So why isn't Gili Gili called Milne Bay?

[JohnK]

THIS GAME SUX!!! I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY CALL MILNE BAY GILI GILI! UNLESS THEY CHANGE THE NAME I WANT A REFUND! WHAT KIND OF SILLY NAME IS GILI GILI?




But seriously...strikes me as a bit odd. Every history I've read calls the place Milne Bay, and from histories that have interviews Allied military personnel called it Milne Bay as well.

I have no idea what the Japanese called it.

[dgaad]

I personally think the correct name is Dgaad Bay.

[Supervisor]

Originally posted by JohnK
But seriously...strikes me as a bit odd. Every history I've read calls the place Milne Bay, and from histories that have interviews Allied military personnel called it Milne Bay as well.

I have no idea what the Japanese called it.

Milne Bay is the name of the bay. Gili Gili is the name of the town/base/port (whatever).

I've seen Noumea called "New Caledonia" many times in histories as well. Just choices in nomenclature, methinks.

[1089]

Originally posted by dgaad
I personally think the correct name is Dgaad Bay.

I'll go along with this, if you will agree to move PM from hex 10,40 to hex 10,89.

kp

[Von_Frag]

Where is Cape Gloucester New Britain?




Frag

[Supervisor]

Originally posted by Von_Frag
Where is Cape Gloucester New Britain?




Frag

I think they call it Sag Sag.

[FirstPappy]

Originally posted by Rowlf

I think they call it Sag Sag.

Isn't that the place where they have a Club Med staffed by elderly Playboy and Penthouse models?

[Ching Lee]

While the subject is still warm, where's that little island that McHale and the crew of the PT-73 hung out on? Shouldn't that be in included in the game?

[FirstPappy]

Yeah! And how come Capt. Binghamton isn't included anywhere???

[dgaad]

And what about LBJ? He visited the theater for a few days, when he was a Senator from Texas. I think he should be there. Mainly, so I can get him killed.

[dgaad]

Originally posted by Ching Lee
While the subject is still warm, where's that little island that McHale and the crew of the PT-73 hung out on? Shouldn't that be in included in the game?

Wherever that boat is deployed should result in an automatic 25% increase in disruption for any units of either side.

[Von_Frag]

Originally posted by dgaad
And what about LBJ? He visited the theater for a few days, when he was a Senator from Texas. I think he should be there. Mainly, so I can get him killed.

Yeh, didn't the plane he was riding on get lost and land in some farmers field? He managed to get himself awarded a Navy Cross or some such medal for that.

Frag

[dgaad]

Originally posted by Von_Frag



Yeh, didn't the plane he was riding on get lost and land in some farmers field? He managed to get himself awarded a Navy Cross or some such medal for that.

Frag

Yes he did get a medal for his visit. Typical LBJ. Typical politician. Disgraceful.

[dgaad]

Okay I found some info on LBJ's visit in Australia.

This is the most objective site I can find on the incident that won him the medal. He didn't do jack, but he was a politician, so he got himself a medal so he could go back a hero.

http://home.st.net.au/~dunn/tow9.htmLYNDON BAYNES JOHNSON

There's actually a small book on the subject called "The Mission that Never Was". AAC mission record logs report the plane Johnson said he was flying in (number 1488) actually had engine trouble and returned to base before engaging any enemy.

This is LBJ's own diary entry from two days before the mission that resulted in the medal : ""Saterday, June 6, 1942: Up at 4:30. Left Brisbane 6:20AM en route to Townsville. Arrived Rockhampton people wearing shorts, Soldiers guarding plane B-17s in shorts. Stubby cut over country. Little vegetation. River circles through. Arrived MacKay -- small shock (city population 50,000) says guards in shorts. 10:00 AM left MacKay 10:15 AM, won half pound from Steve pitching dollars. 1:30 PM near Townsville. See our planes shooting at target ship on water. 11:00 AM circling airport, Townsville. See many of our big planes -- airport only few yards from water -- long level runways -- hills around water -- new construction. Hot now. We are at warm North having come from cold South. Arrived Townsville airport 11:45 AM. Dummy planes all over field. Met by Army car. Departed Townsville Sunday June 7 at 1.00 PM for Charters Towers."

Here is the Squadron commander's log for the mission :

MISSION TOW 9
June 8 & 9, 1942.


AIRCRAFT & PILOTS

Hq. Sq., 1437 Lt. Hayes, 1516 Lt. Flint, 1508 Lt. Bench, 2nd Sq., 1392 Capt. Ewbank, 1422 Lt. Crosson, 1480 Lt. McIver, 19th Sq., 1488 Lt. Greer, 1303 Lt. Powell, 1496 Lt. Hatch, 1433 Lt. Krell, 1537 Lt. Stanwood.

DEPARTED TOWNSVILLE By 1330L/S. Ship 1516 returned due to mechanical trouble, departed again by 1445L/S.

ARRIVED MORESBY Eleven ships arrived by 1746L/S.

TARGET

Destroy aircraft and supporting ground facilities from wharf area to Connels house Lae aerodrome. Attack to be at 1000L/9 after B-17 and B-25 attack

BOMB LOAD Thirty 100lb demolition instantaneous fuse.

TAKE OFF MORESBY By 0851L/9.

SHIPS RETURNED & REASON 1488 by 1008 engine trouble

TIME OVER TARGET 1002L/9.

RESULTS


Three hundred 100lb demolition instantaneous from five to eleven thousand feet on Salamaua. 1422 dropped 28 bombs on Isthmus. 1392 dropped 24 bombs on native buildings in trees, balance? in sea at Salamaua. 1480 most of bombs on runway. 1437 bombs on native buildings in trees and some in sea. 1516 bomb from edge timber along edge of Isthmus last four in sea. 1363 all bombs in water. 1496 some in sea most on bungalows on Isthmus. Results large fires seen eastern half of Isthmus. Military intelligence later reported schooner sunk just off Salamaua.


INTERCEPTION

B-25's pursued by ten zeros met flight on way to target. B-25's were south east of intended course. Zeros left B-25's and attacked flight. Later number of zero's increased to twenty. Attacked from front sides and rear. One zero down in flames. One had prop shot off, another probable. Ship 1363 left wing shot up hydraulic system out, crash landed 7 mile. Aircraft repairable. Ship 1508 Lt. Bench seen to crash in sea thirty miles from coast south of Salamaua. Ship 1422 large hole tip of port wing. Ship 1516 twenty mm cannon shell in wing and seven point seven bullet holes in prop and fuselage. Ship 1400 cannon shell in elevator. Ship 1433 two holes in tail. Tail gunner Gundling bullet wound in right shoulder, not serious. Met fighter escort at Cape Ward Hunt took zero's off.

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The log also clearly indicates that LBJ was on aircraft #1488, the same aircraft that returned to PM from engine trouble, and was not involved in the Lae attack. Also, in the report of the Results and Interception, aircraft #1488 isn't involved at all.

I would guess, from what I know of LBJ, and I have read the Robert A. Caro biography, I would bet good money on LBJ convincing the pilot of 1488 to return to base and report engine trouble so he could bug out of the mission. Probably threatened him too, if he didn't do what LBJ wanted.

[FirstPappy]

Don't forget Richard Nixon. I think he was a morale officer in the SoPac. Or was it a moral officer? Nah .. couldn't be that.

[FirstPappy]

Link to his naval record:

http://www.history.navy.mil/faqs/faq60-8.htm

[FirstPappy]

Will the Reluctant (AK-601) be included in WITP with Mr Roberts on board?

Link to info about the ship in the movie:

http://freepages.misc.rootsweb.com/~slo ... gh27.htm#1

[FirstPappy]

If the info in this link is true, Mr. Roberts ship is already included in UV:

http://www.uss-virgo.com/roberts.htm