Movie question

Jackk · Post by **Jackk** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 3:16 pm

Hi all,

I was watching the Battle of the Bulge yesterday and the final tank battle got me to wondering.
Does anyone know what kind of tanks were used for those scenes? The German tanks didn't quite look like Panthers and the US tanks dang sure weren't Shermans.

Anyway, just curious.

Thanks,

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"Smile today cuz tomorrow may really suck"

jpgr · Post by **jpgr** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 3:24 pm

Originally posted by Jackk:
Hi all,

I was watching the Battle of the Bulge yesterday and the final tank battle got me to wondering.
Does anyone know what kind of tanks were used for those scenes? The German tanks didn't quite look like Panthers and the US tanks dang sure weren't Shermans.

Anyway, just curious.

Thanks,

So thats what that was?

I watched it
for a while but it seemed a little silly.
Anyway, the German tanks may have been
Pershings and the American tanks looked link Chaffee's.

George

Fabs · Post by **Fabs** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 4:58 pm

The American tanks were definitely Chaffees. The German ones possibly Pattons. I loved this movie when I was a kid, but once I started getting seriously interested in the military history of the Second World War I could see that it was a fairly poor Hollywoodization. A great shame, really. Why can't Hollywood come up with war movies of the quality of Stalingrad? Even "Saving Private Ryan, apart from the graphic impact of the first thirty minutes, goes on to become a sentimental, historically inaccurate feuilleton.

I guess a really good war movie would not draw the crowds, while costing an absolute fortune to make. Having said this, with what can be achived with computers these days...

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Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 6:25 pm

You're right on the American tanks being
M-24's, and I think the German tanks were
M-47's. In the movie Patton, I think the Germans were using early M-48's w/o the
machine gun cupola. I forget what the Americans were using.
Semper Fi
Randy

Tankhead · Post by **Tankhead** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 6:46 pm

Hi All!

I though there was something wrong with my eyes

when I wacht The Battle Of The Bulge, and Patton. Thanks Fabs and Randy for the info.
To see real Shermans and Tigers The movie Kelly Heroes is a good one.

Tankhead

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Randy · Post by **Randy** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 11:08 pm

Hey guys, remember the old TV series "Rat
Patrol"? Just think, they were using US halftracks, and an M-7 Priest for some type of asault gun! Has any one found any other
Hollywood mistakes?? Thanks
Semper Fi
Randy

Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 12:21 am

Tons of them, Randy! Where to begin. One of the things that Tee's me off are the curved magazines on M-16 rifles in Nam movies. They did not have those larger curved clips in Nam. Picky, picky.

Most Japanese tanks are usually Stuarts with an occasional Sherman tossed in for good measure. I try to ignore it.

Even in SPR, the Tigers are made over T-34s. Look at the bogie wheels. But that is okay, they are close enough.

I did love the real T-34s in Stalingrad. They were fierce!

Wild Bill

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mogami · Post by **mogami** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 12:56 am

Hi yes that "Battle of the Bulge" movie is very funny. Filmed in Spain the battle takes place in the impassable Ardennes Desert. On a bright sunny day without a single allied plane (other then Henrys Piper) The US have brillently deployed their tanks in relief atop a ridge where the Germans fail to notice them (except Telly who more like a SPWaW player hides behind ridge) How much do gas barrels cost and do you get them as core or support units? they are like giant molotovs only their accuracy rating from 5 or 6 hexs is 99% My question is how did that panzer leader live till 1944?

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Jackk · Post by **Jackk** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 4:07 am

LOL
Thanks guys!

I look at some of these movies as just that. Movies. There to tell a story, not necessarily to be completely accurate.

I haven't seen Stalingrad. Bummer. Is it an old one? Just want an idea as to which section to look under

I'll have some of those fuel barrels too!

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"Smile today cuz tomorrow may really suck"

Toey · Post by **Toey** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 4:41 am

I saw the English version of Stalingrad about 12 months ago. I got very confused with who was who in squad. It was a tragic story. However, the ambush of the soviet armour was one of the best battle scenes I have ever seen.

Toey · Post by **Toey** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 4:43 am

Hey check out the time of my post. 8:49pm. That's not right. It moved this thread from first spot to 7th.

What's going on?

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 4:59 am

The German commander in Battle of the Bulge, (movie)was he supposed to be Jocheim Piper?
Thanks
Semper Fi
Randy

mogami · Post by **mogami** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 5:50 am

Hi he was more like Jokem Piper, maybe he was suffering from some kind of battle fatigue from too long on eastern front. Computer AI in Wild Bills Motherland campaign battle one handles armour better!!!
Did anyone else notice a complete lack of infantry on both sides? Has anyone ever seen the movie "Zero" it has to be my all time favorite funny war movie (they were serious)
my favorite line "This war kills every body"

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Wild Bill · Post by **Wild Bill** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 6:05 am

Never saw "Zero" Mogami. I'll look for it.
The movie "Stalingrad," Jackk, I think you can get it from Critic Choice video. They have always given me good service.

My copy was a gift from a gamer. I did not even know about the movie. Mine is in German with US subtitles, and very, very brutal. You see Stalingrad in all its horror on the level of a small German infantry unit.

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Matrix Games

Tankhead · Post by **Tankhead** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 6:09 am

Originally posted by Wild Bill:
Never saw "Zero" Mogami. I'll look for it.
The movie "Stalingrad," Jackk, I think you can get it from Critic Choice video. They have always given me good service.
My copy was a gift from a gamer. I did not even know about the movie. Mine is in German with US subtitles, and very, very brutal. You see Stalingrad in all its horror on the level of a small German infantry unit.

Hi Wild Bill!

I have the same copy of Stalingrad, very good movie. I also have a newer version in English, also a very good movie.

Tankhead

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Desert Fox · Post by **Desert Fox** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 6:18 am

But perhaps the most glaring discrepency in 'Battle of the Bulge' was that the Germans were attempting to capture an American fuel depot intact.
On the surface that seems perfectly fine, and you would question why I don't like that.
But then realize that German armor ran on diesel, and US armor ran on gasoline. Gasoline in a diesel engine causes some problems.
And yeah, the total lack of infantry is horrible, considering that it was foot engineers that really stopped the German advance. (Those damned engineers!)
But, at least Hollywood put in germans disguised as American MPs. That was about the only thing right in that movie.

degen · Post by **degen** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 7:06 am

There was some infantry at the beginning of the movie of Battle of the Bulge. How could you guys forget Bronson and Fonda trying to hold off the wave of German tanks? That was a classic scene of infantry routed and overrun by tanks. What was Bronson's line, "Take cover, make stand!" With only a few bazookas and green troops they did not last long.

The other good infantry vs. tank scene was the german attack on the fortifed town. The american infantry actually put a pretty good fight and bloodied the german tanks.

Randy · Post by **Randy** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 7:44 am

Its a good thing that Henry Fonda was there
to order the blowing up of the fuel depot.
He won the battle from a Piper Cub!
Semper Fi
Randy

Fredde · Post by **Fredde** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 8:41 am

Want to see realistic war movies? Have a look at the Finnish ones "Winter War" and "The unknown soldier". The latter even better than the former.

Kluckenbill · Post by **Kluckenbill** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 6:07 pm

The best (only good) part of 'Battle of the Bulge' was the rendition of the Panzerleid. Also I believe that the Tigers in 'Kelly's Heroes' were well done modifications to T34's much like in 'Saving Pvt Ryan.'
Does anyone know how the made the Marder in Pvt Ryan? I thought that was really cool.