Insurrection Not Levying

[Mardonius]

Per the rules of EiANW (and the Avalon Hill Box Game), the Austrian Insurrection Corps should levy back to full strength at the end of December. Well, they don't. At least not when Turkish forces are in Austria.

Enemy forces should not prevent the relevying of these corps. In fact, they should allow them to be placed in the next (January) reinforcement phase per the re-written Insurrection Corps rules.

I have posted this to Mantis. An immediate fix is in order.

Thank you
Mardonius.

[Jimmer]

I don't have access to the EIANW rules, but here are the old rules:

10.1.4.3 * RAISING INSURRECTION CORPS FACTORS: Insurrection corps are brought up to their full strength of 15 militia and 3 regular cavalry factors (even if off map), only during the Levy Step of the December Economic Phase, if not then besieged, so long as any one of the four border provinces is Austrian controlled and contains no unbesieged enemy corps. Unlike Turkish feudal corps, the factors in the insurrection corps are treated as normal Austrian militia and regular cavalry factors (although they may not be detached).

As you can see, they CAN be prevented from beling raised by having a corps counter in each of the four "border provinces". I wouldn't know how EIANW implements this, but your post requires one extra statement: That at least one border province was both Austria-controlled and free of enemy corps.

[Mardonius]

Thanks Jimmer for the clarification. In this case, only one area (and therefor only one province) has Ottoman corps in it.

[MarshallEllis]

We will have to look at a compromise here since the insurrection areas could be ANY Austrian area in EiANW???
Ideas?
 

[MarshallEllis]

Mardonius:
 
I took a look at this and if there is an unbesieged enemy corps in the same province as the insurrection corps then it is not raised to full strength BUT it seems to work otherwise (On and off the map).
I have updated the manual to refelct this in 1.06
 

[Mardonius]

My insurrection corps were off map (they had been destroyed about 8 or so months earlier.. not sure previous emperor and sultan) so they were not in the same areas as an unbesieged enemy corps.

We really need to fix this as it is otherwise far too easy to circumvent an otherwise powerful tool. Suggested fix: relevy both to full strenght unless 4 provinces are occupied/ceded, in which case raise one. Levy zero if 8 provinces are ceded or occupied.

[eske]

This is slightly embarasshing to admit - but I was the "temp Austrian Emperor" to get these insurrection corps killed [8|]
 
So I can tell you, they were killed in the very same area, that is now the only austrian area that contains turkish corps. I don't know if that has relevance to not levying the corps. I dont believe it should have.
 
Actually, why not implement the EIA rule. It is pretty straight forward:
Insurrection corps are levyed to full strength unless all four Austrian border provinces are out of austrian control OR has unbesieged enemy corps in them.
 
Why should the fact that insurrection corps is able to stand up outside these provinces prevent the use of this rule ?
 
... and Marshall, while you are looking at this ... can't you plz "Hand-levy" the insurrection corps in this game and return gamefiles. Or I'm afraid I might lose yet another austrian player [:(] 
(Counting the disastrous "temp" from above, we are currently on our fifth.)
 
/eske (host)

[gazfun]

This is a game four of TGHQ in our group.
Is it possible to remedy this Marshall?

I dont know the full circumsatnce here!
Eske has I believe has a better background to it

[MarshallEllis]

Remedy what? I thought we figured that it acted as it should???
 

[Mardonius]

I believe Eske was going to reach out to you and see if we could get the insurrection corps reloaded as you did fix the bug but that does not help already empty corps past the December levy phase.

[gazfun]

ORIGINAL: Marshall Ellis

Remedy what? I thought we figured that it acted as it should???

Ok then if that is the case, then this game has no issue with the insurection problem as has been stated, and it should continue as is.
Thanks Marshall

[Mardonius]

That is not the case. The bug was fixed only after the Insurrection corp troops did not levy. So we are in a January or February move with out Levied Troops. And we had a bug in Decmeber's save that prevented reloading.

The issue in the game is that I have spent 8 or more months of game time making moves planning on the levy of the insurrection corps to fend off invasion and now have no troops.

Eske was going to enquire with Marshal whether the corps could be reloaded.

[eske]

I don't get this...

This game was inflicted by a bug, that has since beem fixed (twice it seems).
It's issue 471 in Mantis: Insurrection corps does not levy in december as they should.
So the game did not act as it should.

Now we are simply asking if the insurrection corps can be restored to full status.
Its a matter of Austria being able to defend itself or not, so this bug will have a huge impact, if not corrected.

We are unfortunately unable to roll the game back to before december levy of Austria, due to an earlier bug happening while updating to 1.05.03. So we cannot take advantage of the fixing of this bug, to remedy this ourselves.
You helped us through the last one, Marshall. Thx again, but now we have an similar situation.

/eske

[MarshallEllis]

OK guys, you tell me what needs to be done and I can do it but you might want to agree on what needs to be done before I do it LOL!
 
 

[eske]

OK Marshall - now everybody has had a chance to speak.

What we want you to fix is this:

a) Levy the Austrian insurrection corps to full. (They are off the map at the moment)
b) Move Charles and his cav. corps back where they should. Last update moved them one area into where the Turkish army is. (Temesavar as I recall). They should be moved back to the rest of the Austrain army in area192.

Plz do it on attached gamefiles.

Thx a lot

/eske

[gazfun]

Hi Marshall.
Is there any chance that this can get a fix, Ive got 7 players waiting patiently. [:)]

[MarshallEllis]

What game version are you guys using?
BTW: I'm showing Charles and his cav in Pest with the other Au corps???

[gazfun]

we are using game with patch1.05.05 ATM

[MarshallEllis]

Perfect!
Now tell me about Charles since I am showing them already with the AU forces in Pest?
 

[Mardonius]

Pest is where Charles should be, if I remember correctly. Been a few months.

On my saves (version 1.05.5) during the Jan Naval and Diplomacy phases I am showing Charles with a couple of corps in Temesevar... where the Turkish Army is as well. Be nice to fight the Turk but not at those odds and in the wrong phases...

Thanks
Mardonius