OT - WWII quiz

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: morgil
9. What was the last country to join the Axis ?

Bulgaria ?

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: morgil

Ill throw in a few quick Q's of me own..these might be a bit harder for you guys [:)]

1. Where did Bush Sr. serve during WWII ? And as what ?
2. Who were the Nightwitches ?
3. Who sank the Bismarck ?
4. Whats the real name of Tankograd ?
5. Laconia Order. Who, why and what ?
6. Swastikas. First two countries involved in WWII to use them as unit markers ?
7. First major German loss ?
8. Where did Sven Hassel serve ? Who else did, according to him, survive from that unit ? Whats funny about it ?
9. What was the last country to join the Axis ?
10. Who did former SS Wiking members try to get removed from theire roll of veterans ? Why ?
11. What was the biggest difference between 11th and 3rd SS Divisions ?

Enjoy [8D]
And remember no looking it up [:-]

3. The Royal Navy destroyed Bismarck. The latest evidence support the claims from some of the German survivors made that they scuttled Bismarck.

Me for one do not understand why this subject is so controversial. I do not understand why it feels so important for some that it must have been a British shell or torpedo that made the wreck sunk.

-Orm

[Froonp]

IrishGuards's avatar made me want to do that :
[:D]

[brian brian]

Having never heard of the 11th SS but definitely seen the 3rd SS mentioned plenty (Totenkopf maybe?), I'll take a guess that the 11th SS was completely non-Germanic and the 3rd was completely German. ???

[IrishGuards]

That's a lovely counter .. wee shy in strength though ... maybe a 11-6 Mech ... [:)]
The tartan is actually an Anderson tartan I think .. might be Mitchell .. [X(]
I appreciate the excellent job ... I been thinkin on these lines to upgrade shall wee say .. mine is quite plain .. !!!

I was IrishDragoonGuards [&o] in the forum as my 2nd name on the forum for a few years .. then these nice guys at Matrix gave me back my first name IrishGuards ..
Appreciate the help and idea though .. Have to speak to the wee brethren .. [X(]
Cheers ..
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[Mike Dubost]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: morgil
9. What was the last country to join the Axis ?

Bulgaria ?

Do we count the "independent government" of the Phillipines set up by Japan? If so, I think it would be them, otherwise, Thailand.

[morgil]

1. Yes Bush Sr. was a carrier pilot..what Carrier ?
2. What Neilster said
3. Latest research/footage suggests that Bismarck had suffered only minor dammage below the waterline. Though the vessel was a burning hulk, the damage would not been enough to cause it to sink for a very long time, hence I would go with the scuttling by its crew.
4. Chelyabinsk is correct

6. Unless i got the dates mixed up, it was Germany and Poland. 21st and 22nd Mountain Inf. Divs used Swastikas.
7. I was thinking of the sinking of Blucher outside Oslo, atleast 800 dead, maybe not major enough :p
8. Oops. In my defence i was tired and had forgot the important bit while thinking up clever Q's
9. I was thinking Estland. In a futile attempt to stop the russians from invading them again.

11. I make it a bit easier. 11th was called Nordland, and the 3rd was Totenkopf. Nordland was mostly scandinavian volouteers.

You guys know too much [&o]

[Frederyck]

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: morgil
6. Swastikas. First two countries involved in WWII to use them as unit markers ?

Germany & Latvia, red one.
Finland too, blue one.
I believe that Latvia was involved in WWII before Finland, by the USSR take over. Unless the december 39 war between Finland & USSR counts as WWII.

Yes, Latvia. Not Lithuania. Oh well! Considering that the Finnish-Russian Winter war is part of the rules for MWiF, I'd say it's part of WWII! [:D]

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: morgil

7. I was thinking of the sinking of Blucher outside Oslo, atleast 800 dead, maybe not major enough :p

Warspite1

I think the loss of a brand new ship in such incompetent circumstances is pretty major. However, I think the number of dead is irrelevant for a question like this. Blucher was an 8-inch gunned heavy cruiser sunk in April 1940. The Graf Spee was an 11-inch gunned pocket battleship scuttled in December 1939. Therefore the first major loss was the Graf Spee. As with the Bismarck question, what finally sank the ship - British shells or torpedoes or crew scuttling is also irrelevant in determining what is a loss.

At that stage of the war Graf Spee was a major loss to the small but modern Kriegsmarine. These ships were boasted to be faster than a more powerful ship and more powerful than a faster ship. The fact was on paper, it should not have lost to the two British and one Kiwi cruisers - two of which were of the light variety - that engaged it.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: morgil

7. I was thinking of the sinking of Blucher outside Oslo, atleast 800 dead, maybe not major enough :p

Warspite1

I think the loss of a brand new ship in such incompetent circumstances is pretty major. However, I think the number of dead is irrelevant for a question like this. Blucher was an 8-inch gunned heavy cruiser sunk in April 1940. The Graf Spee was an 11-inch gunned pocket battleship scuttled in December 1939. Therefore the first major loss was the Graf Spee. As with the Bismarck question, what finally sank the ship - British shells or torpedoes or crew scuttling is also irrelevant in determining what is a loss.

At that stage of the war Graf Spee was a major loss to the small but modern Kriegsmarine. These ships were boasted to be faster than a more powerful ship and more powerful than a faster ship. The fact was on paper, it should not have lost to the two British and one Kiwi cruisers - two of which were of the light variety - that engaged it.

I would rather say the decimation of the Kriegsmarine during Weserübung. In addition to Blücher they also lost most of their destroyers in Narvik.
But the Blücher raises another Q:

Q: Why was the sinking of the Blücher important in regards to Norwegian war effort?

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: morgil
10. Who did former SS Wiking members try to get removed from theire roll of veterans ? Why ?

Enjoy [8D]
And remember no looking it up [:-]

I do not remember which division he served in, but this question makes me wanna do a semi-educated guess. Joseph Mengele first served as a medic in a SS div, so I am guessing it was Wiking, and that they wanted his name removed because of what he became after being transfered to the KZ part of SS?

*edit*
just noticed that the Laconia order Q has not been answered either.

It was an order stating that German naval vessels were not to pick up survivors from the sea (only enemy survivors I guess), and it came after KM had sunk a ship off Africa, and the KM ships that helped pick survivors from the water was attacked by an aircraft.

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: morgil

7. I was thinking of the sinking of Blucher outside Oslo, atleast 800 dead, maybe not major enough :p

Warspite1

I think the loss of a brand new ship in such incompetent circumstances is pretty major. However, I think the number of dead is irrelevant for a question like this. Blucher was an 8-inch gunned heavy cruiser sunk in April 1940. The Graf Spee was an 11-inch gunned pocket battleship scuttled in December 1939. Therefore the first major loss was the Graf Spee. As with the Bismarck question, what finally sank the ship - British shells or torpedoes or crew scuttling is also irrelevant in determining what is a loss.

At that stage of the war Graf Spee was a major loss to the small but modern Kriegsmarine. These ships were boasted to be faster than a more powerful ship and more powerful than a faster ship. The fact was on paper, it should not have lost to the two British and one Kiwi cruisers - two of which were of the light variety - that engaged it.

I would rather say the decimation of the Kriegsmarine during Weserübung. In addition to Blücher they also lost most of their destroyers in Narvik.
But the Blücher raises another Q:

Q: Why was the sinking of the Blücher important in regards to Norwegian war effort?

Warspite1

You failed to mention the loss of the Karlsruhe and the Konigsberg - both of which happened during Weserubung - but it does not alter the fact Graf Spee was lost first......I guess given the vagueness of the question, it all comes down to individual perception of what is a major loss.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

You failed to mention the loss of the Karlsruhe and the Konigsberg - both of which happened during Weserubung - but it does not alter the fact Graf Spee was lost first......I guess given the vagueness of the question, it all comes down to individual perception of what is a major loss.

Bah, I must be tired, you are ofc correct. As a matter of fact s family heirloom (a clock) was damaged during the attack on Kristiansand, so I should absolutely have remembered those two as well. *ashamed*

[Neilster]

8. Oops. In my defence i was tired and had forgot the important bit while thinking up clever Q's

Say what? So we don't get to look up answers but you get to bugger up the questions? [:D]

I don't think so champ. I demand adjudication on my answer to your bollocks question! [;)]

p.s. For the uninitiated, bollocks are the dangley bits males treasure and which are ludicrously vulnerable to excruciating injury from various activities. Yes, I know sperm production is most efficient at 36 degrees and hence outside the body cavity but surely there can be a better system than having one nad a bit higher than the other and the whole package out there for Lord knows what to happen [:D]

Cheers, Neilster

[warspite1]

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: morgil

7. I was thinking of the sinking of Blucher outside Oslo, atleast 800 dead, maybe not major enough :p

Warspite1

I think the loss of a brand new ship in such incompetent circumstances is pretty major. However, I think the number of dead is irrelevant for a question like this. Blucher was an 8-inch gunned heavy cruiser sunk in April 1940. The Graf Spee was an 11-inch gunned pocket battleship scuttled in December 1939. Therefore the first major loss was the Graf Spee. As with the Bismarck question, what finally sank the ship - British shells or torpedoes or crew scuttling is also irrelevant in determining what is a loss.

At that stage of the war Graf Spee was a major loss to the small but modern Kriegsmarine. These ships were boasted to be faster than a more powerful ship and more powerful than a faster ship. The fact was on paper, it should not have lost to the two British and one Kiwi cruisers - two of which were of the light variety - that engaged it.

I would rather say the decimation of the Kriegsmarine during Weserübung. In addition to Blücher they also lost most of their destroyers in Narvik.
But the Blücher raises another Q:

Q: Why was the sinking of the Blücher important in regards to Norwegian war effort?

Warspite1

The Blucher was carrying 2,000 troops, part of the force that was to take Oslo and capture King Haakon. As a result of the ridiculous decision to "carry on up the fjord" (good name for a comedy!), despite the fact that surprise was lost, the Blucher was quickly sunk - with over 1,000 dead.

The King, the government and General staff were able to scarper and organise what defence they could.

[terje439]

ORIGINAL: warspite1

ORIGINAL: terje439

ORIGINAL: warspite1


Warspite1

I think the loss of a brand new ship in such incompetent circumstances is pretty major. However, I think the number of dead is irrelevant for a question like this. Blucher was an 8-inch gunned heavy cruiser sunk in April 1940. The Graf Spee was an 11-inch gunned pocket battleship scuttled in December 1939. Therefore the first major loss was the Graf Spee. As with the Bismarck question, what finally sank the ship - British shells or torpedoes or crew scuttling is also irrelevant in determining what is a loss.

At that stage of the war Graf Spee was a major loss to the small but modern Kriegsmarine. These ships were boasted to be faster than a more powerful ship and more powerful than a faster ship. The fact was on paper, it should not have lost to the two British and one Kiwi cruisers - two of which were of the light variety - that engaged it.

I would rather say the decimation of the Kriegsmarine during Weserübung. In addition to Blücher they also lost most of their destroyers in Narvik.
But the Blücher raises another Q:

Q: Why was the sinking of the Blücher important in regards to Norwegian war effort?

Warspite1

The Blucher was carrying 2,000 troops, part of the force that was to take Oslo and capture King Haakon. As a result of the ridiculous decision to "carry on up the fjord" (good name for a comedy!), despite the fact that surprise was lost, the Blucher was quickly sunk - with over 1,000 dead.

The King, the government and General staff were able to scarper and organise what defence they could.

Yup, you only forgot one part of it, the invasion force was also supposed to seize the norwegian gold reserves which they did not manage to do. The gold was then moved to England and helped pay for the allied war effort.

[morgil]

I understand bullocks[:)], but not adjudication [&:]

Also terje is spot on for them other Q's

And I should had formulated my major loss question a bit better. I was thinking about first major loss of personell, but I agree that loss of a vessel like the Graf is much harder blow for the total wareffort.

Ill just answer #11 myself, SS Nordland is as close as any SS got to becoming warheroes, while SS Totenkopf was probably the worst warcriminals of the entire war.

[Neilster]

ORIGINAL: morgil

I understand bullocks[:)], but not adjudication [&:]

Also terje is spot on for them other Q's

And I should had formulated my major loss question a bit better. I was thinking about first major loss of personell, but I agree that loss of a vessel like the Graf is much harder blow for the total wareffort.

Ill just answer #11 myself, SS Nordland is as close as any SS got to becoming warheroes, while SS Totenkopf was probably the worst warcriminals of the entire war.

Adjudication means judgement.

By the way, do you know my friend Ann Danielsen from Bergen? She moved to Oslo. This might trigger your memory, she's very attractive but that's hardly a distinguishing feature in Norway! Takk for hjelpen [;)]

Cheers, Neilster

[morgil]

Ahh, I see. Yes, I adjucate, that you are with a 99% probability entirely correct.
Unfortunately I have not had the pleasure of knowingly drooling at Ann Danielsen's figure, that is, we have not been introduced.
Yes, there are a lot of attractive women here, but they are usually foreigners, like all the aussie barmaids that flock here for money and men, as there seem to be a surprisng lack of those in the fair lands of Oz.

[composer99]

Graf Spee was probably Germany's first significant loss of the war (admittedly, I say this after being at not one but two wedding receptions and their respective flows of alcohol...)... in the long term, though, her scuttling was small potatoes to the immense losses the Wehrmacht suffered on the Eastern Front, although if memory serves (not very well at the moment) they did suffer some respectable losses in Poland (indeed, the Poles in some ways put up a better fight than the French).