AE Air Issues and Air OOB Issues [OUTDATED]

[Dixie]

In a similar vein to the Highball Mossies, 617 and 9 Sqn were (I believe) specifically asked for by the US in anticipation of more Tallboy raids on Japanese targets.  They would have been deployed some time before Tiger Force as a whole would have been ready for action.

[bradfordkay]

I can't imagine the Mosquito airframe handling arrested carrier landings for very long. How thoroughly did they test that idea? 

[macbeth]

In response to mikemike the dambuster squadrons used the Avro Lancaster.

[DuckofTindalos]

Yes, but Mosquitos were used while testing the bombs, which is what his post said.

[Sardaukar]

Would there be any chance to see some more Combat reports about air combat in AE testing? Pretty please! [;)]

[mikemike]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

I can't imagine the Mosquito airframe handling arrested carrier landings for very long. How thoroughly did they test that idea?

Eric Brown says he was asked in September 1944 to test a B.IV fitted with an arrester hook but otherwise standard to clear this modification for arrested landings with a deceleration of 1.9 g. Apparently this worked well enough, although I can't imagine they expected extended operations seeing the type of target this was intended for.

What's really remarkable is that the pilots of 618 Sqn did their carrier qualification by landing a Mossie on a CVE!

[mikemike]

ORIGINAL: macbeth

In response to mikemike the dambuster squadrons used the Avro Lancaster.

ORIGINAL: Terminus

Yes, but Mosquitos were used while testing the bombs, which is what his post said.

Operation High Ball used a miniaturized version of the Dambusters bomb (codenamed "Upkeep") which was ball-shaped instead of cylindrical and probably weighed a ton or less instead of almost three tons. It was designed by Barnes Wallis as well and operated on the same principle. The footage in the "Dambusters" movie was actually from an official "High Ball" test; footage from "Dambusters" tests may either have been unavailable, still classified (unlikely) or unsuitable for use in a feature film (because of bad quality).

Information about the bouncing bombs: http://www.computing.dundee.ac.uk/staff/irmurray/bigbounc.asp#bounce

Short film showing "Highball" trials: http:///www.youtube.com/watch?v=o3ohMEZ-d3I

Short film about "Upkeep" bombs: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qrN0iVJjLgU

[ggm]

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I was wondering how late war special materials shortages will affect japanese aircraft production and plane performance. according to a source late war production problems reduced the ability of ki-84 and ki-100 so as to give american pilots a noticeable bonus. perhaps a reverse allied zero bonus?
 
ggm
 

[Apollo11]

Hi all,

ORIGINAL: ggm

I don't know if this has been discussed before, but I was wondering how late war special materials shortages will affect japanese aircraft production and plane performance. according to a source late war production problems reduced the ability of ki-84 and ki-100 so as to give american pilots a noticeable bonus. perhaps a reverse allied zero bonus?

ggm

Historic WWII is over the very second you start the WitP (or Witp-AE) game... [;)] after that you are making your own history as Japan or Allies... [:)]


Leo "Apollo11"

[Barb]

Just a question:

What is average sortie ratio per squadron in AE?

For example:
IRL bomber squadrons of 16 planes had usually 12 planes ready for action on a day if unit was involved in day to day operations.
For small strikes (CAS, interdiction, ...) Squadron used 3-6 planes.
If operation was conducted by Bomb Group (Say airfield strike) this accounted for 4x6 (24)planes on a mission.
Only when on special operation (like famous Wewak Raid or Bismarck Sea Battle) almost every available plane was used to number 36-48 per Bomb Group, but this generaly required few days of rest before action.

24 plane fighter squadrons have something like 16 planes operational of which 12 were used on planned operations.

This account for something like 75% serviceability and 50% sortie rate for a unit.

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: Barb

Just a question:

What is average sortie ratio per squadron in AE?

For example:
IRL bomber squadrons of 16 planes had usually 12 planes ready for action on a day if unit was involved in day to day operations.
For small strikes (CAS, interdiction, ...) Squadron used 3-6 planes.
If operation was conducted by Bomb Group (Say airfield strike) this accounted for 4x6 (24)planes on a mission.
Only when on special operation (like famous Wewak Raid or Bismarck Sea Battle) almost every available plane was used to number 36-48 per Bomb Group, but this generaly required few days of rest before action.

24 plane fighter squadrons have something like 16 planes operational of which 12 were used on planned operations.

This account for something like 75% serviceability and 50% sortie rate for a unit.

Well 2 things here separate and distinct from 1 another.

1) Early war, the allies threw everything they could find in the air without regard to "must send up 16 planes and 2 spares" as they did in late war.

2) In the game, YOU decide how many planes to send up. If you are a good commander and rotate your squadrons keeping them fully supplied with pilots and aircraft, well rested and repaired they should launch consistantly between 16 and 24 aircraft. If on the other hand you are like most WitP players and keep your squadrons on the line without regard to their morale, training, or numbers of serviceable aircraft, you will be lucky to get 3 planes in the air on a given day.

If your question is: does the game idiot-proof the allies and make them make smart decisions? Then the answer is no, it doesnt.

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

If on the other hand you are like most WitP players and keep your squadrons on the line without regard to their morale, training, or numbers of serviceable aircraft, you will be lucky to get 3 planes in the air on a given day.

Ouch, ouch, ouch! Good job guys! [8D]

[m10bob]

ORIGINAL: witpqs

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

If on the other hand you are like most WitP players and keep your squadrons on the line without regard to their morale, training, or numbers of serviceable aircraft, you will be lucky to get 3 planes in the air on a given day.

Ouch, ouch, ouch! Good job guys! [8D]

Like the man said......no more "uber-CAP"...

[DuckofTindalos]

The two things are not directly connected. Even if you have a full-strength, newly-established, balls-to-the-wall fighter squadron, there's still no uber-CAP.

[JeffroK]

Searching for some confirmation
 
Elsewhere I am having trouble in convincing a modder that his data is possibly incorrect.
 
Can the following be confirmed, or questioned by those who have spent hours on updating AE?
 
Albacore,    sbe 1x.303F Browning & 2xVickers K TR
Avenger I/II replace Vickers K with Brownings
FM2 Wildcat,  4 x 50cal
Martlet V, is equivalent to F4F-4/FM1 not the FM2 .
A36A MUSTANG, not Apache, should have either 4 or 6x50cal, not 4x50cal & 4x30cal.
F4U-1 & Corsair I,  6 x 50cal
P26A,should be 2x30cal or 1x50cal & 1x30cal.
P43A,  sbe 4x50cal.
P400,  sbe 1x20mm, 2x50cal & 4x303
Kittyhawk I should be Kittyhawk 1A, only small numbers of KittyI and about 20x P40D made. Both RAAF & RNZAF used KittyIA with 6x50cal.
Sunderland III, replace 12.7mm Vickers with Brownings, maybe 2x303 Vickers K remain in S mount.
Vengenace,  most used in Burma/New Guinea had 4x50cal (This may be A31 against A35 but only 1 slot used)
Vildebeest,  1x 303Browning F & 1 x .303 Vickers K TR
Wellington IC should be replaced by IIIC, Unsure of what units were equipped with, they may have arrived in theatre with IC but upgraded to IIIC Looking further.??
 
Thanks

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Searching for some confirmation

Elsewhere I am having trouble in convincing a modder that his data is possibly incorrect.

Can the following be confirmed, or questioned by those who have spent hours on updating AE?

Albacore,    sbe 1x.303F Browning & 2xVickers K TR
Avenger I/II replace Vickers K with Brownings
FM2 Wildcat,  4 x 50cal
Martlet V, is equivalent to F4F-4/FM1 not the FM2 .
A36A MUSTANG, not Apache, should have either 4 or 6x50cal, not 4x50cal & 4x30cal.
F4U-1 & Corsair I,  6 x 50cal
P26A,should be 2x30cal or 1x50cal & 1x30cal.
P43A,  sbe 4x50cal.
P400,  sbe 1x20mm, 2x50cal & 4x303
Kittyhawk I should be Kittyhawk 1A, only small numbers of KittyI and about 20x P40D made. Both RAAF & RNZAF used KittyIA with 6x50cal.
Sunderland III, replace 12.7mm Vickers with Brownings, maybe 2x303 Vickers K remain in S mount.
Vengenace,  most used in Burma/New Guinea had 4x50cal (This may be A31 against A35 but only 1 slot used)
Vildebeest,  1x 303Browning F & 1 x .303 Vickers K TR
Wellington IC should be replaced by IIIC, Unsure of what units were equipped with, they may have arrived in theatre with IC but upgraded to IIIC Looking further.??

Thanks

And this is in the AE thread why?

[vettim89]

I searched but could not find it. I know this is just pure fanboyism, but I was wondering if the P-47 models are further divided out. Specifically I was wondering of the -N model is included. Production should start probably Dec 1944. There were 1800 -N models produced with the bulk going to Pacific. This mod had "wet wings" and a range of 2000 NM. Also have a slightly better roll rate.

Sorry if this is rediculous to ask but was just wondering

[JeffroK]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

ORIGINAL: JeffK

Searching for some confirmation

Elsewhere I am having trouble in convincing a modder that his data is possibly incorrect.

Can the following be confirmed, or questioned by those who have spent hours on updating AE?

Albacore,    sbe 1x.303F Browning & 2xVickers K TR
Avenger I/II replace Vickers K with Brownings
FM2 Wildcat,  4 x 50cal
Martlet V, is equivalent to F4F-4/FM1 not the FM2 .
A36A MUSTANG, not Apache, should have either 4 or 6x50cal, not 4x50cal & 4x30cal.
F4U-1 & Corsair I,  6 x 50cal
P26A,should be 2x30cal or 1x50cal & 1x30cal.
P43A,  sbe 4x50cal.
P400,  sbe 1x20mm, 2x50cal & 4x303
Kittyhawk I should be Kittyhawk 1A, only small numbers of KittyI and about 20x P40D made. Both RAAF & RNZAF used KittyIA with 6x50cal.
Sunderland III, replace 12.7mm Vickers with Brownings, maybe 2x303 Vickers K remain in S mount.
Vengenace,  most used in Burma/New Guinea had 4x50cal (This may be A31 against A35 but only 1 slot used)
Vildebeest,  1x 303Browning F & 1 x .303 Vickers K TR
Wellington IC should be replaced by IIIC, Unsure of what units were equipped with, they may have arrived in theatre with IC but upgraded to IIIC Looking further.??

Thanks

And this is in the AE thread why?

I was hoping that someone might like to help. After all, many have provided information to help the AE team

Of course the AE thread is sacred and should never be stepped upon.

[timtom]

ORIGINAL: vettim89

I searched but could not find it. I know this is just pure fanboyism, but I was wondering if the P-47 models are further divided out. Specifically I was wondering of the -N model is included. Production should start probably Dec 1944. There were 1800 -N models produced with the bulk going to Pacific. This mod had "wet wings" and a range of 2000 NM. Also have a slightly better roll rate.

Sorry if this is rediculous to ask but was just wondering

What's the saying? There's no stupid questions, only stupid answers? [:)]

Two versions of the -D, the -N, plus RAF Mk.I & II.

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: timtom

ORIGINAL: vettim89

I searched but could not find it. I know this is just pure fanboyism, but I was wondering if the P-47 models are further divided out. Specifically I was wondering of the -N model is included. Production should start probably Dec 1944. There were 1800 -N models produced with the bulk going to Pacific. This mod had "wet wings" and a range of 2000 NM. Also have a slightly better roll rate.

Sorry if this is rediculous to ask but was just wondering

What's the saying? There's no stupid questions, only stupid answers? [:)]

Two versions of the -D, the -N, plus RAF Mk.I & II.

I will never ceased to be amazed at how many questions we have asked where the answer is: "Its in there". AE team you are awesome. We are not worthy!

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