Beta Beta2 and Official Sods

[marcbarker]

I do applaud them for their work, they are judicious in it and should be commended, but when you are told you are in violation of EULA for altering files...then what? I play it on my diosaur computer with XP...I can't put it back  on my Vista machine till they decide when it should be compatible as the flyers state. So I keep my version at 1.02b. Now Jason says that if we change any files that is in Violation. Okay fine if I am violation then most of the people that bought this game is in violation. You can't have it both so it was put to me

[marcbarker]

So the mods that are being touted are in violation...hmmmmmmm How about that......

[cw58]

ORIGINAL: simovitch

I changed 100's of inconsistent dates in the oob files by manual text-fecking editing. I have better things to do in my life than list every last one of these for you sods!

When Jason says there were too many to list, please believe and move on.

I am not a sod! (Wait...[&:]... what's a sod? )

Let's see, according to Dictionary.com Unabridged (v 1.1)
"Chiefly British Slang.
–noun
1. sodomite; homosexual.
2. chap; fellow; guy.
3. child; kid; brat. Compare bugger.
–verb (used with object)
4. to damn: Sod the bloody bastard!
—Verb phrase
5. sod off, to leave (usually as an imperative): Why don't you just sod off!
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[Origin: 1875–80; by shortening of sodomite]"

[8|]Hmmm......

Thanks for the many responses. I was assuming that there would not have been that many changes from 1.04 'beta' to 1.04 'official'; my mistake. Thank you anyway.

[MrRoadrunner]

Barker wrote:
"Nicely organised....sort by date...hmmmm you do a space in a file and saves gives the new date etc. So to make it short there is no list of files that have been changed or deleted? So basically if we created files that are an earlier date but may step on your updated space....hmmmm that could be a problem....never heard of aany programmer worth anything not keeping a running list of changes sheets...especially when you deal in 1000's of code and 1000's files. That is why there is readme files in updates to inform the users what has changed or enhanced. Thanks for the Free support and guidance to this world of JTCS"


I'm not computer literate by any means. But, common sense would tell me that you have made less changes than Jason and the crew?
If so, and with your obvious computer skills, would you not have a "spreadsheet" or separate file, or save to disk list of your changes?
Unless you are speaking not just for yourself?

BTW, I thought you were leaving? [;)]

RR

[marcbarker]

That was an example of a list of items. Top Level. I work in the Arospace industry so what we do has to be meticulously documented. That being said, the actual list we have to itemize which line do a WAS and then an IS in thousands of lines of code that has rem statements. After the intial pass we then fill out a spread sheet to accurately depict what work we did. A typical project list and itemized list is a printed spreadsheet of 125 pages., Oh well It really pains me but what the heck. when you get free updates you get what you pay for in that and support.

[marcbarker]

I did and if warranted I will post.
 
How about them TPS REPORTS there Milton

[Terl]

ORIGINAL: barker

That was an example of a list of items. Top Level. I work in the Arospace industry so what we do has to be meticulously documented. That being said, the actual list we have to itemize which line do a WAS and then an IS in thousands of lines of code that has rem statements. After the intial pass we then fill out a spread sheet to accurately depict what work we did. A typical project list and itemized list is a printed spreadsheet of 125 pages., Oh well It really pains me but what the heck. when you get free updates you get what you pay for in that and support.

Hmmm, isn't it aerospace?

<rant>
Anyway, I figure you were the kid that always ruined everyone else's fun 'cause it just didn't go your way? If you hate the game so much and dislike all they are trying to do, I really do not understand why you feel you must interject something into threads all over like some petulant child.

Also, you have been going on and on about Erik not responding to your ravings. Did you miss his post here asking you for more info? Or were you too busy stirring up stuff elsewhere in the forums?
</rant>

[Warhorse]

Dig it, really does get tiresome...

Mike

[e_barkmann]

a reminder about the green button at the bottom of someone's post. If you want to stop seeing their posts, hit the button. Shazzam! Barking mad people gone! [:)]

cheers Chris

[MrRoadrunner]

ORIGINAL: barker

That was an example of a list of items. Top Level. I work in the Arospace industry so what we do has to be meticulously documented. That being said, the actual list we have to itemize which line do a WAS and then an IS in thousands of lines of code that has rem statements. After the intial pass we then fill out a spread sheet to accurately depict what work we did. A typical project list and itemized list is a printed spreadsheet of 125 pages., Oh well It really pains me but what the heck. when you get free updates you get what you pay for in that and support.

So you are the guy in the line waiting for "free goods" and complaining about the way the goods are distributed?

I see. It all makes sense or is that cents? [8|]

I take a man at his word. Thought you said, "Im out of here" a few times? [:D]

RR

[timshin42]

Thanks Chris,

I had forgotten about the green button. Just used it for "barker" as I did a long time ago for= "dumb oryx".
Problem is is, I still have to look at respnses to those two "sour grapes"![>:]

[borsook79]

I'm surprised at the lack of moderation in this forum (even though a moderator visits it frequently). Finding somebody annoying should not be an excuse for calling people "sods" and other personal attacks.

[Terl]

ORIGINAL: Borsook

I'm surprised at the lack of moderation in this forum (even though a moderator visits it frequently). Finding somebody annoying should not be an excuse for calling people "sods" and other personal attacks.

I do apologize to the other members for my little rant, but I was just rather sick of watching one member make repeated inflammatory posts all over this forum . There are threads where he has posted 4 and 5 times in succession without a single reply; just endless rants. Implied in this thread (post 25) is the fact the game was purchased from the most reliable of all sources, E-Bay. This does not mean he is not entitled to updates but if the game is already registered, then caveat emptor.

I have read many of the posts and most of the issues seem to be opinions as to how he sees the game should be which, as I read most of the posts here, seem to run counter to the majority opinion. As such, there is no valid complaint, IMHO. If you do not like a game's development or programming direction, why play it? The other issue seems to be Vista and according to one post he seems to dislike the fact he has to run as administrator and/or in compatibility mode. Why complain here when the issues are Microsoft/Vista related and are easily worked through. I gather he seems to think Jason should have reprogrammed Vista so the game just works without intervention else it is suddenly "incompatible with Vista". Last thought on the Vista issue, sometimes a user's configuration is at fault - as simple as a program installed and running in the background perhaps, one that seems innocent, could cause many problems. I have not seen posts where he is very forthcoming as to what the exact issue is, though I have read many touting his skills as a programmer/designer. I too have skills designing databases and other utility type programs for my employer but I would never assume to be an expert in game design, anything with Direct X, or many other programming chores.

I enjoy reading these forums and I use them to find a great deal of advice and mentoring as to game play issues I may have. I have many Matrix games and hope to have more (c'mon we need another blitz sale [:)]). I just get tired of someone running roughshod over these forums and the dev teams. I applaud Jason for holding back as much as he has and I can understand the frustration behind simovitch's "sods" comment. I had even tried PM'ing Erik about the posts here and in the support forums hoping to head things off and I see he has asked for a response from barker in the general announcement thread after barker claimed he was going to the BBB.

Again, sorry to the other forum members [:)]

[simovitch]

ORIGINAL: Borsook

I'm surprised at the lack of moderation in this forum (even though a moderator visits it frequently). Finding somebody annoying should not be an excuse for calling people "sods" and other personal attacks.

Modern English slang refers to a "sod" as more of a "git" or "jerk" than anything else. If someone was really offended by that I apologize. If they misinterpreted it to mean the 19th century derivative of "sodomite" I can't help that but say it wasn't my intention.

edit: Also, I'm not a member of the beta brigade. I'm just a poor sod who volunteered some time to fix a few bugs.[;)]

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: simovitch
Modern English slang refers to a "sod" as more of a "git" or "jerk" than anything else. If someone was really offended by that I apologize. If they misinterpreted it to mean the 19th century derivative of "sodomite" I can't help that but say it wasn't my intention.

This is exactly how I interpreted "sod"; moderation wasn't necessary.

Jason Petho

[junk2drive]

Jason please change the title of MY thread to Beta Beta2 and Official Sods.

[cw58]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

Jason please change the title of MY thread to Beta Beta2 and Official Sods.

Sorry about that junk2drive. [:(] But if you would please stop creating such controversial threads? [;)]

[junk2drive]

Jason thanks for a good laugh on my lunch hour. [&o]
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I didn't expect you to really do it.
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cw, I'll take the blame and restrain myself. maybe

[Jason Petho]

ORIGINAL: junk2drive

Jason thanks for a good laugh on my lunch hour. [&o]

I didn't expect you to really do it.

cw, I'll take the blame and restrain myself. maybe

A sense of humour is a wonderful thing.

Jason Petho

[Borst50]

WOW...this stuff is better than the comedy channel..., and I hope no one took offense at that...sheesh...I know certain issues are a slight bit volitile....What ever happened to the fun? I am not speaking for anyone else...Bur I am here, (in the forum), for love of the game, nothing else...This was my favortie game back in the Talonsoft days, and for several years, I weished I could finf it again...Then Lo...and behold...it was ressurrected from the grave...something for which I was completely surprised, AND. I believe this would never have come about but for the dedication of a group of individuals who recognized the game for what it was back it the day. As soon as I discovered the game was back on the market, I gobbled this sh&^ up quicker than snot on a sheet metal roof in summer. (Pardon my redneck-speak), So...again...I repeate...what happened to the fun?

Sure....there are going to be issues...always are....geez.....lighten up....if one doesnt like the game for what it is, then tweak your own game and operate within the parameters given....if ya wanna mod your own files....do it...it you want to play other like-minded individuals, upon an aregeed set of rules...go for it....but...if ya have to have Jason, et al, encrypt those files...what the freak is the big deal?

Ok...Reality check here....Matrix Games currently holds the license to the game.....Not Jason...Not the beta brigade, Not the Legion...whine and complain all you want..it aint gonna change unitl Matrix decides to sell the license. I dont see that happening anytime soon. So what I am thinking is Matrix has the final say so...and what that tells me is live with it. Accept it...Own it. For those individuals who dont want 1.04....and want to play a different versdion...cool....go for it...but stop already...cuz if Matrix hasnt decided to change stuff by now...I am thinking they aint inclined to do so anytime soon.

I realized I just brought down a whole world of crap ohn myself...and I am sure I will be flamed for it...but it's MY OPINION...I repeate...an opinion...no one elses.

Thanks for your time guys.3

Tom