Surviving the first 6 months as the Allies (Long)

[SierraJuliet]

Thanks Canoerebel.... I'll keep this excellent treatise on JFB morale maintenance up my sleeve for my first PBEM.  [:D]

[String]

The allies can really turn Singapore into a fortress and frustrate the japanese to no end if they go all out on it and the japanese player does not throw the kitchen sink. Air superiority is key and heavy bombers + AVG, with some skillful P40B reinforcement and supply management, such as downgrading west coast P40B's and so on, you can achieve it for quite some time. Unless the japanese player, ofcourse, brings in the full KB. The B-17's from west coast and philippines really help in keeping the japanese airfields in malaya surpressed as well. You usually get them in singapore just as those airfields come online.

The longer you keep singapore, the longer you keep india safe. And losing India is the worst thing that can realistically happen to an allied player, aside from losing PH ofcourse.

[Oliver Heindorf]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

VS the AI? Hmmm.... Wait for AE. If playing the alies and the Jap AI starts sending unescorted ships through the Malacca Starait toward Rangoon for no f-ing reason, simply quit. Seriously, if nobody has sorted this, nothing else was fixed and you've bought the same programme whaat..five times? F-it!!, how many times can the same publisher screw a client and not call him honey?

This is the Ron we know - fight fight fight ! [:'(]

[RUPD3658]

ORIGINAL: String

The allies can really turn Singapore into a fortress and frustrate the japanese to no end if they go all out on it and the japanese player does not throw the kitchen sink. Air superiority is key and heavy bombers + AVG, with some skillful P40B reinforcement and supply management, such as downgrading west coast P40B's and so on, you can achieve it for quite some time. Unless the japanese player, ofcourse, brings in the full KB. The B-17's from west coast and philippines really help in keeping the japanese airfields in malaya surpressed as well. You usually get them in singapore just as those airfields come online.

The longer you keep singapore, the longer you keep india safe. And losing India is the worst thing that can realistically happen to an allied player, aside from losing PH ofcourse.

I don't think this would work against a human. One visit by Jap BBs and the base is shut down

[bradfordkay]

Singapore, Oahu and Manila are perhaps the only coastal airfields that might survive such a naval bombardment, due to the strength of their coast artillery - as long as they have enough supplies.

[RUPD3658]

I have run tests and (even actual PBEM turns) with BBs bombarding Singapore and Oahu. The CD guns there are paper tigers in the game.

I am not saying that this is right, just that this is the way it is in the game.

[RUPD3658]

From day 1 of the Joe Friday vs Sherlock Holmes AAR:

Naval bombardment of Singapore, at 23,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
No Allied losses

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Shell hits 19, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
431 casualties reported
Guns lost 11
Vehicles lost 1

Runway hits 5

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Naval bombardment of Singapore, at 23,50 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
Vildebeest IV: 1 destroyed
Swordfish: 1 destroyed
Blenheim IV: 1 destroyed

19 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Japanese Ships
BB Hyuga, Shell hits 1
BB Ise
BB Yamashiro
BB Fuso
BB Nagato, Shell hits 2

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Shell hits 43, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
DD Isis, Shell hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vampire, Shell hits 1, on fire
DD Tenedos, Shell hits 1, on fire
AP Manoora, Shell hits 1


Allied ground losses:
1759 casualties reported
Guns lost 19
Vehicles lost 1

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 15

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Naval bombardment of Singapore, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 2 destroyed
Vildebeest IV: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Mutsu

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Shell hits 17, on fire, heavy damage
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage
CL Danae, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
DD Vampire, Shell hits 1, on fire


Allied ground losses:
134 casualties reported

Airbase hits 1
Runway hits 6

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Naval bombardment of Singapore, at 23,50


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Buffalo I: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Haruna
BB Kongo

Allied Ships
BC Repulse, Shell hits 38, on fire, heavy damage
CL Mauritius, Shell hits 4, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
120 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 5

[Ron Saueracker]

ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

VS the AI? Hmmm.... Wait for AE. If playing the alies and the Jap AI starts sending unescorted ships through the Malacca Starait toward Rangoon for no f-ing reason, simply quit. Seriously, if nobody has sorted this, nothing else was fixed and you've bought the same programme whaat..five times? F-it!!, how many times can the same publisher screw a client and not call him honey?

This is the Ron we know - fight fight fight ! [:'(]

Haaaaaaaaaaaa. Always been a peeve of mine. [:D] Rant was on good that day. Got hit by a car while crossing at an intersection.

[Nomad]

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

ORIGINAL: Oliver Heindorf

ORIGINAL: Ron Saueracker

VS the AI? Hmmm.... Wait for AE. If playing the alies and the Jap AI starts sending unescorted ships through the Malacca Starait toward Rangoon for no f-ing reason, simply quit. Seriously, if nobody has sorted this, nothing else was fixed and you've bought the same programme whaat..five times? F-it!!, how many times can the same publisher screw a client and not call him honey?

This is the Ron we know - fight fight fight ! [:'(]

Haaaaaaaaaaaa. Always been a peeve of mine. [:D] Rant was on good that day. Got hit by a car while crossing at an intersection.

Was the car hurt? [:)]

[RUPD3658]

No but I am sure that Ron argued that his braking model was incorrect[;)]

[Ron Saueracker]

The jerk ran over my foot while turning left on a "pedestrian walk" sign. Kept on going. I caught him at the lights and cuffed the text messaging dick for good measure. Of course, the pain did not start for an hour and regrettably I figured no real harm done and failed to get his particulars, thinking a good cuff was enough. Thankfully, I've only sprained the ankle.

They really need to crack down on this cell phone/text messaging while driving crap.

[String]

RUPD, the only time my opponent tried to bombard singapore he lost a CA, had several others damaged and caused almost no damage. Also check the first team take two AAR for another example where the CD guns wreak havoc.

I agree tho, they should be more lethal

[Commander Stormwolf]

1) Avoid losing any carriers
2) Combine carriers into this type of fleet

Allied Carrier Force ~ 9/42

F4F SBD TBF

CV Lexington 60/18/15
CV Saratoga 60/18/15
CV Yorktown 60/18/15
CV Enterprise 60/18/15
CV Hornet 60/18/15
CV Wasp 30/30/12

BB North Carolina
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

CLAA San Juan
CLAA Atlanta
CLAA Juneau
CLAA San Diego

12 x Benson Class Destroyers (8 ASW)

Somewhat unassailable by surface units, submarines, or aircraft

F4F --> Shoot down any strike planes
SBD --> Sink any Carriers
TBF --> Sink any battleships

[bradfordkay]

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

1) Avoid losing any carriers
2) Combine carriers into this type of fleet

Allied Carrier Force ~ 9/42

F4F SBD TBF

CV Lexington 60/18/15
CV Saratoga 60/18/15
CV Yorktown 60/18/15
CV Enterprise 60/18/15
CV Hornet 60/18/15
CV Wasp 30/30/12

BB North Carolina
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

CLAA San Juan
CLAA Atlanta
CLAA Juneau
CLAA San Diego

12 x Benson Class Destroyers (8 ASW)

Somewhat unassailable by surface units, submarines, or aircraft

F4F --> Shoot down any strike planes
SBD --> Sink any Carriers
TBF --> Sink any battleships

I see a couple of problems with this. There are far too many aircraft in the TF, so you will be affected by the air strike coordination rule. Another problem is that with this many capital ships in the TF, signals intel is likely to make it easier to track.

A question that I have is how are you getting airgroups with 60 F4F on the carriers at this time of the war?

[String]

ORIGINAL: bradfordkay

ORIGINAL: Commander Stormwolf

1) Avoid losing any carriers
2) Combine carriers into this type of fleet

Allied Carrier Force ~ 9/42

F4F SBD TBF

CV Lexington 60/18/15
CV Saratoga 60/18/15
CV Yorktown 60/18/15
CV Enterprise 60/18/15
CV Hornet 60/18/15
CV Wasp 30/30/12

BB North Carolina
BB South Dakota
BB Washington

CLAA San Juan
CLAA Atlanta
CLAA Juneau
CLAA San Diego

12 x Benson Class Destroyers (8 ASW)

Somewhat unassailable by surface units, submarines, or aircraft

F4F --> Shoot down any strike planes
SBD --> Sink any Carriers
TBF --> Sink any battleships

I see a couple of problems with this. There are far too many aircraft in the TF, so you will be affected by the air strike coordination rule. Another problem is that with this many capital ships in the TF, signals intel is likely to make it easier to track.

A question that I have is how are you getting airgroups with 60 F4F on the carriers at this time of the war?

I think he does that by putting the 24 plane marine squadrons on them, in addition to the 36 plane VF squadrons.

Personally I'd divide this TF atleast into three separate TF's, provided I could find escorts. It would probably require most of the USN surface ships, but it's a good use.

[Yamato hugger]

As the Jap, I would LOVE to see that allied carrier force!! I'd lose a pair of CVLs sinking them.

[Miller]

Yep, not enough SBDs. I would maybe put a couple of 24 plane marine sqd's onboard at the expense of the torpedo a/c. Putting an extra sqd onboard each CV is gamey IMO.

[castor troy]

ORIGINAL: Miller

Yep, not enough SBDs. I would maybe put a couple of 24 plane marine sqd's onboard at the expense of the torpedo a/c. Putting an extra sqd onboard each CV is gamey IMO.

yep, I go with Miller here, putting an extra Marine squadron on each CV is too much... one or two, ok, but not on every one. 3 Marine squadrons in this case would be the absolute maximum IMO.

[Commander Stormwolf]

Greetings,

The 24 planes squadrons of F4F are placed on each CV.
A CAP of 300+ wildcats is virtually impennetrable,
provided that the carriers are able to remain in one hex.
With separates task forces, the Movenment co-ordination
penalty will be applied provided (when ships move more than
2 hexes in one phase) which is generally case during the
carrier reaction phase. If the USN carrier force is united,
then any threats can be absorbed. If necessary, even 10
marine squadrons can be placed on the CVs creating a 480
Wildcat CAP (at 90%).

The KB airstrikes can be attrited during the first day and
if necesssary, the fully replenished dauntless squadrons can be
flown from nearby land bases for day 2 (pulverizing the helpless
KB flight decks).

[8D]

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