Well, as you can see the changes seem to work. Josh did play a little(and little means little) 'sloppy' as he himself said, by not blowing every bridge etc, but nothing that could effect a normal game this much. Usually the Axis reach the Soviet main line on turn 10, and then spend 20 turns trying to break it...it takes a minimum of 10-15 to actually gain a breakthrough and by then the mud is so close the axis have practically lost the game..this time the first brekathrough came in one turn, and the remaining lines are collapsing in 3-4 turns.
Of course I have another game as Sovies going on and we'll see what happens there. Not to mention what happens once the russkies can throw in their winter offensive...I can say though, much more interesting that the vanilla version.
Fire in the East, once again
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RE: Prepare to be surprised
Turns 15-18:
On turn 15 the Germans finally manage to achieve a breakthrough in Leningrad, only a few hexes wide and the Soviets still managed to block it, but it signalled the beginning of the end for Leningrad defenders. On top of this the Soviets could not spare any reinforcements to the area, and only had one or two fresh divisions left. Nothing to turn the tide with...even the fresh division were reduced to mere shadows of their former self after a turn or two of fighting. Not that my units were in any better condition, but luckily I had at least some more reserves.
On turn 16 I decided that it was time for a major air operation, and landed several brandenburger and FJ units behind enemy lines. The plan was to help me achieve that final brekathrough in my effort to encircle and destroy the defenders of Leningrad. The breakthrough and the landings went well, but then I had an early turn ending and couldn't exploit the succes. But on the other hand the enemy didn't seem to have anything to counter-attack with. A turn later the Fallschimjägers would then happily venture to the city of Novay Ladoga and cut the remaining supplylines of the soviet defenders.
In the Center the Russians managed to stop the breakthrough, but still every line they managed to build up was crushed like the previous ones. Apparently aware of this the enemy had already begun to build another line around Moscow. I decided to make a forced march to the Don with some infantry, while placing the panzer and panzergrenadier divisions on rest in order to prepare for an attack towards Moscow from south. They had to deal with roadblocks first though, but after that it would be time for the final assault.
Turn 16 was a turn of succes for Central Front, as the remaining enemy resistance was now ready to be pocketed. The early turn ending stopped this, but at least the enemy units were succesfully engaged, which meant they couldn't retreat even though the encirclement wasn't complete.
Thanks to still having some fresh forces in reserve I managed to advance quickly to engage the second line of enemy resistance. While these units conducted spoiling attacks the majority of my units had a little rest&refit to prepare for a breakthrough.
In the South things were great. Well, apart from Odessa where the enemy even managed to counter-attack and destroy some rumanian and hungarian units. Otherwise it was a mop up operation and advance with recon elements towards Rostov. In Kharkov pocket alone nearly 20 enemy division met their fate.
The enemy decided to sacrifice some lone divisions in order to slow down my advance, but the vast space of Southern Russia allowed for me to simply bypass these units and leave the mopping for infantry to do. The Soviets concentrated on building a new line in Rostov-Voroshilovgrad axis. I decided that at this point the most important goal is Moscow, and placed some infantry and panzer divisions to rest in order to be moved to that region. Also I figured that with the pressure there, the enemy canno't send too many reinforcements to the Southern front, and I still should have enough forces to break through the enemy ranks once more.
On turn 15 the Germans finally manage to achieve a breakthrough in Leningrad, only a few hexes wide and the Soviets still managed to block it, but it signalled the beginning of the end for Leningrad defenders. On top of this the Soviets could not spare any reinforcements to the area, and only had one or two fresh divisions left. Nothing to turn the tide with...even the fresh division were reduced to mere shadows of their former self after a turn or two of fighting. Not that my units were in any better condition, but luckily I had at least some more reserves.
On turn 16 I decided that it was time for a major air operation, and landed several brandenburger and FJ units behind enemy lines. The plan was to help me achieve that final brekathrough in my effort to encircle and destroy the defenders of Leningrad. The breakthrough and the landings went well, but then I had an early turn ending and couldn't exploit the succes. But on the other hand the enemy didn't seem to have anything to counter-attack with. A turn later the Fallschimjägers would then happily venture to the city of Novay Ladoga and cut the remaining supplylines of the soviet defenders.
In the Center the Russians managed to stop the breakthrough, but still every line they managed to build up was crushed like the previous ones. Apparently aware of this the enemy had already begun to build another line around Moscow. I decided to make a forced march to the Don with some infantry, while placing the panzer and panzergrenadier divisions on rest in order to prepare for an attack towards Moscow from south. They had to deal with roadblocks first though, but after that it would be time for the final assault.
Turn 16 was a turn of succes for Central Front, as the remaining enemy resistance was now ready to be pocketed. The early turn ending stopped this, but at least the enemy units were succesfully engaged, which meant they couldn't retreat even though the encirclement wasn't complete.
Thanks to still having some fresh forces in reserve I managed to advance quickly to engage the second line of enemy resistance. While these units conducted spoiling attacks the majority of my units had a little rest&refit to prepare for a breakthrough.
In the South things were great. Well, apart from Odessa where the enemy even managed to counter-attack and destroy some rumanian and hungarian units. Otherwise it was a mop up operation and advance with recon elements towards Rostov. In Kharkov pocket alone nearly 20 enemy division met their fate.
The enemy decided to sacrifice some lone divisions in order to slow down my advance, but the vast space of Southern Russia allowed for me to simply bypass these units and leave the mopping for infantry to do. The Soviets concentrated on building a new line in Rostov-Voroshilovgrad axis. I decided that at this point the most important goal is Moscow, and placed some infantry and panzer divisions to rest in order to be moved to that region. Also I figured that with the pressure there, the enemy canno't send too many reinforcements to the Southern front, and I still should have enough forces to break through the enemy ranks once more.
RE: Prepare to be surprised
And here are turns 1 to 18:
RE: Fire in the East, once again
Sorry, didnt know that this would be misplaced relative to what I wanted to comment upon.
RE: Fire in the East, once again
Turns 19-21:
Northern Front:
After the enemy front had been pierced in Smolensk, Bryansk and in Kharkov, the enemy could no longer spare reinforcements into Leningrad. The capure of Novay Ladoga(removes supply from Leningrad) was the final blow, and with it the enemy defences collapsed within few turns. The city itself fell on turn 20, and with it fell the defences of the whole Northern Front.
Now that the finns were free to move and act as they saw fit, it was time for some new plans. With 10 turns left there was still time to complete these pans aswell. First mission is to encircle and possibly cpature the cities of Archanglesk(-5 supply) and Murmansk(5% replacement decrease). Then advance towards the city of Volodga in order to shorten the frontline considerably, and to also threathen Gorkiy and Moscow from the north.
Turn 19:
Turn 21:
Vologda:
Central Front:
After clearing out the remaining enemy forces, which were not all that numerous, the units had some rest and preprared for the second push, with the goal being Moscow. It was still some 150 kilometres away, but with fresh troops and worn out enemy defences, it should prove to be easy to capture the city. Some units were sent northeast to advance along the Volga towards the city of Yaroslavl and Vologda to link up with Northern Front. Their mission was to simply establish a defensive line in the area, and recon for enemy activity in the area.
On turn 21 all was finally set for the major offensive. Some troops had already been doing spoiling attacks, but soon the whole front, some 300 kilometres in lenght, would join the assault and crush those poor little workers. And with the fall of Leningrad we now even had some reserves to throw in once the enemy resistance was worn out.
Southern Front:
There is not much to report from South. Well, except for the fact that all our attacks against Odessa have been failures. The enemy managed to counter-attack and wiped out several divisions...our casualties here must be somewhere along 15 divisions now. Sounds horrible, but truth be told, our casualties elsewhere have not been much ligher...loss penalties now are 100 for Axis, 397 for Soviets.
Northern Front:
After the enemy front had been pierced in Smolensk, Bryansk and in Kharkov, the enemy could no longer spare reinforcements into Leningrad. The capure of Novay Ladoga(removes supply from Leningrad) was the final blow, and with it the enemy defences collapsed within few turns. The city itself fell on turn 20, and with it fell the defences of the whole Northern Front.
Now that the finns were free to move and act as they saw fit, it was time for some new plans. With 10 turns left there was still time to complete these pans aswell. First mission is to encircle and possibly cpature the cities of Archanglesk(-5 supply) and Murmansk(5% replacement decrease). Then advance towards the city of Volodga in order to shorten the frontline considerably, and to also threathen Gorkiy and Moscow from the north.
Turn 19:
Turn 21:
Vologda:
Central Front:
After clearing out the remaining enemy forces, which were not all that numerous, the units had some rest and preprared for the second push, with the goal being Moscow. It was still some 150 kilometres away, but with fresh troops and worn out enemy defences, it should prove to be easy to capture the city. Some units were sent northeast to advance along the Volga towards the city of Yaroslavl and Vologda to link up with Northern Front. Their mission was to simply establish a defensive line in the area, and recon for enemy activity in the area.
On turn 21 all was finally set for the major offensive. Some troops had already been doing spoiling attacks, but soon the whole front, some 300 kilometres in lenght, would join the assault and crush those poor little workers. And with the fall of Leningrad we now even had some reserves to throw in once the enemy resistance was worn out.
Southern Front:
There is not much to report from South. Well, except for the fact that all our attacks against Odessa have been failures. The enemy managed to counter-attack and wiped out several divisions...our casualties here must be somewhere along 15 divisions now. Sounds horrible, but truth be told, our casualties elsewhere have not been much ligher...loss penalties now are 100 for Axis, 397 for Soviets.
RE: Fire in the East, once again
Central Front, turn 22-32:
Well, I'm breaking the format since Norther Front no longer exists. Anyways, the following happens between turns 22-32
With the first soviet defensive line now being completely crushed in every direction...well apart from Odessa...the soviets were struggling to build a new one. Especially since the fighting went on as my forces continue to push for Moscow. I had by now concentrated most, if not all, artillery units in Moscow, which gave my forces some punching power. On top of this, majority of panzergrenadier and panzer division were concentrated here aswell.
The plan was simple, just push through and capture Moscow. There were no encirclements planned, the goal was to push back or destroy every single unit the soviets placed in the line. This would force them to place even more units there...simply destory line after line through constant attacks.
Of course, my casualties were not gonna be light...but the prize would be worth it.
So, on turn 22 I set out to carry the first round of attacks, as I said until now there had been mostly spoiling attacks. I didn't of course commit all my forces yet, I left some infantry and armor in reserve for the future turns.
But anyways, the first round of attacks were succesful, as the enemy resistance was crushed everywhere it was met. Of course this kind of fighting, 4-8 rounds of combat per turn, burns out the defending as well as the attacking units. And at this point I didn't really have anything left to rebuild my units with...all my heavy rifle squad replacements went to reconstituting destroyed units...
Turn 22:
The results were as planned, the enemy was forced to reinforce Moscow, and I would simply crush the next line again. At the meantime my units were also advancing along the Volga river. However, I did not place any significant units here, I simply wished to gain good positions for the winter.
The enemy had pretty much nothing in here, since everything here was going to the defence of Moscow. A few divisions and regiments were guarding bridges.
Volga river, turn 23:
A small opportunity to expand the attack east represented itself on turn 23, but I decided not to do this. Although the area was open, there was little to gain there. My target was Moscow, and I had to push there with everything I had.
I did capture the town of Ryazan though a few turns later, but withdrew from there once I had destroyed the industry.
Ryazan, turn 23:
The enemy pushed even more reinfocements here, but it only slowed the mighty axis war machine down a bit. I was still able to advance as I had planned, 1 or 2 hexes per turn all along the front. This even though there seemed to be at least 1 or 2 Soviet tank brigades in every hex.
Even crossing the Ugra river, which was in the way of the 'southern offensive' proved to be quite easy. All thanks to the massive firepower. However, casualties kept mounting..and while the soviet casualties mounted faster, and althought the had by this point lost quite a few industrial cities, they could still replace those casualties. I on the other hand found more and more units that had one third or half of their strenght left...but in full supply and readiness. Would this be a pyrrhic victory? Would the Axis war machine be able to regain it's former strenght?
Turn 25:
And as the forces grew tired, I threw in some fresh panzer while freeing up some other for rest. Also worth noting that at this point my artillery started to get crowded...I had some 9 hexes stacked full of artillery, and as expected they did quite some damage.
And while I still had fresh units to throw in, my enemy did not. Or so I thought, until I discovered that a couple of Guard divisions had arrived to the rescue of the city. Those would prove to be harder to kill than a full stack of other units.
Situation on turn 27:
The tank brigades were also quite difficult to handle, even more so as they begun to stack up. A rifle division backed up by a tank brigade could be defeated, but a hex full of tank brigades started to be a bit harder...since all they had left were tanks, and artillery is pretty much useless against tanks in TOAW.
This meant that my own tank units needed to give a few hard punches...which also ment they were gonna take some hard casualties.
Turn 28, 35th Panzer regiment...or what's left of it:
Meanwhile a bit north from Moscow, Vologda and Yaroslav that is, I decide to advance a bit as the enemy has no defences in the area. Also probaply worht mentioning that much further north, Archanglesk and Murmansk are completely cut off...they will be going once I can somehow get more troops there.
As I said, those guard division were a bitch to deal with. Even when so close to Moscow, one of them stops my advance for a complete turn. I manage to wear it down, but it wears my forces down as well.
Luckily I managed to destroy the Soviet Northern Front all those turns ago and the 8th Panzer Division which ha now rested enough to gain full supply and readiness is sent to the rescue. It should be able to make the final push.
On turn 30 thus, the city of Moscow finally falls. The enemy is unable to counter-attack with his worn out troops. I stop my offensive here aswell, and only do a couple more limited attacks.
And with turn 32 the mud arrives, and thus all fighting stops.
Situation at the end of turn 32:
See the panzer untis in that screenshot? Each stack is a separate division. And yes, one of those stacks only has a HQ unit and an Engineer unit left.
Now, since Moscow fell the Soviets got quite a few penalties. First of all their rail capacity fell to 6000. Which is excellent for me. They lost 20% production aswell(but still outproduce me...).
However, something I didn't actually remember happened aswell: Turks joined the Axis. While I do welcome the 5% increase in replacements...the turks I don't welcome so much. They will probaply be more of a burden really. I figure I have to send 10 or so divisions there to build up a strong enough line.
Also, I discovered a bug...tha Axis Bonus tanks are set to arrive by event 500...I used that event to increase Soviet air shock...in the vanilla FitE it is not used. So thus, I now have some 750 Panthers sitting in Berlin. The Soviets also gained some bonus fleets thanks to this.
No biggie though, we just let them sit there...funnily enough though, I don't even have any untis that could receive panther as replacements.
Well, I'm breaking the format since Norther Front no longer exists. Anyways, the following happens between turns 22-32
With the first soviet defensive line now being completely crushed in every direction...well apart from Odessa...the soviets were struggling to build a new one. Especially since the fighting went on as my forces continue to push for Moscow. I had by now concentrated most, if not all, artillery units in Moscow, which gave my forces some punching power. On top of this, majority of panzergrenadier and panzer division were concentrated here aswell.
The plan was simple, just push through and capture Moscow. There were no encirclements planned, the goal was to push back or destroy every single unit the soviets placed in the line. This would force them to place even more units there...simply destory line after line through constant attacks.
Of course, my casualties were not gonna be light...but the prize would be worth it.
So, on turn 22 I set out to carry the first round of attacks, as I said until now there had been mostly spoiling attacks. I didn't of course commit all my forces yet, I left some infantry and armor in reserve for the future turns.
But anyways, the first round of attacks were succesful, as the enemy resistance was crushed everywhere it was met. Of course this kind of fighting, 4-8 rounds of combat per turn, burns out the defending as well as the attacking units. And at this point I didn't really have anything left to rebuild my units with...all my heavy rifle squad replacements went to reconstituting destroyed units...
Turn 22:
The results were as planned, the enemy was forced to reinforce Moscow, and I would simply crush the next line again. At the meantime my units were also advancing along the Volga river. However, I did not place any significant units here, I simply wished to gain good positions for the winter.
The enemy had pretty much nothing in here, since everything here was going to the defence of Moscow. A few divisions and regiments were guarding bridges.
Volga river, turn 23:
A small opportunity to expand the attack east represented itself on turn 23, but I decided not to do this. Although the area was open, there was little to gain there. My target was Moscow, and I had to push there with everything I had.
I did capture the town of Ryazan though a few turns later, but withdrew from there once I had destroyed the industry.
Ryazan, turn 23:
The enemy pushed even more reinfocements here, but it only slowed the mighty axis war machine down a bit. I was still able to advance as I had planned, 1 or 2 hexes per turn all along the front. This even though there seemed to be at least 1 or 2 Soviet tank brigades in every hex.
Even crossing the Ugra river, which was in the way of the 'southern offensive' proved to be quite easy. All thanks to the massive firepower. However, casualties kept mounting..and while the soviet casualties mounted faster, and althought the had by this point lost quite a few industrial cities, they could still replace those casualties. I on the other hand found more and more units that had one third or half of their strenght left...but in full supply and readiness. Would this be a pyrrhic victory? Would the Axis war machine be able to regain it's former strenght?
Turn 25:
And as the forces grew tired, I threw in some fresh panzer while freeing up some other for rest. Also worth noting that at this point my artillery started to get crowded...I had some 9 hexes stacked full of artillery, and as expected they did quite some damage.
And while I still had fresh units to throw in, my enemy did not. Or so I thought, until I discovered that a couple of Guard divisions had arrived to the rescue of the city. Those would prove to be harder to kill than a full stack of other units.
Situation on turn 27:
The tank brigades were also quite difficult to handle, even more so as they begun to stack up. A rifle division backed up by a tank brigade could be defeated, but a hex full of tank brigades started to be a bit harder...since all they had left were tanks, and artillery is pretty much useless against tanks in TOAW.
This meant that my own tank units needed to give a few hard punches...which also ment they were gonna take some hard casualties.
Turn 28, 35th Panzer regiment...or what's left of it:
Meanwhile a bit north from Moscow, Vologda and Yaroslav that is, I decide to advance a bit as the enemy has no defences in the area. Also probaply worht mentioning that much further north, Archanglesk and Murmansk are completely cut off...they will be going once I can somehow get more troops there.
As I said, those guard division were a bitch to deal with. Even when so close to Moscow, one of them stops my advance for a complete turn. I manage to wear it down, but it wears my forces down as well.
Luckily I managed to destroy the Soviet Northern Front all those turns ago and the 8th Panzer Division which ha now rested enough to gain full supply and readiness is sent to the rescue. It should be able to make the final push.
On turn 30 thus, the city of Moscow finally falls. The enemy is unable to counter-attack with his worn out troops. I stop my offensive here aswell, and only do a couple more limited attacks.
And with turn 32 the mud arrives, and thus all fighting stops.
Situation at the end of turn 32:
See the panzer untis in that screenshot? Each stack is a separate division. And yes, one of those stacks only has a HQ unit and an Engineer unit left.
Now, since Moscow fell the Soviets got quite a few penalties. First of all their rail capacity fell to 6000. Which is excellent for me. They lost 20% production aswell(but still outproduce me...).
However, something I didn't actually remember happened aswell: Turks joined the Axis. While I do welcome the 5% increase in replacements...the turks I don't welcome so much. They will probaply be more of a burden really. I figure I have to send 10 or so divisions there to build up a strong enough line.
Also, I discovered a bug...tha Axis Bonus tanks are set to arrive by event 500...I used that event to increase Soviet air shock...in the vanilla FitE it is not used. So thus, I now have some 750 Panthers sitting in Berlin. The Soviets also gained some bonus fleets thanks to this.
No biggie though, we just let them sit there...funnily enough though, I don't even have any untis that could receive panther as replacements.
RE: Fire in the East, once again
And btw. tomorrow I am leaving for a vacation, and will be gone for 2 weeks. So you gotta wait a bit for the next update 
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Question: What graphic mode is this? And where i can dl it?
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It's actually a bunch of graphic mods which I have mixed together.
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Could you please tell which ones? Cos those graphics looks smooth!
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RE: Fire in the East, once again
just an OT question
Where do i download this scenario?
Or is it with the orginal scenarios
Where do i download this scenario?
Or is it with the orginal scenarios
RE: Fire in the East, once again
No, it's a modified scenario. Not sure where to get it but maybe Steve knows.
RE: Fire in the East, once again
Steve?
Anyways, give me your email and I'll send it to you. It has not however been thoroughly tested, in fact this is the only test, so some bugs may appear. Anyways, it is way easier for the Axis and is ment against experienced soviet player(who in the original can easily win with the 'fall back for a line' strategy).
Anyways, give me your email and I'll send it to you. It has not however been thoroughly tested, in fact this is the only test, so some bugs may appear. Anyways, it is way easier for the Axis and is ment against experienced soviet player(who in the original can easily win with the 'fall back for a line' strategy).
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RE: Fire in the East, once again
What turn are you guys on? Is the game over already? No updates for a while. ????
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RE: Fire in the East, once again
Karri sent me an email around turn 36 that he was going away for a few weeks, that was back in July, I haven't heard from him since.