Greetings,
As a stop-gap until the next War In Russia patch is released, an update has been created.
This is known as War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
The changes have been created with the sole emphasis on historical accuracy, without any partisan bias.
Aircraft Changes ~
Mig-1, Mig-3 have maneouver values significantly reduced 24/25(now not much better than a BF-110). In reality the Mig series was a poor design, first used as an interceptor, then as a ground attack, and finally as a reconnaisance aircraft (failing in all three roles).
As result of poor armament (as bad as the Oscar-1), flight instability and poor turn radius, it was despised by its pilots. It has now been represented accurately. It is the most numerous modern fighter in VVS inventory at the start of the war, with adequate range for escort, however also among the least airworthy.
Lagg-3, manouver values decreased and durabilty values increased. The Lagg was a highly durable design with adequate maneouverability, average speed, and high resistance to damage.
Yak-1, maneovuer values increased to 31. The Yak-1 was the best Soviet fighter at the beginning of the war, and though not as fast as the Mig-3, was considered the best dogfighter.
I-16 maneouver values greatly increased to between 28 to 33 depending on model.
The I-16 was a difficult aircraft to acquire. The low speed and high maneouver means an aircraft which is effective in the evasion phase of air combat, however still ineffective at shooting down fast moving targets. Historically it was considered a favourable design by its pilots, and switching to more modern designs (such as the Mig-3) were resisted.
TB-3 now listed as Level Bomber. During the early phases of the war, the TB-3 was used mainly in the bomber role. Since parachuting is disabled in War In Russia Mod, these changes are of little consequence with regards to transport ability (supply transport is still functional in all level bombers).
I-152 now listed as fighter. Upgrades to other aircraft designs were circumvallated by the fighter-bomber designation.
Axis aircraft changes are marginal. The majority are increases in the manvouer values of the older designs (such as biplanes). Specifically, the Hs-126 recon maneouver value is greatly increased, and casualties from Recon missions are reduced. Small changes in maneouver, durability, and range have been effected.
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Land unit changes ~
ISU-100 range increased to 4. ISU-122 and ISU-152 range increased to 3.
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Strategic Changes ~
Axis Pilot Pool is increased. Now units can be filled to capacity without draining the pool.
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The files may be obtained from ~ the e-mail
Stormwolf_15xl@hotmail.com
War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
Moderators: wdolson, Don Bowen, mogami
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Commander Stormwolf
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War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
"No Enemy Survives Contact with the Plan" - Commander Stormwolf
RE: War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
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Hello Mark
AD[/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] MiG [/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]
Your classification series[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] MiG[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 1 as far as 3 is very superficial plus inaccurate. He should upon this type in more detail inform.
Value[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Mnvr[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] was given[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Matrixem[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] on 31. (!)
Dani Mendoza she relatively radically reduced to 28 (3 steps in those scale mean relatively much)
A you she do you want cut yet below? Why? Because aircraft had "[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial]poor[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] design" ?? where itself on such sideleather came??
Where on such idiocy came??
In the year 1939 (rise[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] MiG[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 1) it was design absolutely peak plus aircraft be part of fastest in the world!!
Really sadly about this type something read through , plus uselessly nocriticise really modern type fighter planes.
As though had mistakes plus pilots (who retraining most of oldest types I- 5 -15) at him complain nothing means, read through how much for example[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Me[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 109 was far - gone at landing.
AD[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Lagg[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 3
Behind his production she was standing above all high political power ([/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial]Berija[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]), that is why began produce. Soviet pilots him he said varnished urn (Lakyrovanyj Grob) plus with his durability it wasn't so good how assert.
Was heavy, underpowered plus thanks of poor quality production sometimes break down in air.
AD[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Yak[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 1
In all with you all right, it is impossible near hereof type override a little lower immunity. But flat it very good type for dogfight.
AD old types
I -16
Leave in would without changes, aircraft was at one time relatively fast, but in the year 41 was already very slow plus globally little dexterous. ("fast speed stone")
I 15 -153
Here would agreed increasing[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Mnvr[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial], already earlier I'm it author proposed.
Possibly I- 15 be of value 24, it is a very little, was it highly manoeuvrable biplane.
AD axis aviation:
What concrete changes design for?[/font][/font]
Hello Mark
AD[/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] MiG [/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]
Your classification series[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] MiG[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 1 as far as 3 is very superficial plus inaccurate. He should upon this type in more detail inform.
Value[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Mnvr[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] was given[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Matrixem[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] on 31. (!)
Dani Mendoza she relatively radically reduced to 28 (3 steps in those scale mean relatively much)
A you she do you want cut yet below? Why? Because aircraft had "[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial]poor[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] design" ?? where itself on such sideleather came??
Where on such idiocy came??
In the year 1939 (rise[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] MiG[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 1) it was design absolutely peak plus aircraft be part of fastest in the world!!
Really sadly about this type something read through , plus uselessly nocriticise really modern type fighter planes.
As though had mistakes plus pilots (who retraining most of oldest types I- 5 -15) at him complain nothing means, read through how much for example[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Me[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 109 was far - gone at landing.
AD[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Lagg[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 3
Behind his production she was standing above all high political power ([/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial]Berija[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]), that is why began produce. Soviet pilots him he said varnished urn (Lakyrovanyj Grob) plus with his durability it wasn't so good how assert.
Was heavy, underpowered plus thanks of poor quality production sometimes break down in air.
AD[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Yak[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 1
In all with you all right, it is impossible near hereof type override a little lower immunity. But flat it very good type for dogfight.
AD old types
I -16
Leave in would without changes, aircraft was at one time relatively fast, but in the year 41 was already very slow plus globally little dexterous. ("fast speed stone")
I 15 -153
Here would agreed increasing[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Mnvr[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial], already earlier I'm it author proposed.
Possibly I- 15 be of value 24, it is a very little, was it highly manoeuvrable biplane.
AD axis aviation:
What concrete changes design for?[/font][/font]
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Commander Stormwolf
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RE: War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
Greetings,
A distinction must be made between vertical speed characteristics and maneouver capability.
A maneouver is defined as an acrobatic action taken by an aircraft.
These include -->
Split-S
Immelman
Loop
Rolling Scissors
Hammerhead
Horizontal Circle
It must be understood that the Mig-3 was not effective in these maneouvers.
The Mig-3 was the F-4 phatom of its day. High speed and poor turn radius, making it useless for dogfights (as result of high wing loading). Its sole purpose was the interception of high altitude bombers. The I-16 was the Mig-17 of its day, highly maneouverable and well liked by its pilots for its dogfighting capability. If fact in late 1942, plans were made for the re-starting of the manufacture of I-153 and I-16 aircraft.
These values must be kept separate. A high speed means an ease of target acquisition in the WITP engine, and high maneouver means once acquired, the aircaft is capable of evading with greater ease. Such values should be accurately represented. It is suggested that the game 'Aces Over Europe' be played (specifically the 1941 Barbarossa mod). It is an accurate simulation of air combat of this period, as it was created 15 ago when sources about aircraft performance were less confabulated (history has ben re-written many times).
In the hands of a skilled pilot, the I-16 was most certainly a threat (pilot quality being a primary factor in all air combat equations). In the hands of a novice, the Mig-3 (just as the F-4 phantom) was a deathtrap. The bleeding of airspeed would have resulted from any rudimentary maneovuers, and unless careful zoom tactics were utilized, the Mig-3 was a helpless aircraft (as proven by the fact that it was quickly withdrawn from service and relegated to reconnaisance duties). The external guns were a further drawback on performance (similar to the external cannon mounted on the F-4 phantom).
The Yak-1 was kept in service and future Soviet fighters were derived from the Yak-1 concept (both speed and Maneouverability, and 20mm cannon).
Once again these matters must be analyzed from an scientific perspective.
A distinction must be made between vertical speed characteristics and maneouver capability.
A maneouver is defined as an acrobatic action taken by an aircraft.
These include -->
Split-S
Immelman
Loop
Rolling Scissors
Hammerhead
Horizontal Circle
It must be understood that the Mig-3 was not effective in these maneouvers.
The Mig-3 was the F-4 phatom of its day. High speed and poor turn radius, making it useless for dogfights (as result of high wing loading). Its sole purpose was the interception of high altitude bombers. The I-16 was the Mig-17 of its day, highly maneouverable and well liked by its pilots for its dogfighting capability. If fact in late 1942, plans were made for the re-starting of the manufacture of I-153 and I-16 aircraft.
These values must be kept separate. A high speed means an ease of target acquisition in the WITP engine, and high maneouver means once acquired, the aircaft is capable of evading with greater ease. Such values should be accurately represented. It is suggested that the game 'Aces Over Europe' be played (specifically the 1941 Barbarossa mod). It is an accurate simulation of air combat of this period, as it was created 15 ago when sources about aircraft performance were less confabulated (history has ben re-written many times).
In the hands of a skilled pilot, the I-16 was most certainly a threat (pilot quality being a primary factor in all air combat equations). In the hands of a novice, the Mig-3 (just as the F-4 phantom) was a deathtrap. The bleeding of airspeed would have resulted from any rudimentary maneovuers, and unless careful zoom tactics were utilized, the Mig-3 was a helpless aircraft (as proven by the fact that it was quickly withdrawn from service and relegated to reconnaisance duties). The external guns were a further drawback on performance (similar to the external cannon mounted on the F-4 phantom).
The Yak-1 was kept in service and future Soviet fighters were derived from the Yak-1 concept (both speed and Maneouverability, and 20mm cannon).
Once again these matters must be analyzed from an scientific perspective.
"No Enemy Survives Contact with the Plan" - Commander Stormwolf
RE: War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
A distinction must be made between vertical speed characteristics and maneouver capability.
yes...
It must be understood that the Mig-3 was not effective in these maneouvers.
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Your comparison account exceedingly stupid...
If fact in late 1942, plans were made for the re-starting of the manufacture of I-153 and I-16 aircraft.
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So it be of interest information, I wonder whereof she got??
Restart production I- 153 plus I- 16 at the time production[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][size=2] Yak[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"]- 7 plus[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Lag[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"]- 5 ? Do you think it seriously ??
By the way[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Polikarpov[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] be in political disgrace near[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Stalina[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] plus think out series good aeroplanes, but will never already wasn't realized to the production.
Walks see , that the about political background production aviations in USSR lack nor presentiment.
These values must be kept separate. A high speed means an ease of target acquisition in the WITP engine, and high maneouver means once acquired, the aircaft is capable of evading with greater ease. Such values should be accurately represented. It is suggested that the game 'Aces Over Europe' be played (specifically the 1941 Barbarossa mod). It is an accurate simulation of air combat of this period, as it was created 15 ago when sources about aircraft performance were less confabulated (history has ben re-written many times).
[font=arial][font=arial][center][/font][/font][font="times new roman"]I think as though are funds enough separate plus I don't know what herewith infer. As though was[/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Mig very[/font][/font][font="times new roman"] fast plus his pilot could select form of combat is fact, with which heavy something do.[/font][font="times new roman"][font=verdana][font=verdana][size=2] [/center][/font][/font]
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In the hands of a skilled pilot, the I-16 was most certainly a threat
[font=verdana][font=verdana][center]Memoirs Soviet pilots this way talks. I 16 was without question popular aircraft near Soviet pilots, but only to the moment, than started militate against Germans plus identified, that the this type is already long ago obsolete.[/center][/font][/font]
In the hands of a novice, the Mig-3 (just as the F-4 phantom) was a deathtrap.
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Yes it you're right. In the same way what was the problematic transition Soviet pilots on I- 16 in years 1934- 6 from old biplane. Even it forced rise two - seat practice version. [/font][/font]
The bleeding of airspeed would have resulted from any rudimentary maneovuers, and unless careful zoom tactics were utilized, the Mig-3 was a helpless aircraft (as proven by the fact that it was quickly withdrawn from service and relegated to reconnaisance duties).
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End production be connected with transition plant producing high-altitude engine[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial][size=2] Mikulin AM[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]-[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] 35A[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] on production classical version AM- 35 for battleplane[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] IL[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 2. Terms hereof step are enough known inclusive telegram[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Stalina[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] injunctive production stop. Do you know text hereof telegram ??[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial]
MiG[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] in active service didn't end, just on the contrary, be highly taxation plus relegation to anti - aircraft defence of all significant cities plus industrial centres, where serve as far as to the year 46, gradual was substitute above all[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Spitfires IX[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]. Escape production high impersonator fighter aviation sincerely regretted plus plant , that is of originally manufactured yet completed several tenners pcs . from semifinished part plus later even made small serial with star engine.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/mig9-1.html[/font][/font]
The external guns were a further drawback on performance (similar to the external cannon mounted on the F-4 phantom).
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Will never here haven't seen on no[/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] MiG[/font][/font][font="times new roman"]- 3 behindhand external cannon or machine - guns. You yes ??
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Once again these matters must be analyzed from an scientific perspective.
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Therefrom that fortunately shall we firm matrix plus that already these piece of knowledge analyzed.[/font][/font]
Sorry my bad english.
Dali
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yes...
It must be understood that the Mig-3 was not effective in these maneouvers.
[font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana]Advise read through Pokryskhina , that writes otherwise.[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
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[font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana][font=verdana]The Mig-3 was the F-4 phatom of its day. High speed and poor turn radius, making it useless for dogfights (as result of high wing loading). Its sole purpose was the interception of high altitude bombers. The I-16 was the Mig-17 of its day, highly maneouverable and well liked by its pilots for its dogfighting capability[/font][/font][/font][/font][/font][/font]
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Your comparison account exceedingly stupid...
If fact in late 1942, plans were made for the re-starting of the manufacture of I-153 and I-16 aircraft.
[font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"]
So it be of interest information, I wonder whereof she got??
Restart production I- 153 plus I- 16 at the time production[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][size=2] Yak[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"]- 7 plus[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Lag[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"]- 5 ? Do you think it seriously ??
By the way[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Polikarpov[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] be in political disgrace near[/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Stalina[/font][/font][/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] plus think out series good aeroplanes, but will never already wasn't realized to the production.
Walks see , that the about political background production aviations in USSR lack nor presentiment.
These values must be kept separate. A high speed means an ease of target acquisition in the WITP engine, and high maneouver means once acquired, the aircaft is capable of evading with greater ease. Such values should be accurately represented. It is suggested that the game 'Aces Over Europe' be played (specifically the 1941 Barbarossa mod). It is an accurate simulation of air combat of this period, as it was created 15 ago when sources about aircraft performance were less confabulated (history has ben re-written many times).
[font=arial][font=arial][center][/font][/font][font="times new roman"]I think as though are funds enough separate plus I don't know what herewith infer. As though was[/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] Mig very[/font][/font][font="times new roman"] fast plus his pilot could select form of combat is fact, with which heavy something do.[/font][font="times new roman"][font=verdana][font=verdana][size=2] [/center][/font][/font]
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In the hands of a skilled pilot, the I-16 was most certainly a threat
[font=verdana][font=verdana][center]Memoirs Soviet pilots this way talks. I 16 was without question popular aircraft near Soviet pilots, but only to the moment, than started militate against Germans plus identified, that the this type is already long ago obsolete.[/center][/font][/font]
In the hands of a novice, the Mig-3 (just as the F-4 phantom) was a deathtrap.
[font=verdana][font=verdana]
Yes it you're right. In the same way what was the problematic transition Soviet pilots on I- 16 in years 1934- 6 from old biplane. Even it forced rise two - seat practice version. [/font][/font]
The bleeding of airspeed would have resulted from any rudimentary maneovuers, and unless careful zoom tactics were utilized, the Mig-3 was a helpless aircraft (as proven by the fact that it was quickly withdrawn from service and relegated to reconnaisance duties).
[font=verdana][font=verdana]
End production be connected with transition plant producing high-altitude engine[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial][size=2] Mikulin AM[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]-[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] 35A[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] on production classical version AM- 35 for battleplane[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] IL[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]- 2. Terms hereof step are enough known inclusive telegram[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Stalina[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] injunctive production stop. Do you know text hereof telegram ??[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial]
MiG[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial] in active service didn't end, just on the contrary, be highly taxation plus relegation to anti - aircraft defence of all significant cities plus industrial centres, where serve as far as to the year 46, gradual was substitute above all[/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial][font=arial] Spitfires IX[/font][/font][/font][font=arial][font=arial]. Escape production high impersonator fighter aviation sincerely regretted plus plant , that is of originally manufactured yet completed several tenners pcs . from semifinished part plus later even made small serial with star engine.
http://www.airwar.ru/enc/fww2/mig9-1.html[/font][/font]
The external guns were a further drawback on performance (similar to the external cannon mounted on the F-4 phantom).
[font="times new roman"]
Will never here haven't seen on no[/font][font="times new roman"][font="times new roman"] MiG[/font][/font][font="times new roman"]- 3 behindhand external cannon or machine - guns. You yes ??
[/font]
Once again these matters must be analyzed from an scientific perspective.
[font=verdana][font=verdana]
[/font][/font][font=verdana][font=verdana]
Therefrom that fortunately shall we firm matrix plus that already these piece of knowledge analyzed.[/font][/font]
Sorry my bad english.
Dali
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HerzKaraya
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RE: War In Russia Mod ~ 1.21a
Hi,
just found out about this thread. Thanks Stormwolf for patch 1.21 - one of the beauties of WiTP is it´s editor, enabling anybody (like myself) editing any scenario or
creating a monster Mod.
As I told you on the other forum, your considerations will be taken into account, in fact many changes in the MVR arena will be implemented in version 1.3.
Some others, won´t - for example range changes for AFVs - I will stay consistent to one source, in this case JTCS.
I´m a pilot myself, believe me when I tell you that I understand maneuvers, be it vertical or horizontal, air combat and other factors influencing it.
What I´m not is a programmer, even less a WitP programmer - so I don´t know the formula it´s engine uses to simulate air combat. What affects aircraft
positioning, what affects evasion? What may have worked in "Aces over Europe" (I believe a FlightSim) may not be applicable directly in a strategy game.
How does it come that in WitP, game designers/programmers (who know the formula) have given the I-15 and I-16 a MVR value of 29 and the Hellcat and Corsair a MVR value of 36-37? Are those two american designs known for their excellent aerobatics/turn ratio or more for their speed, engine power, sturdiness, firepower? I believe that the Polikarpovs, specially the "Chato", would turn inside any of the heavier opponents, yet he is 27% less maneuvrable. I guess the WitP engine does calculate air combat without sepparating horizontal/vertical and maneuver/speed the same way as Aces over Europe does?
I repeat, all MVR values have been reasessed, biplanes and earlier fighters will get their numbers increased, and I cannot neglect data on late war russian aircraft, which might get better stats as well.
My sources: WiTP, Bombing the Reich and Battle of Britain, all by the same designers. Also "Soviet Air Power in WW2" by Yefim Gordon.
BTW, in the future, I really would appreciate that, if you create a variation of the Mod of your own, you would call it "Stormwolfs WiR 1.2", like the Nikmod or so many others,
it´s easier that way for everybody to distinguish them and easier to agree to play one or the other as PBEM (and not use different versions).
Hopefully many versions would come out, it would show Matrix how DESPERATE we are for a great Eastern Front game!!!
Thank you
just found out about this thread. Thanks Stormwolf for patch 1.21 - one of the beauties of WiTP is it´s editor, enabling anybody (like myself) editing any scenario or
creating a monster Mod.
As I told you on the other forum, your considerations will be taken into account, in fact many changes in the MVR arena will be implemented in version 1.3.
Some others, won´t - for example range changes for AFVs - I will stay consistent to one source, in this case JTCS.
I´m a pilot myself, believe me when I tell you that I understand maneuvers, be it vertical or horizontal, air combat and other factors influencing it.
What I´m not is a programmer, even less a WitP programmer - so I don´t know the formula it´s engine uses to simulate air combat. What affects aircraft
positioning, what affects evasion? What may have worked in "Aces over Europe" (I believe a FlightSim) may not be applicable directly in a strategy game.
How does it come that in WitP, game designers/programmers (who know the formula) have given the I-15 and I-16 a MVR value of 29 and the Hellcat and Corsair a MVR value of 36-37? Are those two american designs known for their excellent aerobatics/turn ratio or more for their speed, engine power, sturdiness, firepower? I believe that the Polikarpovs, specially the "Chato", would turn inside any of the heavier opponents, yet he is 27% less maneuvrable. I guess the WitP engine does calculate air combat without sepparating horizontal/vertical and maneuver/speed the same way as Aces over Europe does?
I repeat, all MVR values have been reasessed, biplanes and earlier fighters will get their numbers increased, and I cannot neglect data on late war russian aircraft, which might get better stats as well.
My sources: WiTP, Bombing the Reich and Battle of Britain, all by the same designers. Also "Soviet Air Power in WW2" by Yefim Gordon.
BTW, in the future, I really would appreciate that, if you create a variation of the Mod of your own, you would call it "Stormwolfs WiR 1.2", like the Nikmod or so many others,
it´s easier that way for everybody to distinguish them and easier to agree to play one or the other as PBEM (and not use different versions).
Hopefully many versions would come out, it would show Matrix how DESPERATE we are for a great Eastern Front game!!!
Thank you
Vista, suerte y al toro!