Airborne Mining

[pad152]

Airborne Mining, one issue I always had with it was the complete lack of feed back, not showing minefield on map, size info, or number of mines. I would like to get the same info for Airborne mining we get on ship/sub mining!

So, has Airborne mining changed/improved in any way in AE?

[jwilkerson]

Even now the minefield shows once you've driven into it - so once a Japanese TF drives into an arial laid minefield - it will show up.

Also right now (stock) no enemy minefields, or friendly minefields in non-friendly base hexes, show mine counts.

AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

[pad152]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Even now the minefield shows once you've driven into it - so once a Japanese TF drives into an arial laid minefield - it will show up.

Also right now (stock) no enemy minefields, or friendly minefields in non-friendly base hexes, show mine counts.

AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

Ok, I'm confused, so your saying in AE you don't get any icons/indication/counts of mine fields outside of a friendly base regardless of how they were laid (ML/Air dropped)?

Why should air laid mines be any different (not show an mine field icon) vs. a mine field from a minelayer?

How is the player supposed to keep track of all of their mine fields, is AE going to include a map and crayons?[;)]

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: pad152

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Even now the minefield shows once you've driven into it - so once a Japanese TF drives into an arial laid minefield - it will show up.

Also right now (stock) no enemy minefields, or friendly minefields in non-friendly base hexes, show mine counts.

AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

Ok, I'm confused, so your saying in AE you don't get any icons/indication/counts of mine fields outside of a friendly base regardless of how they were laid (ML/Air dropped)?

Why should air laid mines be any different (not show an mine field icon) vs. a mine field from a minelayer?

How is the player supposed to keep track of all of their mine fields, is AE going to include a map and crayons?[;)]

I'll repeat myself if I was unclear ...

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

[Q-Ball]

It seems a more important issue on Aerial mining is that it is impossible to intercept this mission, unlike other forms of City Attack. Still the case in AE?

[HansBolter]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: pad152

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

Even now the minefield shows once you've driven into it - so once a Japanese TF drives into an arial laid minefield - it will show up.

Also right now (stock) no enemy minefields, or friendly minefields in non-friendly base hexes, show mine counts.

AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

Ok, I'm confused, so your saying in AE you don't get any icons/indication/counts of mine fields outside of a friendly base regardless of how they were laid (ML/Air dropped)?

Why should air laid mines be any different (not show an mine field icon) vs. a mine field from a minelayer?

How is the player supposed to keep track of all of their mine fields, is AE going to include a map and crayons?[;)]

I'll repeat myself if I was unclear ...

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

I suggest rereading the question. You answered a question he didn't ask. He didn't want to know about enemy minefields, he wanted to know about friendly ones. Currently, in the base interface there is a listing of how many friendly mines are in the hex. This only appears in a base hex. Any onther hex you deploy mines into you end up having no idea how many mines you have sown in that hex. What he was asking was if AE will report friendly mine counts in non-base hexes.

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: pad152

Airborne Mining, one issue I always had with it was the complete lack of feed back, not showing minefield on map, size info, or number of mines. I would like to get the same info for Airborne mining we get on ship/sub mining!

So, has Airborne mining changed/improved in any way in AE?

How would you know the number of mines? You can only access this info if you control the base, and you cant fly a city attack mission on your own cities.

There should be a mine symbol on the map though. Frankly, Ive never laid a minefield by air in WitP, so I had no idea they didnt display a mine icon at the base.

[pad152]

You may not know the number of mines but, the player should receive some level of feedback to tell the difference between a single mission air laid mine field and a 20 mission air laid mine field.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: HansBolter

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: pad152




Ok, I'm confused, so your saying in AE you don't get any icons/indication/counts of mine fields outside of a friendly base regardless of how they were laid (ML/Air dropped)?

Why should air laid mines be any different (not show an mine field icon) vs. a mine field from a minelayer?

How is the player supposed to keep track of all of their mine fields, is AE going to include a map and crayons?[;)]

I'll repeat myself if I was unclear ...

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

I suggest rereading the question. You answered a question he didn't ask. He didn't want to know about enemy minefields, he wanted to know about friendly ones. Currently, in the base interface there is a listing of how many friendly mines are in the hex. This only appears in a base hex. Any onther hex you deploy mines into you end up having no idea how many mines you have sown in that hex. What he was asking was if AE will report friendly mine counts in non-base hexes.

I'll repeat myself if I was unclear ...

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson
AFAIK none of this changes in AE.

[jwilkerson]

ORIGINAL: pad152

You may not know the number of mines but, the player should receive some level of feedback to tell the difference between a single mission air laid mine field and a 20 mission air laid mine field.

One sees the planes flying - and can count them. That's how I've (sorta) kept track in my games. And then in the places that matter, my minesweepers sweep the fields every turn and keep them under control, so very little damage is ever suffered. What is hard to stop are the Stealth patrol planes like the Coronado with 10x500LB bombs .. they can put 30-40 damage points on a BB when in patrol mode - that they could never touch in bombing mode.

[pad152]

ORIGINAL: jwilkerson

ORIGINAL: pad152

You may not know the number of mines but, the player should receive some level of feedback to tell the difference between a single mission air laid mine field and a 20 mission air laid mine field.

One sees the planes flying - and can count them. That's how I've (sorta) kept track in my games. And then in the places that matter, my minesweepers sweep the fields every turn and keep them under control, so very little damage is ever suffered. What is hard to stop are the Stealth patrol planes like the Coronado with 10x500LB bombs .. they can put 30-40 damage points on a BB when in patrol mode - that they could never touch in bombing mode.

Sounds to me like you just found one more thing to fix![:D]

[Yamato hugger]

Nothing to fix here. Working as intended.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

It seems a more important issue on Aerial mining is that it is impossible to intercept this mission, unlike other forms of City Attack. Still the case in AE?

Very important question that seems to have been lost in the shuffle. Any answer to this? Thanks.

[Shark7]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

It seems a more important issue on Aerial mining is that it is impossible to intercept this mission, unlike other forms of City Attack. Still the case in AE?

Very important question that seems to have been lost in the shuffle. Any answer to this? Thanks.

That is THE most important questions. As of right now I won't play a PBEM without a HR abolishing or extremely limiting this mission type because of that.

[pad152]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Nothing to fix here. Working as intended.

If planes on patrol like a Coronado can attack and do damage they couldn't due in a bomb run isn't broken, then what is? [8|] Sounds more like working as usual!

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Shark7

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

It seems a more important issue on Aerial mining is that it is impossible to intercept this mission, unlike other forms of City Attack. Still the case in AE?

Very important question that seems to have been lost in the shuffle. Any answer to this? Thanks.

That is THE most important questions. As of right now I won't play a PBEM without a HR abolishing or extremely limiting this mission type because of that.

Sorry to keep asking, but I'm really curious. Thanks.

[witpqs]

I thought it was established (in a way earlier thread) that aerial mining missions were almost never intercepted IRL.

If true, then even if the game is correct now ('almost never' in the code might mean that you never actually see an interception when one scrolls by - you being a mere mortal!), then the real problem has been the availability of mines. That issue they say they've addressed big time in AE.

Not trying to really deflect your question, just point out that they might have fixed what you encounter even if the specific answer to your question is 'SAIEW'.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

I thought it was established (in a way earlier thread) that aerial mining missions were almost never intercepted IRL.

If true, then even if the game is correct now ('almost never' in the code might mean that you never actually see an interception when one scrolls by - you being a mere mortal!), then the real problem has been the availability of mines. That issue they say they've addressed big time in AE.

Not trying to really deflect your question, just point out that they might have fixed what you encounter even if the specific answer to your question is 'SAIEW'.

I have no problem with that, if it is the answer. The concern I have is that it can be exploited massively in the game as it currently is.

[Halsey]

Short answer...

All mining ability will be affected by production output of these devices.


Do to your interest in this topic.
It has been resurrected on the AE forum site.
To the chagrin of some.[:D]

[Sardaukar]

ORIGINAL: Halsey

Short answer...

All mining ability will be affected by production output of these devices.

That will resolve this issue, bit hard to exploit when running out of mines...