Round two - DING YH v TS

[PeteG662]

WT Door,
 
Do you have any of the areas or headquarters under computer control? That could explain your computer controlled sub.
 
Pete

[witpqs]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Ever see "Operation Petticoat"? By the bras in the water following them [:D]

Actually the easiest way is by radio intercept. A sub will radio a contact report (if possible). A radio operators "style" is like a fingerprint (or so Im told) and after doing it a while you can tell 1 from another. Ive read a few books about the "Ultra" intercepts in the ETO and they had so many messages to decode, they looked first at the operators they knew were various HQs.

Then again, could be simple as a surfaced sub attack (which happens), or the guy on the radio saying "Hey you, this is me, we are here and did it" in the clear. Thats why S-2's get paid [;)]

Pink sub spotted, sir! [:D]

OK, I got it - so no hole there in FOW. Excellent.

[W T Door]

Nope, I kep everything under human control. I have no idea why it's doing this. I also have a problem with the AI grabbing off merchant ships and sending them, via the worst possible route, to backwater bases.

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: Monter_Trismegistos

Do you have part of combat report showing minisubs operations?

Do you have a "I don't really care button" for minisubs? I am not being a troll here (or at least not intentionally). I am amazed/impressed/in awe of what the AE team has been able to accomlish. The bits and pieces I have seen look like it is everything I would want the game to be. That said, when I see the discussion about midget subs I get frustrated. Historically they were used twice for little or no effect at PH and Sydney Harbor. From a historical accuracy standpoint, I have no problem with them being included. From the perspective of some one who has been waiting for AE for a year, it peeves me that the limited time and resources the AE team has avaible to it were used on including this piece of Chrome.

The AE team had an enormous wish list of things players would like to see included. The team members have posted numerous replies to many of these requests that it was "SAIEW" or "beyond the scope" or "maybe in a future patch ". Point being that things that have a ligitamate reason to be included in AE were left out because it was not feasible to everything and still get AE out in our lifetimes. So yes, it peeves me that the time and energy was spent on minisubs when historically they were irrelevant to a Strategic game. I am not saying they didn't have an impact just that there presence did not alter the strategic course of the war at all.

[Dili]

"That said, when I see the discussion about midget subs I get frustrated. Historically they were used twice for little or no effect at PH and Sydney Harbor."

The Japanese submarines I-10, I-16 and I-20 arrived on three weeks later on May 29. I-10's reconnaissance plane spotted the Ramillies at anchor in Diego Suarez harbor but the plane was spotted and Ramillies changed her berth. I-20 and I-16 launched two midget submarines, one of which managed to enter the harbor and fired two torpedoes while under depth charge attack from two corvettes. One torpedo seriously damaged Ramillies, while the second sank an oil tanker (British Loyalty, later refloated). Ramillies was later repaired in Durban and Plymouth.

Midgets could had success, even Japanese ones. Italians with midgets sunk 3 Soviet submarines in Black Sea and with chariots 2 British Battleships, and almost 20 merchants. And if we add the "suicide" launches a CA and a DE.

[vettim89]

ORIGINAL: Dili

"That said, when I see the discussion about midget subs I get frustrated. Historically they were used twice for little or no effect at PH and Sydney Harbor."

The Japanese submarines I-10, I-16 and I-20 arrived on three weeks later on May 29. I-10's reconnaissance plane spotted the Ramillies at anchor in Diego Suarez harbor but the plane was spotted and Ramillies changed her berth. I-20 and I-16 launched two midget submarines, one of which managed to enter the harbor and fired two torpedoes while under depth charge attack from two corvettes. One torpedo seriously damaged Ramillies, while the second sank an oil tanker (British Loyalty, later refloated). Ramillies was later repaired in Durban and Plymouth.

Midgets could had success, even Japanese ones. Italians with midgets sunk 3 Soviet submarines in Black Sea and with chariots 2 British Battleships, and almost 20 merchants. And if we add the "suicide" launches a CA and a DE.

My apologies for ommitting the IO action. Swiss cheese memory disorder.

[Dili]

. I think the issue here is besides the usual navigation/sea state problems with midgets is if the Naval Base has a good level of patrols. From reading about X-MAS operations in Mediterranean i can easily see they could have had much more success if the British didn't made extensive patrols and devoted so many resources to anti-infiltration , even going to the point of launching small drop charges random even if they didn't detected anything. X-Mas got a good level of success in North Africa after invasion, certainly at that time the harbours were not much protected. With AE appearing to have an Harbour Patrol Task force that should one of factors in success or not by Midgets.

[Yamato hugger]

Dec 9:

2nd Formosa reg of the 48th along with several art and engineer units begin unloading at Aparri. Battle division 7 under V Admiral Yoshitomi in his flagship Nagato stands guard 160 miles off shore.

4 of my TBs intercept 8 Brit PTs at San Fernando. 1 TB is exchanged for 4 PTs.

2 Jap DDs engage and sink an AK NE of Jolo.

Fighter sweep over Singapore shoots down 2 Buffs for no loss.

3 Bettys without escort were lost trying to attack a TF off Bataan.

Several harassment attacks on ground units in northern Malaya. Heavy strikes on the airbase at Taiping.

Not much damage at Hong Kong from several raids by light bombers.

3 separate submarine attacks against ASW forces (PBs - patrol boats) missed. ASW failed to locate each time. Sub attack at Singora resulted in 3 hits on the attacker.

I shot down 11 more DC-2s at Hong Kong today (16 total reported lost).

Oklahoma shows up on sunk ships report now.

That was it for the battles. Pretty light day. Lost contact with Lexington. Last I saw her, she was headed north west. I have patrol planes in Chi-Chi Jima and Saipan looking for him with 2 CVLs approaching from the west and the KB coming from the east. his only way out is to the north, and I think he knows it. My carriers dont have the fuel to chase him north without meeting up with their tankers and if I do that he will escape anyway.

Subs reported laying off ports in northern Borneo. 65th bde is almost done loading and will start its journey to Cayagan tomorrow. Battle division 6 under V Admiral Moizumi in the Hyuga will escort. 2 CAs and 1 CL have yet to meet up with the TF but all 3 will within 2 or 3 days. Long before they reach Mindanao.

[Mistmatz]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Dec 9:

2nd Formosa reg of the 48th along with several art and engineer units begin unloading at Aparri. Battle division 7 under V Admiral Yoshitomi in his flagship Nagato stands guard 160 miles off shore.

4 of my TBs intercept 8 Brit PTs at San Fernando. 1 TB is exchanged for 4 PTs.

2 Jap DDs engage and sink an AK NE of Jolo.

Fighter sweep over Singapore shoots down 2 Buffs for no loss.

3 Bettys without escort were lost trying to attack a TF off Bataan.

Several harassment attacks on ground units in northern Malaya. Heavy strikes on the airbase at Taiping.

Not much damage at Hong Kong from several raids by light bombers.

3 separate submarine attacks against ASW forces (PBs - patrol boats) missed. ASW failed to locate each time. Sub attack at Singora resulted in 3 hits on the attacker.

I shot down 11 more DC-2s at Hong Kong today (16 total reported lost).

Oklahoma shows up on sunk ships report now.

That was it for the battles. Pretty light day. Lost contact with Lexington. Last I saw her, she was headed north west. I have patrol planes in Chi-Chi Jima and Saipan looking for him with 2 CVLs approaching from the west and the KB coming from the east. his only way out is to the north, and I think he knows it. My carriers dont have the fuel to chase him north without meeting up with their tankers and if I do that he will escape anyway.

Subs reported laying off ports in northern Borneo. 65th bde is almost done loading and will start its journey to Cayagan tomorrow. Battle division 6 under V Admiral Moizumi in the Hyuga will escort. 2 CAs and 1 CL have yet to meet up with the TF but all 3 will within 2 or 3 days. Long before they reach Mindanao.

What the TB you're mentioning. I only know torpedo bomber but in this case there seems to be another meaning. Could you explain please?

[wild_Willie2]

Torpedo Boats ?
 
Smaller, earlier version of the Torpedo boat DESTROYER, aka Destroyer....

[Mike Solli]

Tomozuru class?  There were 4 of them built, all pre-war obsolete ships.

[Yamato hugger]

Kageros and Otoris are called torpedo boats as well. Probably because of tonnage.

[Yamato hugger]

Dec 10: Enterprise has been found!

2 TBs find an AK off the NW coast of Mindanao and dispatch her. And then dispatch 3 more a short time later. Then turn for home to restock ammo.

2nd JNAF co lands on Morotai - an undefended little island east of Mandano west of Peleliu.

1st and 2nd of the 66th nav gd lands on Guam.

2 AMcs make contact with an AK south of Davao. An AMc is a coastal minesweeper with 1 80mm gun and a few AA MGs. No shots were fired by either side.

20 Zeros ran a sweep over Bataan and shot down 5 for no loss. 3 of the 5 reported to be P-40Bs.

10 Zeros ran a sweep over Singapore shooting down a pair of the 7 Buffs that came to meet them.

Sallys raided Alor Star again putting 26 hits on the runway. Later attacks by Sallys destroyed a Buff on the ground.

14 Nates escorting 3 Anns met 6 fighters of the AVG over Changsha and lost 3 Nates. The AVG is China command which means if they leave their starting base at Toungoo in Burma, they can only operate out of China without spending PPs to change command. Since they leave the game in April it probably isnt cost effective to change them.

7 H81-A3 (hereafter I will call "P-40s") of the AVG ran a sweep over Hankow shooting down 4 of the Nates that intercepted.

3 Dutch Hudsons with 2 Brewster 339s escort attacked the TF landing the 1st JNAF co at Lolobato (just east of Ternate). Since I know he read my last AAR he knows I plan to use Ternate as a fleet repair base, so I expect him to mess with anything coming into it, so I am setting up recon bases before the main landings. This is 1 of the 3 that are performing this mission.

3 Blenheims attacked shipping unloading supplies at Kota Bharu. Intercepted by Claudes they hit nothing and sent 2 home damaged.

More attacks on Taiping airfield (several raids). Damage to airfield but no reports of aircraft on the ground. He has pulled his aircraft out of northern Malaya. Nells and Sallys raid it again in the afternoon. Lilys and Sonias raid Georgetown in the afternoon with same results. Airfield hits but no aircraft.

Enterprise attacks an AO 800 miles NW of Midway and sinks it. E is headed north east. I will not be able to catch him. But at least I know where he is now and can proceed with other ops.

15 Nates in support of 11 Armys advance on Changsha is intercepted by a single Flying Tiger and each side sends 1 plane home damaged. Whos afraid of this "Flying Tigers"? 4 Sonias escorted by 6 Nates meet 3 more "Flying Tigers" and again they do nothing.

A Dutch sub puts a torpedo into an AK bringing part of the 8th tank reg to Davao about 150 miles out. She has 62 flood damage (39 major). Davao is a level 3 port so if I can get her in there and take it fairly quickly I might save her. ASW escort hit the sub 3 times.

The 5th adn 9th JNAF cos land on Talaud Island, about half way between Davao and Manado. This is the 3rd recon base on the approach to Ambon / Kendari.

11 Army (6 div, 40 div, and 3rd div in reserve) assault the 20th Chinese corps east of Changsha and drive it back with a 127:1 odd attack.

2 RGC units (Japanese controlled Chinese army) backed up by the 3rd mxd bde assault the 98th Chinese corps in the hills NW of Kaifeng and only achieve 1:2 odds.

Hong Kong is bombarded by several artillery units.

Aparri falls (undefended) to the 2nd Formosa reg.

6 Chinese corps take an unoccupied Ichang.

Troopers of the 3rd Yokosuka SNLF drop on Siquijor (a level 1 airfield NW of Cayagan) and take it.

I wont be able to catch his retiring carriers but that means that he wont be able to mess with the Wake landings so the 144th has been given the green light to begin its approach. They have been standing by north of Saipan.

Ryujo is standing by south of Davao to support landings there. Since I took Siquijor this turn, this will give me eyes in the southern PI so I can find Houston and Boise. There is a parade of small TFs headed south east out of Manila. I have a 5 DD intercept force standing by in Leyte Gulf waiting for them. The troopers that took Naga have moved into Legaspi and will take it tomorrow.

In Malaya Kota Bharu is now operational (48% on runway). 1 each JAAF bn and co landed (32 av). 25th army HQ along with the bulk of the 5th division is on the ground at Singora less the 21st inf reg which is still at sea SW of Saigon. Elements are already advancing to Alor Star.

[Mike Solli]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

Kageros and Otoris are called torpedo boats as well. Probably because of tonnage.

Kageros?! Wow! Pretty capable TBs. [:D] Otoris and Tomozurus on the other hand.....

[Yamato hugger]

Sorry, Kageros are DDs. Grabbed the wrong TF when I posted that. The TBs left and 2 Kagero DDs took their place on the line and I looked at that TF without thinking - before I had my caffine [;)]

[Mike Solli]

It looks like the Otoris and Tomozurus are TBs.  Momis are considered DDs.  Interesting.  Isn't the Karii an Otori?  To be honest, I always saw it spelled Kari.  Also, I don't recognize the Yanagi.  Any idea what her class is?

[Yamato hugger]

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

It looks like the Otoris and Tomozurus are TBs.  Momis are considered DDs.  Interesting.  Isn't the Karii an Otori?  To be honest, I always saw it spelled Kari.  Also, I don't recognize the Yanagi.  Any idea what her class is?

Yanagi is Momo class. Kari is spelled Kari, you're seeing double [:D]

[Mike Solli]

Ahh, now I remember.  In CHS, doesn't the Yanagi come as an APD reinforcement?  That must be it.  I suspect in AE she starts on map and can "upgrade" to an APD if I put two and two together correctly. [:D]

[Yamato hugger]

It can convert to an "E" in AE. Thats sort of like a DE, but not. Clear as mud?

[Iridium]

ORIGINAL: Yamato hugger

It can convert to an "E" in AE. Thats sort of like a DE, but not. Clear as mud?

The only thing that's clear to me is that I want the game to poke around with right now...[:D]