I know it's a Beta, but...

Mark McIntosh · Post by **Mark McIntosh** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 8:10 pm

The game locks up when selecting, and then deleting, support troops in the force selection menu. I'm using the WWII Campaign option. Very frustrating to get to the point of finishing up the selection process and then to have things lockup. Since the scenarios are dynamic, it is near impossible to NOT change your mind when selecting units to fit the available purchase points. I'm uninstalling it today. Most changes seem to apply to e-mail games anyway.

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 8:33 pm

Which countries are you using, I just tried this and it works fine...no crash

More details,please?

Ismael · Post by **Ismael** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 9:06 pm

i also see this bug in my dell laptop 500 w/ 256 win 98 spwaw4.3: the game hangs up and needs ctl-alt-del to free the computer when PLACING THE CURSOR over the unit list after selecting support troops in the ww2 campaign.

Ismael · Post by **Ismael** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 9:07 pm

when playing german

panda124c · Post by **panda124c** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 9:45 pm

I guess this is as good a place as any to post this problem. Ver 4.2 and 4.3b both show this problem. 1941-42 Campain as the Germans 4.3b fixed the missing tanks nicely, however there is another problem I came across, when purhasing support units you can not purchase any JPz units (sec, plt, co)the window does not open to show units. Also the SP-Guns are the same as the STuG units, no SIG 33 or other versions of this SP gun. Great job keep up the good work.

Is there a particular place that bugs should be reported to??

Mark McIntosh · Post by **Mark McIntosh** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 10:09 pm

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Which countries are you using, I just tried this and it works fine...no crash

More details,please?

German unit purchase screen. The German purchase unit screen (OOB selection) hasn't really been right since I noticed the missing Jagdpanzers (40-43) with v4.2.

Fuerte · Post by **Fuerte** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 10:11 pm

From download page:

"Your first stop for support should be our forums. Our staff and your fellow gamers are ready and willing to help. Our forums have both Tech support and Game support conferences. This is also the fastest way to get support. Oh... and if all else fails don't forget to try the manual.

If you have any problems downloading or installing e-mail spwawsupport@matrixgames.com

If you should fine any bugs please report them to spwawbugs@matrixgames.com

Have a feature or enhancement please report them to spwawfeature@matrixgames.com"

[This message has been edited by Fuerte (edited October 08, 2000).]

Paul Vebber · Post by **Paul Vebber** » Sun Oct 08, 2000 10:47 pm

Thats a known peroblem and simple to fix - but I just haven't had a chance yet. IT should not casue crashes. I have not been able to get a crash - what specific units are you buying.

I have started a WW2 Campaing, started as a variety of countries including Germans at various times, bouoght a core and bought support, and delted and rebaought them and it seems to work.

I may not have chosen the unit that casues it teh problem. DOes it always crash regardless of what you pick and what country/year you are?

have you deleted teh steel.prf file? Have uo tried reinstalling the patch?

Mark McIntosh · Post by **Mark McIntosh** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 12:58 am

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
Thats a known peroblem and simple to fix - but I just haven't had a chance yet. IT should not casue crashes. I have not been able to get a crash - what specific units are you buying.

Okay, here are the steps:

Select WW-II Campaign; select Germany; set start time May 1942.
Select North African Theater.

Core unit selection:

Select Md.Pz. Co. of Pz-IVf2’s
Deleted all but HQ Sec.
Added 2 Md.Pz. Platoons =Pz-IIIj
Added 1 Md.Pz. Platoon =Pz-IIIj(s)
Added 1 Supt.Pz Platoon =Pz-Ive

Select PzG Mech Co.
MG opt.=MG.42; SP-Flak opt.=SdKfz 6/2; SP-Mortar opt.=251/2
Deleted last PzG Mech Platoon
Added Pioneer Platoon w/MG opt.=MG.42

Select Recon Co.
AC opt.=PSW-231; MG opt.=MG.42; Scouts =Recon Team; Recon H/T=250/1.
Delected 2nd PSW-231 Platoon and Motorcycle Platoon
Added SP-FLAK Sec.=251/17 and StuG Sec.=StuG-IIIe.

Selected Md.Pz. Sec.=Pz.IVf2
Selected H/T Sec.=251/1

At Support Unit Screen

Select 2 x (off-board) Arty Bty=105mm
Select 1 x (off-board) Arty Bty=150mm

Delete last Arty unit and game locked-up.

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
I have started a WW2 Campaing, started as a variety of countries including Germans at various times, bouoght a core and bought support, and delted and rebaought them and it seems to work.

I may not have chosen the unit that casues it teh problem. DOes it always crash regardless of what you pick and what country/year you are?

I have not tried any other variation.

Originally posted by Paul Vebber:
have you deleted teh steel.prf file? Have uo tried reinstalling the patch?

Nope. Haven't deleted the steel.prf file. I am about to remove the game and reinstall w/o v4.3 beta.

crazyivan · Post by **crazyivan** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 7:55 am

the game locking up seams to be a mouse problem or a game bug i have tried several times at first buying units mostly german but russian as well,highlited last unit nothing then bought core support units and no matter what the unit is infantry afv or arty if you let your mouse pionter stay over the very last unit on the bottom line it will lock up the game and you have to alt out etc.

it is possible if you are fast enough to delete the last unit but within a secound or so lock up will accure this has happened every time i have tried.campiagns only so far.

Tankhead · Post by **Tankhead** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 3:53 pm

Originally posted by crazyivan:
the game locking up seams to be a mouse problem or a game bug i have tried several times at first buying units mostly german but russian as well,highlited last unit nothing then bought core support units and no matter what the unit is infantry afv or arty if you let your mouse pionter stay over the very last unit on the bottom line it will lock up the game and you have to alt out etc.
it is possible if you are fast enough to delete the last unit but within a secound or so lock up will accure this has happened every time i have tried.campiagns only so far.

Hello Crazyivan!

What kind of puter do you have.
I had no lock in the game. I tried to reproduce your lock up and the other problems posted on the forum about puter locking up with no luck. The game run without a flaw for me with v4.3b.

Tankhead

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Rick Cloutier rcclout@telusplanet.net
Coordinator: Tankhead's SPWAW Resources
http://tankhead.home.icq.com

Steel Thunder · Post by **Steel Thunder** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 3:59 pm

Paul:

My tests results:

Game locks up when you move your mouse pointer over last support unit AND keep it here couple of seconds. Thats when 'delete unit' -pop up window have to appear. It doesn't and game locks up.

It doesn't matter what country you have, what units you bought or what year it is and is it ww2 campign or generated campaign.

crazyivan mentioned that it may be a mouse problem. Well, I tried MS Intellimouse(USB), MS SerialMouse(serial) and Logitech mouse(ps2). Bug appears regardless what mouse I use.

I had installed full 4.1 and patches 4.2 and 4.3b.

I delete steel.prf.

My computer is:

MSI K7T pro
Amd Duron 700
256mb
Creative Geforce 2
Sb Live value
MS Intellimouse with intellieye(usb)
Windows 98 SE

I hope my tests help you solve the problem.

Steel Thunder

Tom_Davie · Post by **Tom_Davie** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 6:04 pm

Steel Thunder; just a quick question. What value do you have your live delay set to?

I've tried setting mine to different values to see if I can pin anything down, but so far nothing consistent.

Tom

Tom Proudfoot · Post by **Tom Proudfoot** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 10:16 pm

Ok... found this bug and fixed it. It is indeed the pop-up that is causing the crash, so a workaround until a new version comes out is to disable the pop-ups when buying units... setting the delay really high ought to work.

Thanks,
Tom

Tankhead · Post by **Tankhead** » Mon Oct 09, 2000 10:43 pm

Originally posted by Tom Proudfoot:
Ok... found this bug and fixed it. It is indeed the pop-up that is causing the crash, so a workaround until a new version comes out is to disable the pop-ups when buying units... setting the delay really high ought to work.
Thanks,
Tom

Thanks Tom!

As always you come true for us.

Tankhead

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Rick Cloutier rcclout@telusplanet.net
Coordinator: Tankhead's SPWAW Resources
http://tankhead.home.icq.com

Steel Thunder · Post by **Steel Thunder** » Tue Oct 10, 2000 10:08 am

Tom Davie:

My value in live delay is 30.

Tom Proudfoot:

Thank you, good work!

Steel Thunder

crazyivan · Post by **crazyivan** » Tue Oct 10, 2000 11:14 am

Originally posted by Tankhead:
Hello Crazyivan!

What kind of puter do you have.
I had no lock in the game. I tried to reproduce your lock up and the other problems posted on the forum about puter locking up with no luck. The game run without a flaw for me with v4.3b.

Tankhead

hi tank i have a p3 500,voodo3-3000,mx400,inteli mouse (no balls)

256mg 100mhz ram it seams to lock up only when leaving the mouse on the very last unit at the bottom of the list in the core support selection in campiagn generated.i run v 4.3b and have win98 dx7a.

crazyivan · Post by **crazyivan** » Tue Oct 10, 2000 11:18 am

just read the post you guys are great i will try setting the delay to 40 + i had it on 10 thanks a mill for your efforts

Arralen · Post by **Arralen** » Tue Oct 10, 2000 4:25 pm

test machine:
HP Vectra VLi8
(P500, 128MB, G200, ??onboardssound)
WinNT4.0 SP6a

installed:

v4.0
patch 4.1
patch 4.2
patch 4.3b

observation
generated campiagn, german, buying support; when pointing the mouse to the last unit ...

"delete unit xx" shows up, but NO CRASH ?!?!

Besides - sounds are disabled, as there are neither speakers not earphones possible here at work

Live delay 50, message delay 170.

Arralen

[This message has been edited by Arralen (edited October 10, 2000).]

Tom_Davie · Post by **Tom_Davie** » Tue Oct 10, 2000 5:11 pm

For what its worth, I've tried playing around with the live delay a fair bit, and the general rule of thumb is this;

-the greater the live delay setting, the less chance of a crash.
-the smaller the live delay setting, the greater the chance of a crash.

I try to have the live delay set to 200 when I'm not actually in the battle screen; otherwise it gets set to 0.

Tom