AE Land and AI Issues [OUTDATED]

This new stand alone release based on the legendary War in the Pacific from 2 by 3 Games adds significant improvements and changes to enhance game play, improve realism, and increase historical accuracy. With dozens of new features, new art, and engine improvements, War in the Pacific: Admiral's Edition brings you the most realistic and immersive WWII Pacific Theater wargame ever!

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paid for the work?

paid? paid? my god if theyre getting paid get the 'faster whips' out!!!!!

i think to be fair this is a volunteer project for which we should all be truly grateful
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Hell, to the best of my knowledge (and I pray I am wrong on this) not only do I not get paid for this, but I have to buy the game as well [X(]
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Hell, to the best of my knowledge (and I pray I am wrong on this) not only do I not get paid for this, but I have to buy the game as well [X(]

NO WAY!!!!! [X(]

thats what you get for not fixing EVERYTHING
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The AE development and testing teams are all volunteers. But we do get the pleasure of dealing with the forums.


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ORIGINAL: Don Bowen

The AE development and testing teams are all volunteers. But we do get the pleasure of dealing with the forums.

Brings to mind this:




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The AE development and testing teams are all volunteers. But we do get the pleasure of dealing with the forums.




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The AE development and testing teams are all volunteers. But we do get the pleasure of dealing with the forums.




This comment brings to mind Feinder's avatar...[;)]

edited for typo.
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I have found something nice and quite useful (there are larger formations only):
Allied OOB in Burma:
http://www.fireandfury.com/orbats/paccommonwealth_burma.pdf
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I have not seen this answered as of yet, Is there any chance of losing ground leaders to combat action?  Thanks in advance
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Another quick question.
 
I had asked this when AE was first announced and it was not determined yet, so Ill give it a go again:
 
What major land focres (division level for infantry, major armour units and HQ units) are the Allies going to see as reinforcements from Europe for the invasion of Japan?
 
Is this going to include air and naval assets being amassed and transfered from Europe for the upcoming uber battle? Some kind of increase in supply overall as the need in Europe decreases after the surrender of Germany?
 
Thanks in advance.
 
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Mixed is the honest answer

Allies get more supply and a lot of replacements

Various nations get additional forces post 10/45

US gets First US Army with about 14 Inf Divs and 2 Armoured Divs post 8/45
CW Gets X Br Corps (Tiger Force) as part of 1st US Army (1 Canadian, 1 RM and 1 British Div, 2 Armoured Bdes and an AGRA plus support)
CW in India gets 4th 8th and 10th Indian Divs returning from the Middle East
Dutch get 1st KNIL Div
French get 9th Colonial Div, 1st Regt de Cheval and Groupemant Massau Ard Bde

So about 20 - 25 Divisional Equivalents arriving from 8/45 into 46

p.s. Japanese also get additional forces but more modest as they are mostly home guard formations

In the air also additonal forces including elements of the Mighty Eighth and Bomber Command arrive at sea its a little more restrained as pretty much everything that could have been transferred already had been but the build options go on for both sides

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US gets First US Army with about 14 Inf Divs and 2 Armoured Divs post 8/45

As always, thanks for the reply Andy.

As for the above, wow! Having the option to invade the Home Islands late war seems like a blast. With that many divisions to throw around, plus the ones already onboard, it would be quite the showdown.
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That is not a lot of force to achieve what you will need to achieve the Japanese Militia Divs and other forces will make any attack on the HI a chancy business even with those forces - knocking out the Japanese armament industry and reducing those armament points is going to be very important
 
Also even in 45 the allies don't have unlimited lift this isnt like Normandy where England was just a few miles away.
 
Olympic will be very very tough
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That is not a lot of force to achieve what you will need to achieve the Japanese Militia Divs and other forces will make any attack on the HI a chancy business even with those forces - knocking out the Japanese armament industry and reducing those armament points is going to be very important

Also even in 45 the allies don't have unlimited lift this isnt like Normandy where England was just a few miles away.

Olympic will be very very tough

With that in mind, when do the Europe troops start to show up in AE? Because, IIRC, the game ends March 1946.

I know it would be once tough fight, but like you said, it would take years of preparation (ie. B-29's bombing Home Islands), but it would be a blast to attempt.

Edit:

Just re-read your earlier post and you answered my question there; they arrive Aug 1945 into 1946.
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Yeah but a lot of them are Aug 45 in BRITAIN you still need to get them to the Pacific.....some arrive in Canada or in the US but a lot are arriving in Britain and need to be shipped to the front - better be carefull with those APA's and AP's your going to need em and not for invasions !!!!
 
Heavy casualties in AP, APA, LST type ships are going to be difficult to sustain AK's are NOT now quasi amphibs you need to really really really protect those amphibs !!!
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Yeah but a lot of them are Aug 45 in BRITAIN you still need to get them to the Pacific.....some arrive in Canada or in the US but a lot are arriving in Britain and need to be shipped to the front - better be carefull with those APA's and AP's your going to need em and not for invasions !!!!

Heavy casualties in AP, APA, LST type ships are going to be difficult to sustain AK's are NOT now quasi amphibs you need to really really really protect those amphibs !!!

This is one of the unfortunate drawbacks of a 'scripted' game like WitP/AE - IRL if the Allies had suffered particularly heavy losses in any particular ship class by 1945 they would have ramped up construction of that class to provide replacement - sadly this cannot easily be modelled. Of course same also applies to aircraft types, etc. etc. etc.

Still waiting for that release notice though!!!!
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True but we are where we are - at least we managed to make it slightly reactionary for LCU's witht he invasions reinforcements
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ORIGINAL: Andy Mac

Yeah but a lot of them are Aug 45 in BRITAIN you still need to get them to the Pacific.....some arrive in Canada or in the US but a lot are arriving in Britain and need to be shipped to the front - better be carefull with those APA's and AP's your going to need em and not for invasions !!!!

Heavy casualties in AP, APA, LST type ships are going to be difficult to sustain AK's are NOT now quasi amphibs you need to really really really protect those amphibs !!!

This is one of the unfortunate drawbacks of a 'scripted' game like WitP/AE - IRL if the Allies had suffered particularly heavy losses in any particular ship class by 1945 they would have ramped up construction of that class to provide replacement - sadly this cannot easily be modelled. Of course same also applies to aircraft types, etc. etc. etc.

Still waiting for that release notice though!!!!

Easy to model with conversions--as long as you aren't playing an RHS variant.
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RE: Admirals Edition Land Thread

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Andy,

I have reservations about Dutch forces being raised. The NEI was a simmering pot of rebellion BEFORE the islands fell to the IJA. One reason why the Dutch capitulated so quickly was a fear that once the Japanese landed, natives would turn on their European colonial masters and commit massacres in every town and city.

When the war ended, Aussie troops had to remain in place in Borneo and Java both to disarm th Japanese and maintain order until the colonial administration could "spool up" and take charge of keeping the natives down.

The KNIL units were typically officered by Dutchies but composed mostly of islanders. The prevailing sentiment IRL (and here too, I think) was that they were not fit for combat. So I'm a bit saddened to see the KNIL Division being formed so quickly after reconquest of the NEI.
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