upgrading chitose/chiyoda

[jcjordan]

Found this old post & was wondering about the upgrade w/ respect to the airgroups - are the air units hardcoded by the unit # or just the unit ie 653rd Daitai so if you've got another unit in the 470-473 range it'll need to be changed.

Chitose/Chiyoda:
Delay:330 days, must be disbanded in Osaka on the last(!) day of a month, will appear in building queue on the first day of the following month then (earliest possible conversion date: 31/12/42)

normal building cost: 40/day; 330*40=13200 points, 330 days building time
accelerated construction: 120/day; (330/2)*(40*3)=19800 points, 165 days building time

both dump their original airgroups in osaka upon entering the queue (sp?),
they return each with a A6M5 and B6N equipped airgroup (21 Zekes and 9 Jills operational), all airgroups are carrier capable daitais not carrier trained, attached to the Home Defense Force, their max size is 27, they arrive without any pilots (at least in my game vs AI, might be a bug and vary from patch to patch)

Status: offline Just did some more testing on Chiyoda/Chitose Airgroups:

they recieve their airgroups from the airgroup reinforcement queue:

#470 F1/653rd Daitai (Zeke) will initially arrive at Kagoshima will be placed on Chitose
#471 A1/653rd Daitai (Jill) ----------------------------- Osaka ------------------------ Chitose
#472 F2/653rd Daitai (Zeke) -------------------------- Hiroshima -------------------- Chiyoda
#473 A2/653rd Daitai (Jill) ----------------------------- Hiroshima -------------------- Chiyoda
all initially scheduled to arrive on 15/1/44, attached to Home Defense Force

which means you do not "loose" any airgroup by not converting them, which makes these conversions actually less useful.

[Mike Solli]

Yup, it's true.  It all depends on if you want two extra CVLs or not.  Personally, I'll take all the decks I can.

[jcjordan]

Thanks that's what I thought - I really hate slot dependencies [:@] (Haven't I said that many time before [:'(])

[el cid again]

There are other solutions you may adopt.

In a non strictly historical mod you can complete the ships in CVL form. They were designed to be built in four different forms - including CVS and CVL. RHSEOS family scenarios have this solution - the ships are always CVLs - and of course - the slots are different. In such a case one could then define the ships differently and have them upgrade differently - if there were any ships one wanted to upgrade by a similar delay.

In a strictly historical scenario we have problems with the air groups - code will not let them be historical. But this can be corrected - by a workaround - you can have air groups that never resize and are carrier qualified - if you assign them to a carrier that is date set never to appear in the game (in 1946) AND IF you give the air group a date to appear (it will appear at Tokyo in that case). Players can then move the right groups to the ships when they become CVLs. These air groups NEVER resize - because their carrier is never in a port that is a problem.
Again - not using the stock slots is advisable in this case.

Another solution is to have the CVS simply upgrade to CVL on a certain date - and recommend withdrawall from play by a specified date. This gives you more control over dates - which are not really right - just approximate. Again not using stock slots. Most of the time it is the class slot that matters - but for these ships - class, ship and air groups slots all are hard coded.

A similar case is the semi carrier battleships - and here stock and most mods are quite wrong. The real semi carriers had mixed air groups of seaplanes and carrier planes - and indeed not identical mixes - but complimentry mixes. Turns out the ships will operate both types - that they could not do so was an assumption by all - and not true. Once we learned that we put the right air groups in RHS.