WEST FRONT update 2010-2011

[marcbarker]

Not my problem if they do it for free...granted very admirable....with no support I want the ability to add platoons and edit the weapons file...that simple. no more no less...the product sheet says Platoons and Companies...thenstates full editing...so I take it I can edit atleast the full Platoon file...that is how this dense head is. I ain't the sharpest tool and never claim to be. If they cannot do that then I want the game fixed so it does what it states it can do no more and no less...I did not know I could Edit this stuff till I bought it. I bought it according to the old style of talonsoft. Which great that it is being supported. Now after the release it gets locked down and not supported in that way until 2010 or 2011....that is junk. Should have spent that money on something useful.....like hmmmmm lunch

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: barker

the product sheet says Platoons and Companies...then states full editing...so I take it I can edit atleast the full Platoon file

For someone who states:

I take things for how they read and not what the intention is.

You are placing intention where there is none.

And by your own findings:

ORIGINAL: barker
YOU MAY NOT RENT OR LEASE IT, DISASSEMBLE, DECOMPILE, REVERSE ENGINEER, OR MODIFY THE SOFTWARE IN ANY WAY.

The situation is mute.

Jason Petho

[marcbarker]

i ain't renting dissasembling, this was in the manual after purchase of the product. the product data sheet on the page you buy this game is full editing. Not Jason approved editing

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: barker

i ain't renting dissasembling, this was in the manual after purchase of the product. the product data sheet on the page you buy this game is full editing. Not Jason approved editing

Order of Battle creation and editing.

Nothing about unit creation or platoon editing.

Apples and oranges.

Jason Petho

[marcbarker]

I am stupid so I see it differently and you are not matrix you said so yourself....so you may want to get someone involved

[marcbarker]

It is very simple Jason, You had the files open prior to 1.03 so all I ask is to maintain that...that hard? Nope it isn't

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: barker

I am stupid so I see it differently and you are not matrix you said so yourself....so you may want to get someone involved

Hasn't been necessary.

Although, you can post in the General Forum at the top of the Forums page if you have any Matrix specific questions.

Jason Petho

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: barker

It is very simple Jason, You had the files open prior to 1.03 so all I ask is to maintain that...that hard? Nope it isn't

You asked.

Maybe add it to the wishlist!

Jason Petho

[MartNick]

I want I want I want.

Are you wanting to create a killer mod for the whole community or just being mischievious with all the different complaints?

Instead of being honest and saying when things will get done, maybe Jason should say this feature fix will be looked at sometime in the future, and leave it at that.

[Warhorse]

Jeez, seems more like adding up posts to me... Always has to be one. Say it once, Jason, the Beta Brigade are operating under the wishes of David Heath, the owner of Matrix, who I happen to know now for many years, we aren't doing anything covert, everything is ok'd by him ultimately. What exactly are these uber modifications you are so bent on making, that you can't just get withthe damn program and send to Jason as suggested? Jason is the front man as it were for Campaign Series. Insulting him, and us with all this will get you nowhere. As he said, you don't like 1.03, go back, whatever. Sorry man, I like you, but getting tired of all this attacking.

Best regards,

Mike

[marcbarker]

I don't feel that I should after purchasing the game. It was open in 1.02 after complaints I presume from PBEM it gets shutdown. So I just requested to get a refund. I know that won't happen. I asked Jason if he could supply the users who wished to have that file he said no. All this stemmed from was after 1.04 in a few weeks , there won't be anything new till 2010 or 2011. That is hard pill to swallow. So I all I asked was to update my version as required for my needs and uses , no one elses, as soon as an oob gets edited for a campaign game lets say that get. I mean the company10.oob etc it won't synch with the other players if you play tcip or even hot seat. So if I edit the OOB at the core level ,I wanted the ability as I did in the original version, be able to add core units and weapons. This feature is no longer available so it does not matter. This is not the game I thought I bought nor want. Lesson learned. Since the Talonsoft Games work on XP I will just update that. So Jason you made matrix lose a 500.00 every 6 month customer go to another company over a few files. I know my Paltry sum does not mean much to Matrix but it mean a great deal to me. It is amazing I got no official response from Matrix Itself just a User, paid or unpaid makes no difference. This type of customer relation is by far not good.

I do alot of programming and work in a very time sensitive field. We have to deal with customers who purchase 50 million dollar aircraft. Regardless of what we think as a group the bottom line is customer satisifaction not customer distate. This was not meant as a slam to you Jason, but the concept of a non Matrix person dictates to a paying customer how this should be.

Good follow up answers:
You know there were some valid points you stated and I will pass it on.
This is not my responsibility but your view will be heard and stated. If the powers that be should decide to allow this then it will be in a future update and frankly the release schedule is such that it probably won't be for awhile.

That can be handled alot better then just no or anything like that. I wish you luck in your future obligations and opportunities.

so mote it be
Out

[tide1212]

LATER!!!! 

[Chris Wilson]

ORIGINAL: barker

Again...update to a modded weapons file platoon file that we as a user could do....

Only by means of an unsupported third party hack that was never, ever distributed with the game.

ORIGINAL: barker
but in your capacity of I don't know what has said No can't do that because of some PBEM cheating issues. That is not me nor some others that support this game by our purchase thereby supporting Matrix. You could supply the those files to those that wish it. Then you could be free of this whole ordeal

There are several reasons why some files remain encrypted (as per the TS original - excepting of course the original EF 1, and 1.01) some of the more obvious ones being ...

Firstly of course there is the obvious one you've picked up on, to stop PBEM cheats.
Next of course is to make sure that future patches/expansions install correctly and work.
Then to ensure that the various scenarios and campaigns remain balanced,
... and of course to ensure that folks who don't know what they are doing but would like to think they do don't screw up their install and end up with a non functioning game.

Without in any way denigrating the original versions you get far, far more with the Matrix version of the game than you did with the original - and at a much reduced price, if you don't like it tough.

Constructive criticism is one thing, the mere ranting of a person who can't get his own way is another, reflect on that.

[marcbarker]

Whats to reflect on...I stated my opinion and that is that. By the way the coding was not that hard to figure out. Old reference docs from the TS gang help. Besides it does not mattter either way.

[borsook79]

ORIGINAL: Chris Wilson
Firstly of course there is the obvious one you've picked up on, to stop PBEM cheats.

There are more convenient ways of doing that - the game could compare the checksum of those files if it does not match display an error message. Encryption is completely unnecessary, plus it is cumbersome not only for users who have to send in their files but for Jason who has to run them in the encryption tool. While I do not like the tone of Barker's posts I also can't understand the stubbornness with which a solution that's bad for everyone is defended.

ORIGINAL: Chris Wilson
Next of course is to make sure that future patches/expansions install correctly and work.

I think the installer overwrites those files, hence that point is moot.

ORIGINAL: Chris Wilson
Then to ensure that the various scenarios and campaigns remain balanced,

If a user modifies the files he knows it may affect the balance, and that's his problem. Plus he can modify other files that would affect the balance of scenarios.

ORIGINAL: Chris Wilson
... and of course to ensure that folks who don't know what they are doing but would like to think they do don't screw up their install and end up with a non functioning game.

Since other files are moddable, and they can disrupt the way the game work just the same the point is moot.

[marcbarker]

Borsook, I agree with you and yes my tone was adament and on the verge because I could not get the point accross that whatever files are manipulated that they are overwritten after the install. Even with the encryption if you are not familiar with actual scenario size you can edit those and those PBEM modded files. The checksum option is by far the best solution. I just think that it should be up to the user. If he screws up his install then he reinstalls and all the mods he made are poof gone.
 
Marc

[marcbarker]

Also another reason for the release of those files is adding nations. Those files have to be editiable to add various nations and their units. Just a thought. Not bashing or anything just stating a fact

[Ladmo]

A word on the discourse.

I too am very much in favor of being able to mod with UPSing files (just a joke, people), but I would urge those who argue on behalf of this ideal to remember a few little suggestions. In our arguments, let us conduct ourselves as officers and gentlemen and, barring that, people. I think things would get less heated if personalities were not invoked by name, especially as we cannot really be sure who does what on this matter.

I was less than thrilled with the announcement of encryption, but I have decided to try to embrace the idea, to cooperate and see what they have in mind. I've done a modest amount of graphics which I contributed and I plan for bigger things, hopefully for Divided Ground, if Matrix is interested. I am hoping Matrix Legion Encyrption will be as easy as it is advertised. I have even suggested documenting any changes, just to let them know what I am up to. Last I checked, I wasn't getting an answer on that one. Perhaps everyone is getting a bit tetchy on this subject. I have just found in the past, on these kinds of boards that militancy begets militancy and soon nobody talks and everybody shouts. I'd just as soon get out of the hobby before involving myself in that.

That said, usually, the guys here are kinder, smarter, and better behaved and more generous than those on the boards dealing with my other pursuits. Show your colors and all will be well...though it still may be encrypted (another attempt at humor -feeble though it be...)

Edited Due to My Notoriously Bad Spelling!!!

[tide1212]

Ladmo howdy. I haven't seen you post in awhile. Your always the gentleman
 
Tide1

[Ladmo]

Muchas gracias, Tide1.

Generally, this is such a well-behaved site, with nice people, but occasionally we let our passions get the best of us - I know mine have. When I'm in my right mind I am a big believer in common ground (as opposed to Divided Ground) *gag* I hate to see feelings get injured, though I intensely admire the dedication of everyone in our debates.