OT: HBO's Taking Chance

[PunkReaper]

Just a quick observation. The military/ individual soldiers seem to be getting treated much better during the Iraq war than it did following the Vietnam War, both unpopular wars. Don't wish to be political just genuinely interested in how they are perceived in the US.

[Missouri Rebel]

There is a group of "private individuals" in France (can't remember what they call themselves) who are raising funds to go
to the US to kidnap the individuals to bring them to trial, they will then use the Ransom to do it over and over aigan.
That would of course be illegal to do itself, but based on what i read in their newspaper add here in Scandinavia
they seme to be "semi fanatic's" I know sevral of my coulegs have donated quite alot of money to them, we had a collecting box on work for a whole week.
(Now just for the record, I have not donated any money to them because i do not want to finance crime).

Really? Please tell us the name of this group and your place of employment, Kristoffer Hanson. I am sure your employer would not be happy knowing that funds for such an illegal activity were being collected at their business. What are the names of your colleagues that are financing such an illegal endeavor? Or are you just as compliant as they are?

Here's an idea. Next time you come to America (was it 15 or was it 20 times?) I would like to know. And when you come around here spouting that filth you might just see the extent of our education, or lack thereof.

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: Missouri Rebel

Really? Please tell us the name of this group and your place of employment, Kristoffer Hanson. I am sure your employer would not be happy knowing that funds for such an illegal activity were being collected at their business. What are the names of your colleagues that are financing such an illegal endeavor? Or are you just as compliant as they are?

Here's an idea. Next time you come to America (was it 15 or was it 20 times?) I would like to know. And when you come around here spouting that filth you might just see the extent of our education, or lack thereof.

Hey aigan sir, well to say it aigan, this types of activety is not something I support sir,
so you need to search the info on them yourself, because I don't realy care about such groups sir.
We have a clollection "for a good purposes" every week at work, and it is my employer who initiates them.
I did mentioned it just to give you an impression, don't understand why you got upset sir.
I understand you wanted the names and address btw, so i sent it to you in a PM, it feels far more correct to send it in a PM then to post it in a forum.
(Hope thats ok). Anyway, PM is sent sir.
I'm going to visit Seattle in March, but I'm not sure I understand why you wanted to know that sir?
Anyway, don't blame me for others actions sir, I think I have mentioned several times that I do not support it sir.

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: Punk Reaper

Just a quick observation. The military/ individual soldiers seem to be getting treated much better during the Iraq war than it did following the Vietnam War, both unpopular wars. Don't wish to be political just genuinely interested in how they are perceived in the US.

This is my impression as well, I don't know why that is btw.

[vonRocko]

ORIGINAL: Missouri Rebel



Here's an idea. Next time you come to America (was it 15 or was it 20 times?) I would like to know. And when you come around here spouting that filth you might just see the extent of our education, or lack thereof.

What happened to: 'I may not agree with what you say,but I will defend,with my life, your right to say it' ?
C'mon Missouri rebel, that was unAmerican.[:D]

[Brigz]

This thread has become something like a bad auto accident. You don't want to look but you have to because you just can't believe what you're seeing.[8|]

[Missouri Rebel]

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

What happened to: 'I may not agree with what you say,but I will defend,with my life, your right to say it' ?
C'mon Missouri rebel, that was unAmerican.[:D]

He does have the right to say what he wants. That doesnt mean that it wont evoke a reaction from others. Japan has sent me some info as he has stated. I applaud that. Yet I still find the statement that they are collections of good purpose rather disturbing. Im not sure if they are there for shock value or to collaborate his claims. Either way, I will refrain from posting to this thread again because at times I am guilty of losing my cool in text only to regret it later.

As for the difference between this and Viet Nam are many. I would suspect the nightly kill totals and the reporting was much more available during VN. Also, friendly casualties are not near the numbers of VN. And maybe we have learned from our mistakes? There is nothing wrong with being against the war in Iraq. I surely am. But to take it out on the troops doing their jobs seems a strange and terrible thing to me. (an action I have not seen on this forum btw)

mo reb

[Japan]

ORIGINAL: Missouri Rebel

ORIGINAL: vonRocko

What happened to: 'I may not agree with what you say,but I will defend,with my life, your right to say it' ?
C'mon Missouri rebel, that was unAmerican.[:D]

He does have the right to say what he wants. That doesnt mean that it wont evoke a reaction from others. Japan has sent me some info as he has stated. I applaud that. Yet I still find the statement that they are collections of good purpose rather disturbing. Im not sure if they are there for shock value or to collaborate his claims. Either way, I will refrain from posting to this thread again because at times I am guilty of losing my cool in text only to regret it later.

As for the difference between this and Viet Nam are many. I would suspect the nightly kill totals and the reporting was much more available during VN. Also, friendly casualties are not near the numbers of VN. And maybe we have learned from our mistakes? There is nothing wrong with being against the war in Iraq. I surely am. But to take it out on the troops doing their jobs seems a strange and terrible thing to me. (an action I have not seen on this forum btw)

mo reb

Well, Justice is a good purposes.
The only reason to why I personably did not support them is because the ones who receives the funds intend to commit a crime to secure the Justice.
But principally I think that any war criminal should be prosecuted,
If a serviseman Torture or Murder anyone then i Indeed think he should stand trial, as that is a very serious act, and a violation of international law. It might not need to be a violation of US law, but it is a violation of International law, human rights and laws of war.

Also, that tribunal is not there to prosecute every rank and file soldier in the field, but there to prosecute the ones not important enugth for the Haag tribunal.
It will focus on the individual soldier or officer who conduct murders or torture ect.

Now, the reason to why I personably did not support it is because i feel it is Justice done the wrong way, I don't think anyone shall commit a crime to secure Justice.


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[morvwilson]

Like it or not, there are some countries that just don't get along with other countries and have long standing conflicts. (Turkey and Greece for instance)
Submitting to a foreign court only opens the door for abuse.
Also, when enlisting in the US military, you take an oath to defend the constitution of the United States, not some other entity.
So, turning our soldiers over to some foreign tribunal would be a betrayal of that individual.

[pasternakski]

ORIGINAL: Dave Briggs

This thread has become something like a bad auto accident. You don't want to look but you have to because you just can't believe what you're seeing.[8|]

I can't believe it hasn't been locked a long time ago. Knock off the political bullsh1t, people. Let's stay within the forum rules.

[Terminus]

I'm still wondering why people STILL CAN NOT GODDAMN UNDERSTAND THAT THE MATRIX FORUMS ARE NOT A FUCKING DEMOCRACY!!!!

[Rodwell]

Movie didn't look too interesting to be honest. I prefer actual combat scenes.

[Arctic Blast]

ORIGINAL: Rodwell

Movie didn't look too interesting to be honest. I prefer actual combat scenes.

I tend to wards that as well, but I've been rather impressed with Kevin Bacon's work of late...and like I said before, HBO doesn't tend to make crap.