MMO Group of Wargamers who also play MMOs?

[Jeffrey H.]

Did all the flight sim MMO's from AW through WWIIOL. WWIIOL had the most potential but the devs were/are clueless WRT making it something like a wargame. I got fed up with being spawn camped by millions of tanks and planes. I don't think I'll ever go back.

[Veldor]

Some comments:

Ultima Online
The longest I ever played an MMO. I was an early beta tester and played through the first half-decade at least. I could write pages upon pages on what was right about it and why so many other MMO's to follow went wrong but I'll just leave it at there was no better or purer MMO experience than the early days of UO when all the modern problems like griefers and gold-farming weren't even invented yet.

Eve Online
Was a beta Tester for this game too. Pretty much have beta tested them all due to my UO experience until I lost interest in MMO's early last year. I don't like the fealing of not knowing what to do in a game and this is the primary reason why I never much got into this one and didnt end up playing after launch. To much open empty space at first. I've heard enough good things about it now that I thought perhaps to reconsider but not likely really as I tend to just go with new games usually.

EverQuest 2
This is also a guild comment. I played this a long time and the guild I inherited was a family oriented guild where people of all levels just helped each other understand all the complexities of the game and we used lower level alternate characters to adventure together when otherwise not possible. Some played a lot, others not so much. It works fine for non-diehard players.

Vanguard
One of the few MMO's I played where I wasn't in beta but I went as far as to buy a new high end PC just to play it. It's actually a nice game if your system can support it. But the problem was and I guess still is... almost nobody's can. The Diplomacy system is kind of neat but why I really dig it is because I have so much in common with the core designers in terms of my thoughts towards MMO design. Most of it stems back to UO and its as if they listened to every one of my comments (Which I never made since I wasn't in beta). For starters I hated instancing in EQ2. What point is there is having a house when no one will ever visit it for any real reason? In UO we use to hang out at someones house/castle just because it was near somewhere we were going/headed etc. The same concept was used for Vanguard to put houses and the whole world in a single instance. Many more things but you get the point. I do also see how they screwed it all up but really Age of Conan made the same mistake even bigger though (Total lack of content at launch/unfinished game). They are ridiculously expensive games to make and I'm sorry that Sigil had to ultimately sell out to Sony after not being able to pay the bills (This after buying themselves from Microsoft!). I've been hoping its all better now after the recent massive upgrades... I've logged in since its free to play this month.. Haven't played much though. It does have one of the largest resubscription rates of any MMO in history besides UO so that must mean something good? But how many will stick around this time??

Other MMO's Played
I've tried lots but the ones I played most aside from the above were Asheron's Call and Star Wars Galaxies (Early Days before the jedi)

Future MMO's
Warhammer Online is out soonest so I will at least try it. Maybe if anyone here is interested the first person can at least post what server they've joined so we at least have the option to group even if not the extreme of forming a guild together. This game is from the DaOC people which is regarded very highly in the MMO Community and has non-grinding based systems for crafting etc. so basically most people are thinking this is the big one to kill all other MMO's. Considering its the longest a MMO has ever been in production (Especially if you count the original effort that was scrapped)... I think it's at least worth a try.
It also has 25 years worth of paper content in which to be based upon.

Stargate Worlds will be something different from all the fantasy RPG types and also looks to have some nice unique approaches. It won't be out until 2009 though so its not going to satisfy any MMO hunger anytime soon.. even beta-wise.

............Good to see I was right and there are a fair number of MMO players here, now if we could all just play the same one this would work [:D]

[Moster]

Anybody ever try Navyfield?

[Veldor]

Apparantly the world is sold out on pre-orders for the collector's edition of Warhammer Online. I almost bought it the other day but figured I'd wait to see if I could at least try it first in open beta or earlier if I even get accepted.

I do appreciate ultra high quality game materials and you can't beat that Signature Warhammer look that even D&D envies.

[panzers]

great post veldor. I try not to get too involved with all that. I like to have asversity in my gameplaying. With that being said, I stick to one MMO because they really hit you hard in the pocketbook if you're not careful I know people who play something like 5 different mmo's and you have to scratch your head and say, why? I know your not playing them all, and wasting all your money on something your not even playing. But anyway, the game I play is WOW and I am a level 65 mage and I am looking for a guild. I see that there are a few of you that do play it. I am not in a guild because of the child like behavior that goes on in there. I think that would be a terrific idea if there are enough world of warcrackers out there that would be intersted in a matrix style wargammers guild within an MMO. I think that is a brilliant idea. If for nothing else, I could have an intelligent conversation in there and talk about something other than chuck norris and murloc jokes. I need a jump start in my IQ level in there, so a guild with us wargammers there would be a sight for sore eyes for me[&o][&o][&o][&o]

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: Moster

Anybody ever try Navyfield?

Yup, but having to pay extra if you wanted the better ships, and if you wanted to improve your crew was a turnoff.

Played;
-Swg this one was a great game untill SOE killed it
-WoW, simple but playable. Fun due to the fact that all my IRL mates played as well.
-Runescape, well it is free....
-WW2online, never seemed to find anyone to kill, ended up runnning all over Europe and nothing else.
-AoC, might still be a good one, but still seems unfinished to me. Will go back later to see if it becomes what it has potential to be
-EVE, never got into that one, and never got to like it
-LOTRO, a game I played inbetween WoW and AoC to pass time. Ok, nothing more
-Navyfield, see above.

[Sarganto]

Played UO for at least half a year at the official servers and one more year at freeshards. Still like the player-driven economy.
Then played DaoC as a Beta-Tester, but didn't buy it after the launch.
Started playing WoW 2 times, for half a year and still have a gametimecard in my shelf, saving it for a month, when I REALLY don't know what to do with my time. Also have the 10 days test-time for Burning Crusade in my shelf. But I always think, that it is much harder to join a game, when it has gone this far. You will always feel like a newbie, when they throw abbrevations at you and you don't understand anything.

Besides that, I played Diablo 2 for a long time, as I would also consider that as a sort of MMO. I am about to reinstall it, because Diablo 3 got me excited again.

[Zakhal]

My current beef with MMOs is that wow has monopolized the market:



I tried to like wow (eq grinding, etc) but i failed. Even the quests seem bland and monotonous. I didnt find any story from them (i.e in comparsion to guild wars). Im forced to be a niche player in mmo market.

[105mm Howitzer]

Sorry Zarhal, must be in total disagreement. AS a MMO who tried both GW and WOW, I gotta say WOW takes GW out to left field. Your graph shows it, most of the other MMO's all suffer from one basic flaw: linear adventuring. Gotta do quest 1 to access Quest 2, and so on, plus there's only one way to get to Quest 1, forget using alternate routes cause it won't allow you to travel overland, etc... Plus add the basic lack of weapons, armors, and other options, and voila, you got served by WOW.

[panzers]

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

My current beef with MMOs is that wow has monopolized the market:



I tried to like wow (eq grinding, etc) but i failed. Even the quests seem bland and monotonous. I didnt find any story from them (i.e in comparsion to guild wars). Im forced to be a niche player in mmo market.

hey, runescape seems to be making a push, lol
Seriously, having really only have played WOW, is there really anything better than that one, with the expansions they are coming out with now? That is a serious question

[ilovestrategy]

I played Ultima Online for 3 1/3 years, World of Warcraft for 2 but left because of the kiddies. Been playing Lord Of the Rings Online for over as year now and bought a lifetime membership for it. [:)]

War in the Pacific with its active forums though seems like an MMO to me [:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D][:D]

[madgamer2]

don't fret it kid someday if you make it that far you to will be old. I would rather be opld now then whey you get old LOL. I find that MMO's are for people who don't or can't bscome socoal the old fastion way...face to face. In this wireless connected world of ours is for the young that way they don't have to learn such things as spelling, and the social graces, just how to text.
I find it disturbing that our society is becoming so non social but I am just a pessimistic person brought up in the more graceful and laid back 20th century

Madgamer

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: panzers
Seriously, having really only have played WOW, is there really anything better than that one, with the expansions they are coming out with now? That is a serious question

WOW and Guild Wars both are to MMO's what Axis & Allies is to Wargaming. Thats also why you see numbers like that. Its not because WOW or Axis and Allies is the best game in the genre, just that its the easiest to get into and holds the widest appeal.

In all seriousness many WOW players are looking to Warhammer. That is actually the title that they ripped off for much of the content. And not the other way around. Warhammer set that tone in the early 80s long before Warcraft was around. The game is built from those who did Dark Age of Camelot and, while not a ultra hardcore MMO, is at least moderately difficult. Warhammer is preserving its original look, made much more cartoony in WOW, but they are sticking away from photo-realistic and are landing somewhere in the high middle away from WOW graphics.

Its hard for me to say whats a hardcore MMO anymore. Perhaps EQ2 and Vanguard would be closest. Vanguard was suppose to be the ultimate hardcore MMO experience but due to ultra high performance requirements they had to simplify it some to try to retain enough player base. Vanguard really gets a worse rep mainly due to WOW players that just aren't ready for a game like that. Its really a stepping stone up from EQ2 which in turn is a step up from EQ1 which is a step up from WOW. The original EQ designer did Vanguard personally.

To put it into perspective. Imagine 10 million Axis and Allies players trying just about any Matrix Game. While plenty would do ok and love them, its just in the numbers that a large group just won't put the right effort into it and will go off slamming them as boring and over-complicated etc. etc. Same thing with non-WOW MMO Games in many cases.

But I must respect WOW. It made the MMO genre mainstream and a household acronym even MOMs know now...

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: madgamer

don't fret it kid someday if you make it that far you to will be old. I would rather be opld now then whey you get old LOL. I find that MMO's are for people who don't or can't bscome socoal the old fastion way...face to face. In this wireless connected world of ours is for the young that way they don't have to learn such things as spelling, and the social graces, just how to text.
I find it disturbing that our society is becoming so non social but I am just a pessimistic person brought up in the more graceful and laid back 20th century

Madgamer

Its far more anti-social to sit at the computer playing a game of WiTP or virtually any other wargame by yourself or even against 1 other person. There are thousands in an MMO game. So I'd say the average wargamer is far more socially reclusive than than the average MMO player. While some of the eldest here shake in their boots at the thought of playing even 1 person (and thus stick with an AI).. the rest of us meet hundreds in a single hour of play.

And don't bother talking about how much time MMO players might play when a WiTP game can take hours per evening and over a year to finish.

No need to try to make yourself better than someone else. Gamers are gamers and whatever comments apply apply to the lot of us.

[Khornish]

I've played Planetside, EQ2, DDO, EvE, WoW, DAoC, Anarchy Online, Age of Conan, City of Heroes/Villains, WWII Online, and LOTRO, honestly, I found most of them to be boring or a major let down.

City of Heroes grabbed my attention the most, and I'm not a real superhero genre fan. I am going to play Warhammer: Age of Reckoning because I like the IP and I worked for Games Workshop for almost 5 years...wished I'd not quit, but that's life.

I prefer PVP type games, but only when it is properly structured. I am not a fan of games that benefit the long term player at the expense of the new player. Meaning, the veteran pretty much can ruin the game experience for all new players with practically no penalty involved.

The game I am REALLY looking forward to is Warhammer 40,000 Online. If that stays a first person shooter, I will be all over that game, but it has to be done right and done well. I hate fragfest games where players are jumping everywhere and spamming grenades (Call of Duty). I feel the Battlefield series was good, aside from BF2142...and parts of BF Vietnam.

I'd love to see an MMO with a strategic level planning stage and a tactical combat stage.

[Reiryc]

ORIGINAL: Joe 98

In one game MMP there was a case where one clan was battling another clan.

Over some time some of the members of one clan became real life friends.

Then one of them died.

The friend decided to hold an on-line service.

The clan got together on-line and held a service within in the game!

The other clan came along, ambushed them and wiped them out. [X(]

It was posted as a video somewhere.

I think this was in dark age of camelot...

I used to play that game and enjoyed it quite a bit. I played that one for about 2 years and threw in the towel in 2003. I played everquest 2 for a short time, about 1.5 months but it just didn't grab me and I haven't played an MMO since.

[panzers]

As I was saying earlier in this thread, I don't want to be putting all my hard earned dollars in a bunch of onlime subscriptions to MMORPG that I may never play, but the feedback from warhammer does sound very intriguing. Never actually played the cardboard game, but is it anything at all like battletech?

[Khornish]

ORIGINAL: panzers

As I was saying earlier in this thread, I don't want to be putting all my hard earned dollars in a bunch of onlime subscriptions to MMORPG that I may never play, but the feedback from warhammer does sound very intriguing. Never actually played the cardboard game, but is it anything at all like battletech?

Warhammer is a miniatures game. The figures are made of plastic or a pewter allow. Originally, there was a boxed set with counters, which was before their miniatures lines started to take off. I have that set, but they wanted people to buy the minis and then use the counters for bases.

It is not like battletech other than they are both games and have some customization to the units involved, based upon player choices.

I'd really recommend you check out the Warhammer: Age of Reckoning website.

[V22 Osprey]

I play a game called Combat Arms.It's free,lots of customization(like buying an M4 and putting different scopes,silencers,and extend magazines.)

Fun  game,it's only v1.0 so I assume in the future they will add more maps than the 6 there are.Low system specs,Good Graphics,I get a perfect framerate with everything on high and it's Free!


http://combatarms.nexon.net/

I think you download the setup file(440 megs),and overall it takes up 2.0 Gigs.And you have to make a profile with Nexon.

Wouldn't call it a MMO,but it has lots of servers and I've seen 2-4 at a time full of players.

[Veldor]

ORIGINAL: panzers

As I was saying earlier in this thread, I don't want to be putting all my hard earned dollars in a bunch of onlime subscriptions to MMORPG that I may never play, but the feedback from warhammer does sound very intriguing. Never actually played the cardboard game, but is it anything at all like battletech?

Warhammer Online doesn't play anything like the miniature game anymore than Warcraft Online plays like Warcraft. They are simply set in the same universe as their respective IPs. Which means it will have the look/feel of Warhammer and all the various badies and locations, weapons/spells etc. but rules wize it'll play like an MMO with integrated combat, economic, and crafting systems just for starters. They also have built upon DaOC for large scale Realm vs Realm battles whereby your side basically takes over territory and such should you wish to participate in that aspect. Or simply play at the regular RAID levels, party levels, or even solo.