NON Critical RHS 7.942 micro update: uploaded

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach

ORIGINAL: el cid again

In this case I conclude that at some point at least some of the classes were converted to 4 DCT plus 2 DCR - which means they were large enough to do that. Therefore it is at least possible to do that - and so the upgrades will be set to have a pattern of 8 (normal with 4 DCT and 2 racks - the racks drop twice each). This is not grounds for a new update - but will be there whenever there is a new update. I did find one reference listing 4 DCT - which I regarded as possibly confused - since it did not list DCR - and since all others listed 2 DCR (exept one listing 2 DCT which may be generic for both) - or no mention of ASW at all.

Would you card to share which ships are effected (and how and when if you will) should I care to make the changes before the next update. I wish to start a new CAIO game and would like to include the changes. I fully realize that the ASW is still experimental. and stc (subject to change).

As a side note, I have also decided to open up Calcutta to shipping after reading a couple of sites on the Internet indicating in was in fact a major port. My movement flow of oil and resources from Diamond Harbour seemed sluggish and besides if Calcutta was used I want to account for it. While I was at it I opened the up river system from that point and reinstated the river ports and associated shipping. I'll take my chances as to the AI using it and causing game breaking problems, but, that can't be any worse that ongoing comprehensive updates every couple of weeks.

I do have a question relating to these changes. Do you have any information ( and sources) as to the size/tonnage of ships that could actually use Calcutta. I expect to play my own house rules as to what ships will be allow there and which will need to be stopped at Diamond Harbour.

While you may easily open Calcutta - us RIVERpwhex7.dat renamed as pwhex.dat in the top level WITP folder -

you may NOT use it for large ships.

Having been to "Calcutta" on a ship with a 26 foot draft, I argued passionately that it was a "deep water port" -
only to learn that the Port of Calcutta is where we call Diamond Harbor. There are several problems - today a dam system -
but the main one is silting and draft. The Ganges used to have steamship service - and it was and remains the most important
LOC of India - but it was not (like the Yangtze to Wuhan) an ocean ship river.

I did make changes in the communications code to make resources/oil etc flow to Diamond Harbor - and IF you use an open river -
you CAN run SMALL vessels "across the line." Anything with river, any traditional craft (dhou, barges, river tankers, river transports,
junks), any landing craft, and any AK or TK with 500 tons or less cargo rating may cross the line. This is a general RHS principle when you use open rives - but it was also specifically designed so players could use Calcutta properly. Big ships use Diamond Harbor for cause: the river delta is typical of an old silted waterway - which means shifting and broad but shallow.

I can do an update any time. I just usually don't do that without sufficient reason in the form of changes. We have very little to change at this point - and a lot of need to test. Let me see what else may have been reported?

[el cid again]

ORIGINAL: mikemike

ORIGINAL: Buck Beach



Would you card to share which ships are effected (and how and when if you will) should I care to make the changes before the next update. I wish to start a new CAIO game and would like to include the changes. I fully realize that the ASW is still experimental. and stc (subject to change).

I've looked through my book, and generally I'd say that before PH, all DD classes including the Farraguts carried two DCR's; the earlier classes received at least four DCT early in the war (the earliest picture of a Mahan with DCT I've found dates from March, 1942). I say at least because El Cid is right in that there were many variations, some Farraguts for instance carried six to eight (DD-350 Hull) DCT. Especially early in the war, ships got what was available when they were modified. I think we'll need AE to do justice to all the variants; if we wanted to track accurately all modifications involving weapons and sensors, it might be necessary to define several separate upgrade paths for ships of the same basic class (just as an example: late in 1942, the Mahans received two 40mm twins, but some ships mounted 28mm quads before that, some didn't). Early ships modified to AAW 1945 standard generally kept four DCT, but some lost one DCR. From the Fletchers onwards, all DDs had two DCR and six DCT (except some of the Sumner DMs which only had four DCT mounted on top of the deckhouse aft).

This is not correct: there were many ships fitted during the "phony war" period - but these were generally those serving on "neutrality patrols" in the Atlantic; some ships were not converted until 1942 - and some of the older WWI era ships never did carry DC at all. Destroyers - unlike battleships and carriers - or even cruisers - are very numerous - and they (and smaller vessels even more so) are treated more in groups than as individuals (unless they are really unique in theater, see French La Fantistique) - and the research required to get them right is much more than just arguing about the (admittedly hard to get) ASW data: when did they enter PTO? who was captain? where did they enter PTO?
what was the exact armament when they entered PTO? Just getting names and entry dates right for LSTs took a vast amount of research (largely by AKDREEMER) and data entry (by me). Destroyers are worse - and I estimate it involved more than a man year of work. I don't oppose such work - but IF you are going to do it - THEN do it right - each time you look at a ship - get ALL the data for ALL its updates -
and then the data entry can be done one time to get it right. Destroyers are vastly better than they used to be - but still treated in the form they are described in as groups in major references - which is the standard Joe said applied to CHS - and which I used.