NIGHT BOMBING

[Japan]

RAF Statistic shows that the Brittish in 1944 could manage to get 1,025 of 100 Bombs to hit a indistrual Complex Target with Night Bombing, will this feture be adjusted to more realistic levels in AE ?

Reference 'World at War' by Thems.

[Terminus]

Nobody seriously tried to perform precision night bombing in Europe or the Pacific. They picked an aim-point and poured HE and incendiaries over it. If the aim-point was destroyed, this was a fortuitous happenstance. You can't compare day and night bombing.

[Japan]

Of course..

With night bombing you had to gestimate were and when to dropp the bombs, but wirh day bombing you usualy could see your target when the automated bombsight dropped the bombs...



But Night Bombing and the use of it, for example that it is impossible to send in a formation...., ánd because of it it was a singel aircraft approaching the target at any time only and not a formation.. ... will this be moddeled in AE?

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: Japan

1,025 of 100 Bombs to hit a indistrual Complex

Reference 'World at War' by Thems.

Well if Thems says 1000 of 100 of anything did anything - then I want some of what he is smokin'!
[:D]

[Gem35]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: Japan

1,025 of 100 Bombs to hit a indistrual Complex

Reference 'World at War' by Thems.

Well if Thems says 1000 of 100 of anything did anything - then I want some of what he is smokin'!
[:D]

Don't bogart that my friend.[;)]

[Terminus]

I think (in his defence) that Japan meant to say 1.025% of bombs dropped.

[Gem35]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

I think (in his defence) that Japan meant to say 1.025% of bombs dropped.

T defending someone, refreshing! [;)]

[Terminus]

Hey, what are you inferring?[:'(]

[Gem35]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Hey, what are you inferring?[:'(]

that I respect the heck outta you my good friend.[:)]

[Japan]

Sorry if im unclere, its meant as  1,025% ...   So aproksemetly -   1 bomb of 100 bombs,  sorry in Europa we use the  ,  (decimal) to indicate whats behind a whole number, like 1,0 for "One Point Zero" sorry for the mix up.



Thems referes to,  1.025% of 100 Bombs,  so  Ruhfly   1  bomb of 100 Bombs hit the intended target on Night Bombings most tecnicly advansed phase with Electronic Target Indicaters, H2S Ground Target Radar, Fast Moving Moscitos and F's doing Manual Target Identefication with Flares and Red Lightening Smoke, Early VOR Omidirectional Aierial Navigation Signals, and more.. to indicate dropp points ect for the Bombers ect ect... and not to mantion, the Allied RADIO Grid system, Electronicly indicating on a Electro Radar Map in each plane the Drop Points ect ect... and with all this tecnical equicmant in (1944)  the effect was in avverage, slightly above  1 Bomb hit pr 100 dropped bombs.

The 8000 Pound 'Coocky' carried by the in avverage 750 Lancasters pr mission, is some 6 000 000 Pounds of Ordenence dropped pr mission.
Of this ordonance, arround 632 000 Pounds actualy hit the intended target.  Of course, some of the other ordenence who missed the intended target... often hit other targets, civilen areas or simuler causing dammage in other ways then the intended one...


Stil a hit rate of only 1% is very small... and I wounder if the AE will simulate the Night Bombing well... of NO formation attacks, (only singel aircrafts over the target at any time) and the low effectivety of the Raids and fairly high casultyes to the so many 'singel Charlies' of the RAF Bomber Command?

[spence]

The B-29s burned most or at least many Japanese cities to the ground mostly at night...it would seem that if one adjusts the night bombing percentages to reflect the probability of hitting specific targets then Japanese cities will end up invulnerable to a fate that they historically suffered.

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: spence

The B-29s burned most or at least many Japanese cities to the ground mostly at night...it would seem that if one adjusts the night bombing percentages to reflect the probability of hitting specific targets then Japanese cities will end up invulnerable to a fate that they historically suffered.

I Fully Agree with you, but there is a very important fact you need to include here.
The Japanese Citys was often made of Wood, Lumber ect, this burned down, and the Allies used alot of AX90 Fire Bombs when attacking this citys. The Industry however did not burn to the Ground due ot Night Bombing.

Hitting a City is no Problem, and this form for Terror Bombing should have an effect on national Morale, and the inhabetants housing, not so large effect on Industry, as the only Industry who would get dammaged would be the industry hit by exident.. or couincidense.

For Targeting Industry at Night, you should get less then 1 Bomb hit pr 100 Bomb, as the US Night Bombing Tecnology was faaar behind the British one, and the British had arround 1 Bomb hit pr 100 Bomb.

Additionaly, the Radio Grind System, and Electronic Target Guidence based on Radio Signels transmitting a Radar Picture to the planes flying Night missions, was not availeble to the US, and it had fairly short range, and were only used in the European Theater, so the Actual Night Bombing for Industry Targets by the Americans should be something like 0,5 bomb hits pr 100 bomb instead (like British early war), as thay had litterly poor Night Bombing Tecnology.
The Omidirectional Bearing Indicator the US used was a Guidence to the Target Area, but was less accurate and was relying on the lead planes abilety to 'gestimate' target location, based on the few landmarks (rivers, some mountens, cost lines ect) that was viseble at night.. The US could not effectivley attack a Factory or Assambly Line Facilety at Night, but rather only a Target as Large as an Entire City or simuler.

HOWEVER the Bombing of Citys in General should of course be effective, as thats basikly just to attack a City at will, with NO specific Target other then the City in General, this may hit industry as well, but by couincidense and not due to aiming.



-Reference: Night Bombing Tecnology of WW2, Night Bombing and RDF, World at War - by Thems

[wernerpruckner]

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Nobody seriously tried to perform precision night bombing in Europe or the Pacific. They picked an aim-point and poured HE and incendiaries over it. If the aim-point was destroyed, this was a fortuitous happenstance. You can't compare day and night bombing.

????

it depends on what you would call precision bombing ?? [a single factory, a single building in a factory complex, or you count only laser guided as precise.....but also there with only a success rate of below 80% )



in the second half of 44 and in 45 the British flew several night missions vs small targets - often much more precise than the US and also often with less bombers.

Post war analysis showed that the British raids against industrial targets did much severe damage compared to the 8th and 15th AF - most of the time with fewer A/C. ( one of the reasons were the different bomb load of BC A/Cs, with much heavier and therefore more destructive bombs)

you can even go as far as to say that the US forces went from precision bombing to area bombing and the British did vice versa ( there are major exceptions to that....but if you look to lots of data you will see it )

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: Japan

1,025 of 100 Bombs to hit a indistrual Complex

Reference 'World at War' by Thems.

Well if Thems says 1000 of 100 of anything did anything - then I want some of what he is smokin'!
[:D]

Joe, in Europe (and I guess Japan) the "," is what "." is in USA - the decimal separator... [;)]


Leo "Apollo11"