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RE: Vista Dead?

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Why upgrade? hmm..easy answer(for me at least) my xppro system took a long walk off a short pier. not worth fixin. New system cost something like 600 bucks with vista home premium 500gb hd, 2gigs ram. Sure I got my xp disks lying around but 3/4 of the hardware in this new system doesnt like xp so when I did try, funky things happened.

I just got a new machine a couple of weeks ago, and buying the computer without an OS already installed on it thanks to my old Windows XP disks saved me £100.

And it runs everything fine, so. Seems like £100 well saved! I'll get Vista when and only when something I want to use requires it, but that does not seem likely in the near future.

I don't really have anything against Vista per se, beyond its pointlessness.
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I don't care about Vista either at all, but my old computer running XP died (hardware) so I purchased a new PC and it has Vista x64 with 8GB of RAM and it runs good.  I had Vista on my old PC with 2GB of RAM and then I upgraded to 4GB of RAM and still ran like crap.  However on this new PC it runs fine with 8GB of RAM and Quad Core CPU but that is a lot  of memory to run an OS smoothly this isn't server OS.  XP is still the best, here's hoping Windows 7 is the new XP as Vista should have been.
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Unless you are running an old machine and don't understand computer hardware, I can understand the hate towards Vista.
BUT,
If you have a newer machine or are considering a new machine...

Check RAM prices folks. DDR2, they are basically giving it away.
You can purchase a 4 GB set, that is 2 sticks of 2 GB each for around $50.
4 GB is plenty enough to run even Visat premium 64 bit.
Sure Vista is a hog for memory but just get more of it. it is cheap.

There is only so much memory you can put on the board, and I'm not playing with the OS. Hopefully if the OS is good I won't even notice the OS, it'll just be doing its thing in the background.

Therefore there isn't really any burning reason to get Vista, it seems to me. Windows XP does the deed (indeed usually Linux/Wine does the deed). So what benefit is there in upgrading to Vista? None at all. Sure, you can put in more memory to account for hogs, but why would I want to do that? Why would I want a big chunk of memory used up on the OS when it could either be un-bought in the first place or used on the applications I want to run?
I wasn't saying or implying for you to upgrade. I am just basically responding to the OP and others here who think Vista is a bad OS.
Keep using whatever OS you have, enjoy!
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Therefore there isn't really any burning reason to get Vista, it seems to me. Windows XP does the deed (indeed usually Linux/Wine does the deed). So what benefit is there in upgrading to Vista? None at all. Sure, you can put in more memory to account for hogs, but why would I want to do that? Why would I want a big chunk of memory used up on the OS when it could either be un-bought in the first place or used on the applications I want to run?

No, you don't need to rush out and buy a new OS. I didn't, but I built a new system so went with Vista. I gotta say that the DX10 games are friggin' beautiful, though. [;)]
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Memory prices are in the cellar, it's not like it once was.

4 gig's really won't break the bank.

That being said, I still run XP.
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Yep, just got the bought some 1GB DDR2 800 sticks to stock up the shop a couple days ago...  couldn't pass them up.. $14 apiece. [X(]
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It seems that Microsoft is fast tracking the next version of windows. They are already showing beats to software developers.

I am glad that i never brought this OS, I will just wait for the next version of windows.



Might require Vista to get it at Update price like how XP Required W98/Me and W95 paid full.

Vista isn't that bad and Next version might be 2 yrs away.

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In doing some checking before purchased my system it looked like getting 4 GIGs was better than 2. At least for my future needs. I agree Windows 7 (or what ever the final name is) will likely use more of it.

My first business PC had 1 meg. And I was lucky as some co-workers had to make do with 512K...LOL. Ah life in the 80's...
XP inside Vista



"640K is enough...Bill Gates"



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In 80's -on I ran my 386 Dx 33 with its 2 MB Ram
with 634K Free Ram [;)]


One back then used memory prgs, I used Quemm
and with it and tinkering with autoexe and Config sys I loaded all but
6K of drivers in upper Ram

Left me with for its time a Fast 386 with plenty of Ram

The Old original Grigsbys Pacific War (WITP is its child)
Really wanted 600K+ Ram or you had some crashs.

Ah those were days of 40-80 MB HDD... and a 1 Gig HD was a dream...

1 Gig RAM was fantasy...

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Vista is the world's first environmentally unsound OS. It's a power hog, requiring so much system memory and a GPU running the whole time that you're in Windows. It's also a total dog without at least a dual-core CPU. Phooey!

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Maybe when working it takes more however it is better then XP in my view in
its ability to sleep and you have easier options to custom the
idle time for it to sleep the monitor and sleep the Cpu/HDD

It also wakes up near instantly.


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I was dreading having Vista after all the bad things I'd heard about it but, to be honest, it's been fine. I did have to turn UAC and some other stuff off, but after that I've had no probs.


Turning off UAC reduces Vistas better security in that it then runs I think like a
XP Admin acct and anything nasty getting in will gain admin privs.

The POINT of UAC is ant action requiring ADMIN action like installing updates, programs, etc requires MANUAL user action to approve ADMIN level action.

Turning off UAC leaves your PC auto installing updates, virius, trojans, etc.

I keep UAC on, the only times it comes up is where I need do something that requires that Admin level.

Otherwise your then simply using the PC at a User level like XP's user accts... to do things requiring admin in XP you have to log out of user acct and log into admin acct, with vista , with UAC on you simply OK the temp allowing of acct to admin level to do something like install a program.

My viewpoint is UAC safeguards you from what was a big weakness in XP... unless
used XP in User acct, you were open to attks if say surfed the net using
XP admin acct.

In Vista anything requiring installing pretty much demands you approve it via UAC...

Something not expected you can deny admin level and so
be safer.

So turning off UAC ... weakens security

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Upgrading an OS doesn't bother me as much as all the games that will no longer work on the new OS. Even dosbox can't salvage everything like Industry Giant II and High Heat Baseball 2000. Then as some have said there are sound issues if you use onboard sound or older sound cards like Soundblaster 5.1 Live or even an Audigy 24 card. Now some games I can give up, but, not my Combat mission series nor Steel Panthers and I've read that Vista plays hell with one if not all of the Combat Mission series. All I see the new OS doing is making it so more graphics power can be put into games so they can go beyond remakes of the games like Call of Duty and Half Life and Doom and the rest of those that have been made over to death for years already. So, we'll begin to see Doom VI & VII and Halflife 45 and Call of Duty infinity etc. It was years before I finally moved from Win98 because there were just so many dos games that wouldn't work on XP and when dosbox finally appeared then I didn't have a problem moving to XP. But, now with Vista we are going to have Win95 and Win98 and even XP games that just aren't going to work with it and who knows what Windows 7 is going to do to past games working. To me a new OS so soon after XP is like a 25" tv coming out after 24" ones have been distributed all over the world. It's just rediculous to really buy the 25" when 24" works just fine and 25" isn't that much of an improvement to warrant spending so much money on it.


I have had no problems using Dos and W9x games in vista.

You may need to set some things up in the properties, theres compatiability modes..

For some games, the problem is NOT in the OS but in the Hardware, for instance , original Railroads tycoon will run on a XP pc but the XP Pc has such fast processor vetc that it runs at a manic speed...unless use a prg to SLOW down the game

So for a number of games its the hardware, especially processor changes... but also possiable RAM changes.

If the Game can handle the hardware then if a problem running with the OS one can tinker in properties, some games require a specific graphics mode for instance.

I Run easy on vista Birth of the Federation ... a Old W95/98 game, also Civ II is fine, as also some games, a few are problems one because of the mouse driver
it runs but the mouse doesn't work right, it needs a Dos mouse and driver presumly...

What one should do if get a New PC is keep old, you can refurbish it,
keep XP on it or install Win98 (with Win9x I'd not through use the PC on
internet, too vulnerable.. but for use for games unconnected...)

So before blame OS for problems look at hardware... it can be wireless mouses use different drivers then a game expects same with some keyboards..


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I agree that Vista is crap on old computers, but it works great on new computers. IMO it was/is priced way to high.



Agree on price, even XP is pricier, The w98 full was $100, Upgrade $50
XP pushed it to $200/100

Now I can expect theres costs and all and such but doubling the prices each OS is WHY microsoft has pirates.

Microsofts Pricing FEEDS piracy.

It also causes resistance in upgrading, if Next OS is like $500 upgrade $1000 Full
I hardly think any normal joe will buy it.

If Microsoft still had XP and Vista at $100/$50 they would have far less resistance in upgrading and more units of the OS sold and less moving to other OS like
Linux or for non-gamers... Mac's...

Even a Nominal increase like to 125/75 would been more bearable

But $200 for full or $100 for Upgrade to XP and even more
for Vista upgrade is why less buy Vista and why their OS is pirated in my view.


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Actually, it's the other way around - Microsoft is popular because of the piracy. If there wasn't piracy it wouldn't have so much advantage in numbers over Linux, which would mean that there would be more games for Linux. Which would mean that there wouldn't be any reason to use Microsoft's system.
Computers with pre-installed Linux appeared in stores only after police started seriously fighting the piracy of Microsoft systems (Because now when Micro$oft dominates the market, piracy is no longer useful for them.).

Anyway, I won't buy any Microsoft's system. Not after I had to actually phone to them to activate Windows XP on my mother's computer and after I had to deal with installation procedures for OEM version which looked like they were made by someone clinically insane.
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