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RE: January 1944 Production and VP

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It should show the speed of the ship ... which even in port disbanded shows the speed as positive in game. So this is either a read error or something else going on...

I have the same anomalies, and will look closer into the problem and get back about it. Thanks for pointing out this.

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RE: January 1944 Production and VP

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As Sumatra is starting to unravel, I'd suggest not repairing any more oil centres at Palembang and concentrate on Balikpapan.
Getting TKs into Palembang and out again with oil will become more hazardous[:(]
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RE: January 1944 Production and VP

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Tallyho makes a good point, there must come a time to cut your losses and be wary of sinking too much supply into a sinking base ... but there is still 122K of Oil sitting at Palembang, get it out if possible.
Michael, I only asked about the regional stuff because I saw Bangkok had very little Oil... Isn't there some HI there ? Or are we concentrating just on pulling it back to Japan ?
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RE: January 1944 Production and VP

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GREAT points!  I am loading oil at Palembang and getting it out as fast as possible.  I've got an Aviation regiment and Air HQ about to unload there so I can move fighters into the base to fight the inevitable attacks to come.
 
I'm working on moving two Divisions to Bankha to try and hold the area.  Life looks very grim there but we'll see how long I can hold.  I just got a BUNCH of IJN Bombers at the Home Islands over the last 10 days (nearly 200 bombers) and they have moved to Singapore to train while bombing his three Chinese Divisions at Medan.  I NEED to eliminate those troops there ASAP.
 
Keep the information coming and I will send another turn to Michael in a bit.
 
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Malaya--Sumatra

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January 20, 1944 shows this situation in Malaya/Sumatra:



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Malaya--Sumatra

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Sorry for a few days passing without an update.  Dan and I have been doing a turn a day but I am heading out for 48 hours of R&R Marital Therapy with my wife so I won't get anything added until Tuesday. 
 
To bring things into game focus:
1.  Kaula fell with Dan's first attack on January 22nd (now the 25th).
2.  I am trying to finish off the Chinese troops in Medan.
 
The fate of the Empre now sits in Sumatra.  I CANNOT afford to lose Palembang and other Oil/Resource Centers.  Sakhalin is a threat but I MUST stop the attack in the DEI.  Decisions made:
 
1.  ALL 12 Japanese CV/CVL are now moving there for a massive attack upon Allied shipping and warships.
2.  ALL decent Fighter Daitai/Sentai are moving into Theatre.  I've already got 400 bombers there.
3.  Troops are shuttling over to Bankha as fast as I can move them
 
These are the current moves.
 
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The Fall of Sumatra

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The Allies continue to drive the Japanese back towards Medan and eject 20,000 Japanese troops into hex 20,44. These troops SHOULD have withdrawn to Medan but--of course--choose not to.

I hate the land cmbat system! One cannot say...well the Chinese have 3 Inf Divisions there blocking the Japanese troops. CRAP. I've had 5 units withdraw to Medan before this attack occurred.

Without those 20,000 troops, Medan will fall and Bankha is as good as lost. I begin to think that I need to withdraw my troops instead of add troops to this lost cause. There are nearly 100,000 engaged troops there presently and I could move them all to Malaya and hold there.

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Other news...

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On other fronts, mid-to-late January brings few surprises for the Japanese.  Major events include the following:

1.  Allied SS keep sinking at a steady rate.  Since January 18th I have sunk the HMS Tactician, SS Devilfish, SS Sculpin, and SS Ling.  Another 6-8 have been hit by LBA and/or ASW.  My good ASW vessels are now being produced in number.  Placing 6 of these together gives me an ASW factor in excess of 50.  I have 3 of these ASW TF operating with another forming...

2.  There are now over 600 Japanese Fighters training in China.

3.  Australia sees the Japanese withdrawl make it to Alice Springs.  I have nearly 1,000 AS there now with two Inf Div holding the base.  There is no sign of the Aussies coming up the road.  A tank regiment holds 4 hexes from Alice Springs.  Perhaps Dan is driving towards Perh first.  That would be OK with me...

The Aussies are beginning a drive from the east where they destroyed 3 small infantry units that refused to retreat day-after-day towards Katherine.

4.  A small landing takes back Rarotonga.  This base had been evacuated and now I sset-up a small trap.  If Dan comes at the Society Islands without Carrier protection then they will get nailed by 54 Betty 2/Frances.  We'll see if Dan makes that move...

5.  The remaining major carriers of the Kido Butai are about 50% of the way to Palembang. These 4 CV and 4 CVL will be used in a mass atack that I hope might blunt the Allied assault for a time.

6. I have a CV (Katsuragi) that will be completed within days.  After that CV slips down the ways, then I will accelerate another 5-7 DDs.
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RE: Other news...

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Your best bet is to use the Japanese patrol planes to pull back your trapped troops to Malaya (transports will not work). They will probably not make it back to Medan before it falls if you tried to march them.

You will not get troops to retreat from a hex which both have control over to another hex with both side present (WitP ground combat 101). AE will have hexside control issues vs just hexes, so hopefully you will not have this happen again.  
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RE: Other news...

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Mike--Do you mean my Mavis/Emily for evacuation purposes?
 
I just created about 60 barges to help pull those troops out.  I've already got 20 at Singapore and I created more at Saigon, Bangkok, Cam Rahn Bay, and Hong Kong.  It'll take a while to get everything there but I should be able to do it.
 
There are 20 AP at Bankha right now and I will order them to load the troops they just unloaded and head for Malacca for a quick turn around.  We'll have to see what happens in this area.  The only good news is that Bankha is a dead-end in Sumatra ground-wise.  Dan will still have to stage another invasion to threaten Malaya so that is good.
 
Palembang will be threatened.  I will move about 100 Fighters (36 already present) there to help defend the base while I move oil out.
 
Cannot wait for AE's revamped ground combat! 
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RE: Other news...

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Do you mean my Mavis/Emily for evacuation purposes?

YES!! Set them to Transport troops to that hex, then change them to Pick Up troops. Select what you want to evac. Those patrol planes with the greatest load capacity are best. As long as your troops are in a coastal hex, this should work.

File away this fact for later use. I do this often with Allied patrol planes early in the war. Coronado's are the best for the Allies.
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RE: Other news...

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Dan and I had a banner day.  We got three turns in today and that is the best we have done in weeks.  I will post an update in a while but I have to send the third turn to him!
 
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February 1944 Production and VP

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February 1, 1944
Victory Points and Economic Summary


Victory Points:

Score
Japan 49,957 (Up 1,316 Points)
Allies 35,252 (Up 3,332 Points)

The Japanese continue to pick-up lost territory in the Northern Pacific with the recapture of Kunashiri. As the Japanese work to find and exploit opportunities, the Allies begin a small campaign to recapture un-garrisioned islands in the Pacific. The major action for the month occurred in Sumatra where the Allies take back the entire eastern portion of the Island from Sabang to Bankha.

While the action is grim, there is real give and take. I continue to hammer the Allied SS. This is not a one-way fight at the moment and I intend to keep it that way.

Ships Sunk
Japan 656—6,932 VP (up 510)—I lost 81 ships sunk during January. The losses shifted from Warships back over to AP/AK. These were my losses: 16 AK, 27 AP, MSW 11, ML 8, AO 1, MLE 2, AR 1, AS 1, CL Tatsuta, DD 4, and SS I-15.

Major Japanese Vessels Sunk to Date---CV Junyo, Hiyo, and Hiryu, BB Fuso, Yamashiro, Mutsu, Nagato, and Musashi, BC Kirishima and Haruna, 5 CA , 12 CL, 89 DD, and 36 SS.

Allies 1,103---12,697 VP (up 426)---Dan lost 51 ships for the month of January. Exact Losses are: LCT 10, AK 21, LCM 1, LST 1, TK 3, MSW 2, PT 6, SC 2, DE 2, CA Dorsetshire and Houston, 1 DD, and SS 9.

Major Allied Vessels Sunk---CVs Enterprise, Lexington, Hornet, Wasp and Intrepid, CVL Langley, 5 CVE, BBs Colorado, West Virginia, Idaho, Tennessee, Arizona, Prince of Wales, Alabama, Oklahoma, North Carolina, Mississippi, 15 CA, 8 CL, 66 DD, and 41 SS.




Manchukuo Garrison---9,463---Up 289---(8,000 Needed)
Political Points---1,946

Units Transferred:
No major units transferred.


Industrial Report
Supply 2,323,395
Fuel 997,842
Manpower 754 (1,387,125)
Heavy Industry 14,882 (308,450)
Resources 17,873 (2,217,102)
Oil 2,381 (399,698)

HI continued to increase from 277,000 to 308,000. I repaired only 10 Oil Centers as well. Dan has been bombing resource centers at Saigon and Bangkok as well as recapturing Adelaide and Whyalla. I saw a drop of nearly 1,000 Resource Centers this month due to these events. Fuel rose nearly 100,000 for the month.

Shipyards
Naval 1,366 (20)
Merchant 981 (1)
Repair 1,439

Carriers All CVs are accelerated.
Kasagi (352 Days)
Aso (395 Days)
Ikoma (402 Days)
Ibuki (357 Days)

Finished CV Katsuragi!


Weapons
Armament 572 (23,407)
Vehicles 179 (12,855)

I have restarted a number of armament plants to raise that number which is coming down very quickly.


Aircraft
Engines 2,159
Assembly 1,618+(277-Rd)

Got everything back from those captured Japanese cities in Hokkaido this month. Engines rose 20, Assembly up 80, and Research up 45.

Engine Production
Mitsubishi 620—Need 671—1,451 in Pool
Nakajima 1,199—Need 1,114---1,324 in Pool
Kawasaki 260---Need 258---206 in Pool
Aichi 80---Need 98---164 in Pool


Plane Production
Fighters Planes/Month (in Pool)
A6M2 0 (125)
A6M3 0 (0)
A6M3a 0 (71)
Oscar 0 (53)
Oscar IIa 0 (173)
Tojo 8 (31)
Tony 0 (12)
Jack 184 (180)
A6M5c 67 (185)
A6M5 302 (161)
Oscar III 30 (24)
Ki-61 Tony 258 (35)
N1K1 George 50 (37)
Frank 1a 104-Rd (08/44)
Frank 1c 37-Rd (12/44)
A6M8 9-Rd (06/45)

My Fighter production begins catching up somewhat after all the action in December. Am shifting around a lot of airframes as I have groups training in China and elsewhere and then redeploying into the fights.


Bombers
Betty 0 (297)
Betty 2 74 (97)
Frances 118 (67)
Sally 0 (0)
Helen 92 (18)
Peggy 86-Rd (9/44) One month early.
Lily 40 (11)
Nick-a 18 (0)
Nick-b 12 (0)
Val 0 (381)
Kate 0 (100)
Judy 98 (76)
Jill 111 (37)
Grace 2-Rd (6/44)

Frances continues to increase production. Bombers still look solid and I have large reserves of Naval Bombers. Army Bombers are shaky and I am expanding several of them.

Recon/Float
Emily 20 (1)
Alf 0 (0)
Pete 0 (99)
Pete A 0 (41)
Rufe 23 (28)
Glen 4 (47)
Dinah 0 (2)
Irving-R 24 (65)
Irving-S 23 (1)
Jake 0 (32)
Babs 0 (0)
Dinah-3 52 (15)
C6N Myrt 14-Rd (03/44)

Continue having issues keeping up my Recon planes!

Transports
Tina 0 (0)
Sally 0 (0)
Topsy 22 (4)
Mavis-L 5 (8)
Tabby 0 (72)

I must restart a number of these planes. Tina is a definite. I have taken so many hits as I’ve thrown Transports in for reinforcements and/or evacuations.



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Combat Report: February 1, 1944

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Combat Report
Mid-January to February 3, 1944
 
The Japanese Empire continues to struggle on for the last 2-3 weeks ranging into early-February.  While the Allies have an overwelming advantage in strength at their two offensive sites (North Pacific and Sumatra), the Japanese are still hitting wherever possible and sinking Allied ships. 

When that HUGE American force arrived off Northern Japan six weeks ago I was sure that the war was over.  While those troops and, more importantly, their 4EB are a nuisance the bottom has yet to fall out of the Empire.  In fact the American carrier force is now decisively tied down to providing CAP over Sakhalin.  The recognition of this fact has been slow for me to grasp. 

I KNOW Dan won't move his CVs out unless he has another major operation running elsewhere.  The moment those CVs depart, I will attack the AF and knock them back to the Stone Age.  If needed, I can throw 500 Fighters and nearly 1,000 bombers at TWO American bases.  This realistic appraisal has led to major Imperial decisions...

North Pacific
The American 4EB have driven my planes from the Central Aleutians out to Attu.  There are still nearly 400 planes at either Paramushiro Jima or Attu.  They attack any American shipping going to or from the bases in Sakhalin. 

Kunashiri in the Kuriles has been retaken by Japan.  The Americans make no effort to save the troops stationed there and 4,000 surrender on January 30th.

Hakkaido has been completely liberated with another 15,000 Americans surrendering in mid-January.

Onnekotan is the next Japanese target of opportunity.  A fully prepped Infantry Brigade is about to depart and hit the American troops left there by their High Command.

WHY am I doing these attacks?  I think it is upsetting Dan.  Instead of rolling over and playing dead, I am attacking these small islands and their garrisions.  If he pulls his CVs away then Sakhalin is vulnerable and if he doesn't I grab these islands and gain the VP from the surrenders.  In a very twisted way it is a win-win for the Japanese right now.  I don't expect it to last but right now it is rather entertaining to contempate...

South and SE Pacific
I believe the Allies thought that everything has been pulled from the Outer Perimeter.  The Americans have staged small landings at several Japanese Islands.  Half of these attacks have failed and resulted in losses to the Allies.  At Koumac a small invasion was driven back and several American ships were sunk.  Landings have been made at Wallis, Rarotonga, and Ha'apai.  Wallis is already back in Japanese hands and the other two will fall within a week to ten days.

Throughout this area of the Pacific I only have 3 Daitai of Japanese Torpedo Bombers (2 Frances and 1 Betty-2), 1 Sentai of Tonys, 2 Chutai of TB, and 2 Chutai of DB.  Add about 80 Recon planes and this is all I have to strike back at the Allies.  Dan doesn't know this and must be slapping himself on the head wondering where these planes come from!

Hoping to do even better, I have concentrated the remaining 4 CVE (4 CVE, 1 CA, 2 CL, 8 DD) of the Japanese Navy and sent them to Rabaul.  Once they make it there, thye will be sent hunting.  While only having a little over 110 planes this TF is enough to stop the little invasion and force Dan to divert bigger resources from the main theatres of action.

Inner Perimeter
The Marianas--Palau--Philippines--Formosa--Okinawa are being strengthened at the moment.  I pulled 3 complete Japanese Infantry Divisions from Hokkaido the last week of January.  Those troops are going to Naha, Takao, and the northern port on Formosa.  I've almost got enough Political Points to buy out a Chinese Infantry Division and it will be sent to my weakest link in the defences.

Wake and Marcus are well supplied and tough.  If Dan wants to widen his salient into my territory then these two islands will cost him dearly.

Australia
The Allies finally get the Japanese to move out of Broken Hill, Adelaide, and Whyalla.  Alice Springs isn't too long to stay in the Japanese camp.  I will make a stand at Tennant Creek and see how long I can hold the Allies back from the eastern DEI by fighting here.

Am still pulling 50,000 resources every two weeks from Perth.

Sumatra--Malaya
HUGE battle here over the last 3 weeks.  Dan has taken every Japanese town running along the Padang--Bankha axis.  Initially I threw a huge amount of troops into this area until I realized it is a dead-end for the Allies.  As I held in Medan, I started withdrawing soldiers from Bankha as fast as possible.  During the course of a week, I pull over 100,000 troops out of this area.  They are transfered to the Malay Coast to rebuild and reprovision.  Bankha fell on February 3rd and there are only 7,000 troops that I didn't have pulled out.

I have two groups of troops stranded right now.  Those 7,000 mentioned above will be pulled off by AK/AP in the next few days.  The other group is the 20,000 stranded east of Kuala.  I've now got 20 barges moving back-and-forth between Kuala and Georgetown with another 40 on the way to help.  Given about 2 weeks of time I will have this group of troops pulled as well.

The Japanese Air Force was unleashed twice during this period and did well.  The Torpedo Planes manage to sink CA's Dorsetshire and Houston as well as a DD.  BC Repulse and 5 other DDs are torpedoed as well.  I didn't lose too many planes in these strikes and they certainly help the cause.

Currently the British Eastern Fleet is cruising along the west coast of Sumatra.  They launched a terrible strike against Japanese ships in Bankha on the 2nd and sank 5 ships as well as damaged 5 more.  I believe that there are 2 CV, 1 CVL, and 3 CVE in this force.  It APPEARS that there is nothing I can do about it...

Kido Butai
The British Fleet has no idea that 2/3 of the remaining Japanese CV Fleet is at Soerabaja right now.  Having arrived on the 1st, fueled on the 2nd, the Kido Butai will head for Batavia now.  The remaining 1/3 of the Kido Butai is slipping south to the far west of the British to link-up.  IF I can get these two groups together then the Japanese will have 6 CV and 6 CVL (600+ planes) poised to potentially SMASH the British Fleet!

I need to take pressure off of Sumatra right now.  IF I can cripple the the British Fleet then Dan CANNOT do anymore end-arounds.  IF he cannot do that then the pressure will fall off.  It is true that Palembang and Singapore will be vulnerable but I sould still HAVE them!


That is the current situation...
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Northern Japan Feb 1944

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Here is a visual of what I was describing:



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Sumatra Feb 1944

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The western edge of the DEI:



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RE: Combat Report: February 1, 1944

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

I KNOW Dan won't move his CVs out unless he has another major operation running elsewhere.  The moment those CVs depart, I will attack the AF and knock them back to the Stone Age.  If needed, I can throw 500 Fighters and nearly 1,000 bombers at TWO American bases.  This realistic appraisal has led to major Imperial decisions...

The CVs can't stay there forever. Sys damage will eventually cause them to find an anchorage somewhere. It may take a couple of months though. If you can find a way to degrade his SLOC, you can turn this to your advantage.
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RE: February 1944 Production and VP

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Allies 1,103---12,697 VP (up 426)---Dan lost 51 ships for the month of January. Exact Losses are: LCT 10, AK 21, LCM 1, LST 1, TK 3, MSW 2, PT 6, SC 2, DE 2, CA Dorsetshire and Houston, 1 DD, and SS 9.

How many AKs and LSTs has your opponent lost now? I seem to recall Andy Mac commenting in his game against PzB that he had lost so many AKs that it was beginning to affect his offensive operations and I know that losing a lot of LSTs also hurts. I would think that Allied losses of these ships in this game must be approaching the threshold of pain.
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RE: February 1944 Production and VP

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Thanks for the comments gentlemen!  CF--Nice to have you in the AAR Sir.  I am a great admirer of yours!
 
In the last six months, Dan has lost over 400 AK.  That is a pretty solid number.  He lost almost 300 in the assault on Northern Japan as well as about 50 taking Iwo Jima and moving into Sumatra.  I would imagine that he lost another 100 or so the first year or so of the war.  Is that a lot for the Allies?  I have no idea whatsoever...
 
 
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RE: February 1944 Production and VP

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Mike--His CVs are disbanded in that Northern Sakhalin port city.  They sit there with nearly 300 other ships (this from repeated recon) and provide an umbrella of Hellcats over that town and Toyohara...
 
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