3 Pz Div Barbarossa LCG

Gunner98 · Post by **Gunner98** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 7:06 am

I have started to build an EF LCG based on 3 Pz Div in Operation Barbarossa. Similar in some ways to the Invasion LCG by Craig H. Foster in that it is a Divisional level campaign and manoeuvre warfare is at the hart of it. Different in that it uses the fantastic 1.03 OOB (3rd vice 4th Pz Div), I am trying to make it as historically accurate as possible and several of 24 Pz Corps units and indeed there are cameo appearances by Guderian and some 2nd Pz Gp support elements. It has been a long while since I have built an LCG so at this stage there are only 3 stand-alone scenarios. At this point I am looking for Playtesters – anyone interested please let me know.

Scenario 1: Crossing the Bug, makes good use of the dawn attack and river crossing aspects of Ver 1.03:

GenLt Model: Your task is to take your Division deep into the enemy's depth. Your line of advance will take you to the South of Breast Litovsk where XII Army Corps will assault the old fortress, you remember that we took that fort already once in '39, it will be tougher for them this time. 4th Pz Div is to your Right supported by 1st Cav Div, 10th Mot Div will follow you and Guderian has given me Inf Regt Gross Deutschland for my immediate reserve. You have the 455th Inf Regt from 255th Div under command to make the initial crossing of the Bug River, let them do the dirty work - get your Panzers through the forward defenses quickly. You have plenty of artillery and engineer support - enjoy it while you can. If all goes well you will be on your own soon enough!! Hoth's Panzer Group 3 will be racing for Minsk and they have a shorter distance than we do, but Gudrian is adamant that we get there no later than the 27th - five days from now - advance quickly! Von Schweppenburg.

Scenario 2: Breakout is a meeting engagement of sorts late in the day of 22 June. On board air and air recce is featured.

Radio Orders: To: Comd 3 Pz Div. From Comd XXIV Pz Corps. Bridghead secure, proceed NE as planned to achieve breakout. Enemy activity sporadic, expect counter attacks from both infantry and armourd formations but no more than Brigade Strength. 47 Pz Corps advancing well North of Brest-Litovsk. 12 Army Corps heavily engaged in the City. 4 Pz Div heavily engaged to your South, 1 Cavalry Div Committed to support.10 Mot Div follows you. Seize Kobrin by nightfall if possible but prepare for a long march into the enemy's depth tomorrow. von Swheppenberg.

Scenario 3: Advance to Bereza, is quite a bit larger and ends with both 3 Pz and 10 Mot Divs on the map by the end but strung out over 60 Km of road. This scenario also highlights on map air units.

The battle for Russia is now 24 hours old and we have made splendid progress so far! General Guderian is quite pleased; he spent most of yesterday with 47 Pz Corps to the North of Brest Litovsk where the going has been very good. His HQ is setting up in Pruzhany to the NE of your route. Today, your task is to break through to Bereza, first you must capture Luka and secure the route for the rest of the 24 Pz Corps, also important is to secure the airdrome at Koburn. A Luftwaffe support unit has been assigned to clear the airfield, it may be in operation by the end of the day. I am very concerned over the confused situation. The G2 cannot give me a clear picture of enemy activities. We know that the Russian 4th Army has sustained crippling loses but there is still plenty of combat power available to him. There are elements of 7 Russian Divisions along your route, at least one of them is mechanized and there is a Cavalry Division South of Luka. If the Russian make a concerted effort to counter attack it could be a very dangerous day, expect attacks from any direction. 10 Mot Division will follow along your route to relieve your forces. It should be 3 or 4 hours behind you. 4th Pz is still fighting in the area of Maloryta to the South supported by 1 Cavalry Division where I have had to shift the majority of my artillery. All that I can provide you is 2 Btys of heavy artillery a company of flamepanzers an anti-tank Bn and some AA units. Air support should be better today and Corps troops will be following you as quickly as they can. You have a long day ahead of you, Bereza is over 60 Km away and I want you to arrive there in at least regimental strength by last light, get moving. von Schweppenberg

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 2:08 pm

Do you use the divisions-history of the 3rd tankdivision ?
I have this in copy (german).

H.Balck

Gunner98 · Post by **Gunner98** » Mon Sep 22, 2008 6:17 pm

Unfortunatly not,
I am only starting to learn German, and I don't have the reference. Putting it together from a combination of Gudarian's Panzer Leader, corroborated by Ericson, Glantz, Fugate, Clark and Taylor. I am not too concerned about the fine detail but want to get the general thrust and geography correct. I believe the most significant errors will be in the Russian Orbat, seems that I am simply throwing units at the core formation to make it a challange.

Bart

Achsah · Post by **Achsah** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 3:02 am

fugate gets the job done

for me. sounds like a fun project

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Sat Sep 27, 2008 7:23 am

You must read:
Heydorn, Der sowjetische Aufmarsch im Bialystoker Balkon, München 1989.
for all your russian OOB Problems !
And you need The history of the 3rd tank division !!! (only in german)
Geschichte der 3.Panzer-Division Berlin-Brandenburg 1935-1945, Berlin 1967.
3rd tankdivision on river Bug in the night to 22nd june 1941:

Also I need help in my greatness Multiplayerscn Barbarossa Armygroup Center for the mod JTCS meets PG3D WWII. You can join my team ?

H.Balck

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 9:27 am

and another good map for the 22nd june 1941 - the way of the 3rd and 4th tankdivisions:

H.Balck

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 2:52 pm

Go to this side for all maps:
http://igrek.amzp.pl/mapindex.php?cat=WIG100
http://www.mapywig.org/news.php
H.Balck

example:

TAIL GUNNER · Post by **TAIL GUNNER** » Mon Feb 16, 2009 7:35 pm

Wow, cool site Balck......[X(]

Do you know of something similar for Frankreich maps?

ChadG

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 6:47 am

Hallo Juggalo
Take this:
http://www.broermapsonline.org/members/Europe/France/Normandy/isigny_sm.html
http://www.broermapsonline.org/members/Europe/France/Normandy/normandy--topo_sm.html

I used also maps 1:250000:
http://www.bilder-upload.eu/show.php?file=9QDG6KegpPYBM9V.jpg

TAIL GUNNER · Post by **TAIL GUNNER** » Tue Feb 17, 2009 11:49 am

That first link is perfect.....many thanks.[8D]

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:32 pm

Hallo Juggalo
Another good side with maps of croatia 1:100000:
http://www.avijacijabezgranica.com/karte/karteRH100/

and modern belarus-maps 1:100000:
http://maps.vlasenko.net/belarus/map1k-by.html

H.Balck

TAIL GUNNER · Post by **TAIL GUNNER** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 12:03 am

Those are indeed beautiful maps, but right now I create only battles in France, 1944.

If you happen upon good maps for the Contentin peninsula, let me know![&o]

ChadG

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 2:09 am

Hallo Juggalo
take this for more informations:
http://www.ibiblio.org/hyperwar/USA/USA-E-XChannel/index.html
http://www.history.army.mil/books/wwii/7-4/7-4_Contents.htm#toc

I think, you need this maps 1:50000 - take a overview and take the maps:

H.Balck

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Tue Feb 24, 2009 8:23 pm

good maps of belgia and france:

H.Balck

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Thu Feb 26, 2009 6:24 pm

Austria-Hungary-maps:
http://lazarus.elte.hu/hun/digkonyv/topo/3felmeres.htm

rickier65 · Post by **rickier65** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:22 pm

Gunner

I just stumbled across this thread doing a Google search on Kobrin. I'm also working on a 3rd pz Div campaign, but for a different game - Panzer Command Kharkov. I'm thinking about using Kobrin as the first battle.

In PCK, scale is much smaller, Whole map covers 1 sq Km. and units lowet units are squads and individual tanks.

In any event, I may be watching this forum.

Thanks,
Rick

rickier65 · Post by **rickier65** » Wed Apr 01, 2009 4:27 pm

ORIGINAL: Dumnorix

Do you use the divisions-history of the 3rd tankdivision ?
I have this in copy (german).

H.Balck

Dumnorix,

Thanks for posting the map reference. I also downloaded one of the sketch maps. I'm doing a Campaign game for Panzer Command Kharkov game and found this site from a google search on Kobrin.

I saw there was a 3rd Pz division History written, but I could only find it in German (which I don't know), so I'm relying on other sources for info., Panzer Leader, Hitler Moves East, Hitlers Commander, and Army Group Center, along with OOB info from Nafziger. My campaign willl only go from 6.22 through 12.41.

Do you know a good site to find OOB info for Soviet units? (that are in English language?)

In any caae thanks for maps and link.

Rick

big dawg · Post by **big dawg** » Thu Dec 24, 2009 1:06 pm

I will gladly play test your work, Bart.

Jack

dawgs85@monroeaccess.net

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Thu Jan 07, 2010 8:33 pm

a new very good map side:
http://mapy.mk.cvut.cz/list/data/Ukrajina-Ukraine/

H.Balck

Dumnorix · Post by **Dumnorix** » Fri Aug 20, 2010 9:51 am

another good side:
http://www.soldat.ru/files/4/10/102/

H.Balck

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