MMO Group of Wargamers who also play MMOs?

[Tactics]

Maybe you guys should try Second Life.

I've never played, but am thinkig on it. My understanding is that you can create games inside the game - Or just play the game. It sounds odd, I know. A friend was telling me about a paintball war sim that is inside Second Life that was created by a subscriber AND a Battle Star Galactica game, also inside the game. I'm fuckig clueless on what it's really like in there, but maybe we could open a gambling den inside the game, or a whorehouse.

At the very least we could maybe open a purse shop and then try and grab the female avatar's asses or best case, recruit them into our flesh trade.

[madgamer2]

Just a very old guys opinion but it strikes me that these groups are a 21 century version of the cocktail party computer style. i tried a few on line games but there were always a lot of them types that ruin any party.
It looks to me that they are a natural out growth of the wired younger generation's version of a social game gathering using the computer, but then I am just an old fart from the 40's-50's or so.
if you like them do it if not don't but your wasting your time trying to figure it out.

Madgamer

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: Zakhal
This goes for vanilla mmos like wow too. Those who work hardest for the loot get the most, but thats a fair deal really. Eve is no different in that. You must work hard in mmo or othervice those who work harder win always.

I'm not interested in "winning" (I thought you couldn't win RPGs anyway?), I'm interested in /playing/, preferably my own way. If you solo you don't even notice if you're winning or not anyway, because solo implies not in competition with others.

At least in LOTRO and WoW you can solo if you want, and when bored of that its pretty trivial to find a group if you want something else. In Eve you really can't do either, theres no such concept as a pickup group in Eve, and theres no such concept as doing anything but the most mundane things in anything other than a group - bad combination.

Eve draws its tradition from ye olde space game, Elite, and Elite was a game all about freedom, which is why it was fun. Eve is decidedly not about freedom, so it isn't for me.

[NefariousKoel]

ORIGINAL: Krasny

I believe that LotRO even uses the WoW engine.

I found LotRO to be a better game than WoW, because it has a better class of player.

Naaa, Lotro uses the same engine as DDO, though it's much more tweaked and polished. I'd say it's probably the best for all-round content quality right now. Though the pvp isn't anything special, I've been back at it for the always enjoyable pve.

[String]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

ORIGINAL: Zakhal
This goes for vanilla mmos like wow too. Those who work hardest for the loot get the most, but thats a fair deal really. Eve is no different in that. You must work hard in mmo or othervice those who work harder win always.

I'm not interested in "winning" (I thought you couldn't win RPGs anyway?), I'm interested in /playing/, preferably my own way. If you solo you don't even notice if you're winning or not anyway, because solo implies not in competition with others.

At least in LOTRO and WoW you can solo if you want, and when bored of that its pretty trivial to find a group if you want something else. In Eve you really can't do either, theres no such concept as a pickup group in Eve, and theres no such concept as doing anything but the most mundane things in anything other than a group - bad combination.

Eve draws its tradition from ye olde space game, Elite, and Elite was a game all about freedom, which is why it was fun. Eve is decidedly not about freedom, so it isn't for me.

I have to disagree here, EvE IS all about freedom. You CAN solo a lot of the content, it's just harder than in a group sometimes. I know plenty of people in game (granted most of them are ocd) that handle multiple accounts and run their own little minicorps.

I have also been in two great corporations which are nothing like you described them (fascist and immature). Instead they are quite the opposite, lots of freedom to do whatever you want, players helping eachother, having fun, lots of little nice initiatives etc.


If you try really really hard you can even pretty much solo-build and get a titan, although that would require quite a bit of diplomacy and skill.


You even have they entry-level group, run by players for the players, that you so desire, called EvE university. Yeah EvE has a harsh learning cliff, but that's part of the allure it has, when you achieve something it really feels like you've achieved.


Why would anyone want to play a multiplayer game solo is something i don't completely understand though..

[bigbaba]

i played WOW but stopped right after the first expansion. why?

because i was a PVP intrested player and loved the good old PVP system:

-battlegrounds only against the opponents from the own server.
-open PVP in different stylish places (tyres hand, blackrock, southshore...)
-a epic was something hard to earn.

with the new system, all the fun is gone at least for me and my former PVP guild. its all about arena, arena and arena while open PVP and battlegrounds are dead.

warhammer was fun for a while, but its "too zergish" for me. and if you play order, you are without a chance on most of the european servers...you come with 3 warbands...the destros come with 5. also, the world is not well designed in WAR. its like a scripted singleplayer MMO. you can not walk away from the main nstreet because your movement is limitated by obstacles.

i realy hope to restart playing or at least testing MMOs when guild wars 2 is out.

[Krasny]

ORIGINAL: NefariousKoel

ORIGINAL: Krasny

I believe that LotRO even uses the WoW engine.

I found LotRO to be a better game than WoW, because it has a better class of player.

Naaa, Lotro uses the same engine as DDO, though it's much more tweaked and polished. I'd say it's probably the best for all-round content quality right now. Though the pvp isn't anything special, I've been back at it for the always enjoyable pve.

Really?

LotRO has such a similar UI and gameplay to WoW I naturally assumed Turbine used the WoW engine.

DDO's engine must truly be a diamond in the rough then.

Could you post a link that says LotRO is based on the DDO engine? It's not that I doubt you, it's just that I doubt everything.

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: String
You even have they entry-level group, run by players for the players, that you so desire, called EvE university. Yeah EvE has a harsh learning cliff, but that's part of the allure it has, when you achieve something it really feels like you've achieved.

I was /in/ Eve University, and it was the most fascist corporation I was in in my whole experience there! When there is a war the directors pod people personally who don't follow orders. Orders like "Stay docked in this station for 7 days and do not undock under any circumstances". And when people complain (and they do complain) they get told, "Play an alt", which is utterly unappealing as it means splitting your skill points up.

How fun that is, anyway. Thats why in Eve there are jokes about learning advanced station piloting 5. Riveting stuff.

Why would anyone want to play a multiplayer game solo is something i don't completely understand though..

That there are other players there is almost incidental, really. They are also based on MUDs (Eve combat is practically identical to a MUD, even the messages, X wrecks Y with his Z, are boilerplate MUD combat) and MUDding, while there are other players with you, is often (depends on the game) generally a solo experience, with the odd bit of PvP.

[String]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

ORIGINAL: String
You even have they entry-level group, run by players for the players, that you so desire, called EvE university. Yeah EvE has a harsh learning cliff, but that's part of the allure it has, when you achieve something it really feels like you've achieved.

I was /in/ Eve University, and it was the most fascist corporation I was in in my whole experience there! When there is a war the directors pod people personally who don't follow orders. Orders like "Stay docked in this station for 7 days and do not undock under any circumstances". And when people complain (and they do complain) they get told, "Play an alt", which is utterly unappealing as it means splitting your skill points up.

How fun that is, anyway. Thats why in Eve there are jokes about learning advanced station piloting 5. Riveting stuff.

Why would anyone want to play a multiplayer game solo is something i don't completely understand though..

That there are other players there is almost incidental, really. They are also based on MUDs (Eve combat is practically identical to a MUD, even the messages, X wrecks Y with his Z, are boilerplate MUD combat) and MUDding, while there are other players with you, is often (depends on the game) generally a solo experience, with the odd bit of PvP.

*shrug* Well must have been you then. Never had such experiences.

[Erik Rutins]

The most solo-friendly and casual play-friendly MMO I've found is City of Heroes. I rarely have time to play, but whenever I do even if it's just for 15-30 minutes, I can get something done and be entertained instead of spending the time looking for a group or traveling to a mission destination.

I've tried and enjoyed many MMOs for 1-2 weeks, but most would only work for me if I actually made them my hobby (which is never going to happen) and invested significant time. COH works even with minimal time investment, so I keep a subscription to that active and have it on my laptop for when I need to unwind a bit without much thought.

Regards,

- Erik

[JudgeDredd]

I play WoW. Never thought I would, but my friend eventually persuaded me to pick it up on a ten day free trial. Ended up subscribing to it and playing it a fair bit, but truth is, I have so many other games I'm finding it hard to justify the subscription. £10 a month is fine if I play it enough, but more and more I'm finding myself with games that demand more attention from me (BoAII, CoG:EE, Ka-50 Black Shark...the list goes on)...and these are games that I really want to learn and get into.

The lure of WoW is the fire up and play nonsense which fits so well into my life. I seldom get enough time to sit down and learn how to fire up the Ka-50 from a colde start, or learn about all the upgrade options for my troops in CoG:EE...so WoW tends to win the day...but I have found myself, of late, spending more time getting into my sim games.

Maybe I should just get rid of the "load and play" games so I'm not tempted.

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: String
*shrug* Well must have been you then. Never had such experiences.

Not at all, look at the Eve forums (or the Eve University ones, I think they are public).

Do a find for 'advanced station piloting', you'll find plenty of references to it. [:D]

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins

The most solo-friendly and casual play-friendly MMO I've found is City of Heroes. I rarely have time to play, but whenever I do even if it's just for 15-30 minutes, I can get something done and be entertained instead of spending the time looking for a group or traveling to a mission destination.

I've tried and enjoyed many MMOs for 1-2 weeks, but most would only work for me if I actually made them my hobby (which is never going to happen) and invested significant time. COH works even with minimal time investment, so I keep a subscription to that active and have it on my laptop for when I need to unwind a bit without much thought.

Regards,

- Erik

I agree with this pretty much.

I could play Eve with minimal time, as I enjoyed trading and contracting and stuff - you can do that by investing 20 minutes a day. But that gets dull after a while, or did for me, and anything else takes ages. Also it isn't very incremental, you need a big block of time to sit down and play.

In WoW you don't really, a single quest might take ten minutes, and you can quit right there, and there is less onus on you to make contacts.

That said I'm not all that interested in WoW either, but at least its playable. I'll never, ever get to level 80 though. It isn't even the time commitment, I just get bored of playing the class long before then. Eventually I'll run out of classes to play till boredom and that'll be WoW done for me.

[EUBanana]

ORIGINAL: EUBanana

ORIGINAL: String
*shrug* Well must have been you then. Never had such experiences.

Not at all, look at the Eve forums (or the Eve University ones, I think they are public).

Do a find for 'advanced station piloting', you'll find plenty of references to it. [:D]

Here you go, String, this is how laid back and freedom promoting Eve works with the newbie friendly Eve University.

Please read the wartime rules carefully. They are somewhere above this post. They are there for your own good.

If you do not follow them expect reprimands, losing your ship, podding or even being booted from the E-Uni (Most likely after several warnings and discussions with ILN Admiral Silentbrick. I cannot recommend following the rules in wartime enough.

Here are some recent results related to me:

My fleet found a Unista HAULING......DURING WARTIME........IN LO-SEC - Forcefully removed from ship, using missiles.

My fleet spotted a Unista in a Pod, passing through Obanen, today. After he refused convos from several senior members of the E-Uni (Since no Directors were online) and after the fleet had returned, I was in an Inty with scouts hunting for him. Sadly I did not have enough time to get him. - I am glad to say that after continuing to act unpleasantly in corp chat, he removed himself from the E-Uni.

The wartime rules are there for a reason. The Eve-Uni does not want to offer WT's free lunches.

This message is not an instruction, just a recommendation.

"Do what we say or we will shoot you ourselves". Great! No, that isn't the Elite/Freelancer tradition of space trading games.

I like wargames but if I wanted to join the army I'd do in real life.

[ilovestrategy]

I'm playing Lord of the Rings Online. I love it!

[Zakhal]

Im propably going to start playing Darkfall soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJs79Ik6eY&fmt=22 (siege)

Its lighthearted clan based pvp. No need to grind 80 levels and 100 raids to gain enough eq to fight. Eq is as easily replaceable as in original UO. Also this game has ships, ship combat, city building sieges, collision detection, fps style combat, etc. And the standard pve stuff like quests, crafting and sofort. 

There are over 200 ppl in som fights and theres no lag at all as far as Ive heard. The launch was bad and all features and finished but sofar the game looks fun and thats the most important thing.

[Scott_WAR]

I cant believe you would have a post about wargamers in MMO's,....and not even bring up World War 2 Online:Battleground Europe.
 

[Scott_WAR]

ORIGINAL: Zakhal

Im propably going to start playing Darkfall soon:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNJs79Ik6eY&fmt=22 (siege)

Its lighthearted clan based pvp. No need to grind 80 levels and 100 raids to gain enough eq to fight. Eq is as easily replaceable as in original UO. Also this game has ships, ship combat, city building sieges, collision detection, fps style combat, etc. And the standard pve stuff like quests, crafting and sofort. 

There are over 200 ppl in som fights and theres no lag at all as far as Ive heard. The launch was bad and all features and finished but sofar the game looks fun and thats the most important thing.

A guild I am in is trying a chapter in this game. So far its a disaster. First, one server in europe,....thats it. And obviously an inferior server. So far they have limited sales. Basically for a period of 2 hours each day you can buy the game. Good luck with the website getting hammered. Most time out repeatedly never getting to actually order the game. IF you are one of the lucky few to get the game, there are ques constantly, that get up to OVER 2 HOURS at primetime. The game has been getting laggier and laggier as they add more people. At this point people are saying they cant even creat a character (also you get 1 character slot,....no alts in this game) without lagging out.

[Erik Rutins]

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR
I cant believe you would have a post about wargamers in MMO's,....and not even bring up World War 2 Online:Battleground Europe.

It's been mentioned earlier in the thread, but definitely worth bringing it up again.

[Zakhal]

ORIGINAL: Scott_WAR

A guild I am in is trying a chapter in this game. So far its a disaster. First, one server in europe,....thats it. And obviously an inferior server.

They improved the server. People in boards made thank you thread even about the lessened queus and lag too. Ive seen many players claim it especially today:

Queue's been much more bearable yesterday and today. It took less than 30min when there was a queue and most of the time it was instant.

http://forums.darkfallonline.com/showth ... p?t=164950

So far they have limited sales. Basically for a period of 2 hours each day you can buy the game.

Last I check nobody was buying the game for now. Its a paid beta and there is no more room. Next week maybe.