Singapore to Japan.

I see no reason for the japanese not to use the drydock itself if needed.

Drydock in use (1931)

Saigon drydock in construction (1886)

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: Alexander Seil

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]

I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.

Please explain more, apart from the disinclination to take japanese prisoners, who were disinclined to allow themselves to be captured, I find very little organised and officially sanctioned maltreatment, starvation & outright murder of japanese POW.

Always willing to learn a bit more.

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: JeffK
AB,
Have you seen the series of booklets issued in WW2 which covered the terrain and characteristics of various points of the Pacific, and has maps of the areas?? I saw about 50 in the collection, had a quick read of the Manila booklet which had population details, industry etc about 50 pages. The booklets are about 6" X 3".
The ones I saw were at Deakin Uni Geelong, if you, or anyone else is interested I could get the titles next weekend.

Andrew,

I've bailed out of the city and now have a 7 minute drive from home, sheer luxury!!!

I'll be back at Deakin on the weekend, I'll see if I can troll up the titles on the catalogue. (I'm sure they were US Army booklets, many about the Phillipines)

No I haven't heard of these. Sounds very interesting! If you are able to borrow one or two I would be very interested to see them. You work in Southbank don't you? Might have to arrange a "business" lunch...

Andrew

[Flying Tiger]

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ORIGINAL: Alexander Seil


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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]

[/blockquote]

I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.

[/blockquote]


Please explain more, apart from the disinclination to take japanese prisoners, who were disinclined to allow themselves to be captured, I find very little organised and officially sanctioned maltreatment, starvation & outright murder of japanese POW.

Always willing to learn a bit more. 

 
 
I'm with Jeff on this one - what do you (Alexander) know about Allied mistreatment of Jap POWs?? I know of some very 'nice' (relatively speaking) prison camps for Jap POWs around rural Aus. And  i know that generally the Japanes soldiers chose not to surrender, but have not heard much (any??) about Jap POWs being mistreated. Please enlighten us!
 

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: Flying Tiger

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ORIGINAL: Alexander Seil


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ORIGINAL: JeffK

Supresses thoughts about how the japanese used and abused their POW's[:@]

[/blockquote]

I assume you already suppressed any thought about the Allied treatment of Japanese POWs? There's hardly much evidence for the Allies having a high moral horse to sit on, in the Pacific at least [8|]

Although, it's rather unfortunate that many operational wargames ignore this issue. Certainly, shepherding, organizing, directing POW's to the camps and guarding them took up a lot of time and effort, although more so in Europe than in the Far East.

[/blockquote]


Please explain more, apart from the disinclination to take japanese prisoners, who were disinclined to allow themselves to be captured, I find very little organised and officially sanctioned maltreatment, starvation & outright murder of japanese POW.

Always willing to learn a bit more. 

I'm with Jeff on this one - what do you (Alexander) know about Allied mistreatment of Jap POWs?? I know of some very 'nice' (relatively speaking) prison camps for Jap POWs around rural Aus. And  i know that generally the Japanes soldiers chose not to surrender, but have not heard much (any??) about Jap POWs being mistreated. Please enlighten us!

I'm not with any of you on this topic. Crosses the line into politics. Take it elsewhere please. [:-]

[Skyland]

ORIGINAL: Skyland

ORIGINAL: Skyland

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown




Interesting. I had no idea this existed. Was it used at all by the Japanese?

Andrew

Saigon harbor facilities were controlled by japanese and used for exportation from Indochina to Japan (rice, rubber, tin, coal, manganese).
Saigon was also used as a stage for merchants convoys from Singapore to Japan.

I see no reason for the japanese not to use the drydock itself if needed.

Drydock in use (1931)

Saigon drydock in construction (1886)

Postwar picture (not dated)

[Andrew Brown]

Thanks for the pics and info Skyland

Andrew

[Flying Tiger]

JeffK

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Hey Jeff, thought you were in Vic? But it sure is'nt raining here a whole lot!!!

[JeffroK]

AB,
 
The booklets I was talking about are as follows
 
[font="times new roman"]ALLIED GEOGRAPHICAL SECTION[/font]
[font="times new roman"]SWPA[/font]
[font="times new roman"]TERRAIN HANDBOOK (About 50 in the series)[/font]
[font="times new roman"]Published about 11/44[/font]
[font="times new roman"] [/font]
[font="times new roman"]Chapter headings[/font]
[font="times new roman"]INTRO & GENERAL DESCRIPTION[/font]
[font="times new roman"]DESCRIPTION OF COASTLINE & LANDING BEACHES[/font]
[font="times new roman"]ROADS & TRAILS[/font]
[font="times new roman"]AIRFIELDS, POSSIBLE AIRFIELD SITES & SEAPLANE LANDING PLACES[/font]
[font="times new roman"]PHISIOGRAPHY & VEGETATION[/font]
[font="times new roman"]POPULATION, ADMINISTRATION & TOWNS[/font]
[font="times new roman"]TRANSPORTATION & SIGNAL COMMUNICATIONS[/font]
[font="times new roman"]RESOURCES[/font]
[font="times new roman"]MEDICAL PROBLEMS[/font]
[font="times new roman"]METEOROLOGICAL[/font]
[font="times new roman"][/font] 
[font="times new roman"]I looked at the Manila & Manila City booklets, lots of maps & photos. Does your map show the Dewey Blvd Airfield?????[/font]
[font="times new roman"]They cover all of the coasts fought over by the SWPA.[/font]
[font="times new roman"][/font] 
[font="times new roman"]If you want some specific info let me know.[/font]
 

[JeffroK]

AB,
 
A further recce,
 
They also have the folio size map binders, not able to be borrowed but I could copy them.
 
Approx 100 in the shelves, they cover a wider area than the booklets, one was for the Kanto plain!
 
Jeff

[Charbroiled]

I was wondering if ship traffic is still going to be allowed between India and Sri Lanka in AE. These 2 land masses are connected by "Adam's Bridge" (Rama's Bridge) and is only 3 to 30 feet in depth. Historically, it is only navigatable by small crafts.

It can easily be seen using Google Earth.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama's_Bridge

[treespider]

ORIGINAL: Charbroiled

I was wondering if ship traffic is still going to be allowed between India and Sri Lanka in AE. These 2 land masses are connected by "Adam's Bridge" (Rama's Bridge) and is only 3 to 30 feet in depth. Historically, it is only navigatable by small crafts.

It can easily be seen using Google Earth.

More info: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rama's_Bridge

No.

[Cap Mandrake]

The Burma Road between Lashio and Kunming does not cross the Red River as shown on the standard WITP map....or if it does it was a smaller tributary. It does cross the Salween and Mekong (Lancang) which were significant obstacles. In fact, I think what is labeled the Red River is actually the Mekong.

Is this corrected in AE?

[bradfordkay]

Since it was corrected on Andrew Brown's map as used in CHS, I expect that it will be correct in AE.

[Andrew Brown]

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Burma Road between Lashio and Kunming does not cross the Red River as shown on the standard WITP map....or if it does it was a smaller tributary. It does cross the Salween and Mekong (Lancang) which were significant obstacles. In fact, I think what is labeled the Red River is actually the Mekong.

Is this corrected in AE?

Yes it is corrected in AE. The Burma Road crosses the Salween and the Mekong (which gets short shrift on the stock map), and not the Red River. As bradfordkay mentioned I corrected this on my WitP 1 map as well.

Andrew

[Cap Mandrake]

ORIGINAL: Andrew Brown

ORIGINAL: Cap Mandrake

The Burma Road between Lashio and Kunming does not cross the Red River as shown on the standard WITP map....or if it does it was a smaller tributary. It does cross the Salween and Mekong (Lancang) which were significant obstacles. In fact, I think what is labeled the Red River is actually the Mekong.

Is this corrected in AE?

Yes it is corrected in AE. The Burma Road crosses the Salween and the Mekong (which gets short shrift on the stock map), and not the Red River. As bradfordkay mentioned I corrected this on my WitP 1 map as well.

Andrew

Ah, thank you sir. It appears I am late to the party.

BTW...is it just me or does anyone else think the Sierra Nevada and the moutains on Formosa are too silver/grey?
Perhaps it is just the sharp demarcation at the hex border that is jarring

In contrast, the mountians in Yunan province are absolutely beautiful. Are there two kinds of mountain terrain? The map of SE Asia is absolutely beautiful. The roads and rail graphics are great.