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RE: it goes on...

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Hi folks, back from my 3 day Britain trip, ready to do some turns...

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/24/43

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TF 89 encounters mine field at Derby (24,85)

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo, Mine hits 1, on fire

we´ve spotted at least half a dozen small TFs at Derby so we sent in a CL and some destroyers. And for what reason ever, in this campaign my ships 90% of the time hit mines as soon as they enter an enemy hex with mines... never seen that ridicoulos high hit rate. Mk16, the DD has a 30% chance to make it...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Derby at 24,85

Japanese Ships
CL Natori
DD Ariake
DD Akatsuki
DD Fubuki
DD Usugumo, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SC SC-519, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC SC-637, Shell hits 5, and is sunk
SC SC-640, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC SC-641
SC SC-648, Shell hits 1, and is sunk
SC SC-742, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

sub chasers are even more vunlerable than PTs when it comes down to absorbing gunfire... but god damn, we didn´t attack another TF in the hex... we spotted DDs, MLs... [:@][:@][:@]

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Sub attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
PC Sonan Maru #5
PC Shonon Maru #11
PC Shonon Maru #10
PC Shonon Maru #3
PC Sonan Maru #6
PC Nichi Maru #1

Allied Ships
SS Plunger

Plunger´s torps failed to detonate... old story, sub in port... why not hitting one of my 10.000 mines at Kwajalein?

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Day Air attack on Bulla , at 40,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 115

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 damaged


Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 101

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 127
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 39
Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 138
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 147

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 95

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 9
SBD Dauntless x 8
TBF Avenger x 6
Hurricane IIb x 14
P-36A Mohawk x 70


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 1 damaged
Hurricane IIb: 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 3
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 43

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-36A Mohawk bombing at 2000 feet

not one crashed...

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Day Air attack on TF at 26,82 [:(]


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 8
Spitfire Vb x 10
B-17E Fortress x 13


Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Usugumo, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet

4Es on nav attack out of Derby... probably set to only 6 or 7 hexes range as they never attack my shipping at Koepang (8 hexes away)... one 500lb bomb hit and the destroyer would be lost...

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Day Air attack on TF at 27,79 [:(]

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 11

Allied aircraft
B-17E Fortress x 19
B-24D Liberator x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIb Tojo: 9 damaged

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 5 damaged
B-24D Liberator: 13 damaged

Japanese Ships
CL Natori, Bomb hits 2, on fire
DD Akatsuki
DD Fubuki

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-17E Fortress bombing at 10000 feet
3 x B-24D Liberator bombing at 10000 feet

6 hexes from Derby, afternoon strike. The CL take two penetrating 500lb bomb hits, showing me that it´s not that a good idea to use a light cruiser in this area. Amazingly, the CL will live on with only something like 35 sys damage... The 11 Tojos were pretty useless, the number of B-17 lost to ops was totally surprisng today though: 5 of the bombers crashed - reason unknown... when we damage 70+, usually only 1 is lost to ops...

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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 265506 troops, 3111 guns, 75 vehicles, Assault Value = 6389

Defending force 167352 troops, 1349 guns, 459 vehicles, Assault Value = 2939



Allied ground losses:
196 casualties reported

we now have our first tank units on the railline West of Wyndham... [&o] and tomorrow two heavy cruiser TFs will go in to do a bombardment (meeting PTs prior to it...)

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15494 troops, 174 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1526

Defending force 275478 troops, 1494 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6508



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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22600 troops, 267 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3154

Defending force 187105 troops, 71 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5273



Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

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RE: it goes on...

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ORIGINAL: Ambassador

Wow, that's a lot of people up there.  Six divs at Wyndham, six more at Lautern.  How many at Alice Springs, Derby, Broome ?  How many are kept at Perth, at Brisbane, at Sydney ?  What do you think he would do if you sent your tanks down the road towards Southern Australia, would it not panick him ?[;)][:D]


No idea how many are at Alice Springs, at Derby and Broome I´m sure there are none. If I could take Wyndham, Broome and Derby wouldn´t be a problem at all. 10-12 units there but surely just baseforces or small inf units...

Won´t send my tanks South, as soon as you get 12 hexes away from your supply bases it will get difficult to supply your units...
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RE: it goes on...

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ORIGINAL: Q-Ball

I've been reading this without comment, but good AAR. I like the late move to Australia, pretty ballsy.

I can't recall, did you get Auto Victory in this one? If so, obviously you are playing through that.


hi! thanks for reading

I did get the autovictory, but we weren´t that much interested in it. IIRC the victory ratio was something like 4.3:1 as Miller reclaimed New Caledonia just before entering 43. I didn´t take Manila though (worth as much as Noumea), so if I had, we would have achieved a ratio of something like 6:1! [:D]

We´re now at 4.4:1.
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RE: it goes on...

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ORIGINAL: castor troy
No idea how many are at Alice Springs, at Derby and Broome I´m sure there are none. If I could take Wyndham, Broome and Derby wouldn´t be a problem at all. 10-12 units there but surely just baseforces or small inf units...

Won´t send my tanks South, as soon as you get 12 hexes away from your supply bases it will get difficult to supply your units...
Hey, I don't suggest to fight or actually invade, just drive down as far as you're confident, send a healthy dose of fear in the hearts of the Australians. If you seem ready to strike southern Australia through the desert, he should (hopefully) postpose any invasion he might be planning in the Pacific to hastily send reinforcements there (and divert any troops he might send further north from Perth). Aka the great fear Rommel instilled in his first drive towards the Nile, when his actual assets were ... skeletal at best.

Or it could not work at all, and just be a waste of time for your armored fist.[8|]
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RE: it goes on...

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ORIGINAL: castor troy
No idea how many are at Alice Springs, at Derby and Broome I´m sure there are none. If I could take Wyndham, Broome and Derby wouldn´t be a problem at all. 10-12 units there but surely just baseforces or small inf units...

Won´t send my tanks South, as soon as you get 12 hexes away from your supply bases it will get difficult to supply your units...
Hey, I don't suggest to fight or actually invade, just drive down as far as you're confident, send a healthy dose of fear in the hearts of the Australians. If you seem ready to strike southern Australia through the desert, he should (hopefully) postpose any invasion he might be planning in the Pacific to hastily send reinforcements there (and divert any troops he might send further north from Perth). Aka the great fear Rommel instilled in his first drive towards the Nile, when his actual assets were ... skeletal at best.

Or it could not work at all, and just be a waste of time for your armored fist.[8|]

At the moment I can´t afford to send a single unit anywhere else than into the fights for Northern Australia. With the enemy having nearly 3000 av at Wyndham there is just no way to do anything else than to fight in the North.
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basically you are now trying to starve 2 bases fully loaded with 5-6 divs + lots of extras between Lautern and Wyndham ?

What is your situation in China ? do you have extra PPs you could spare to buy out further troops ? Have you weakened India as much as possible ? I mean India is nice but if you can win in Northern Aus, it is worth losing India a year early because India is of no use if the allies are already creeping inside the SRA...

How do you fancy your chances ?
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ORIGINAL: veji1

basically you are now trying to starve 2 bases fully loaded with 5-6 divs + lots of extras between Lautern and Wyndham ?

What is your situation in China ? do you have extra PPs you could spare to buy out further troops ? Have you weakened India as much as possible ? I mean India is nice but if you can win in Northern Aus, it is worth losing India a year early because India is of no use if the allies are already creeping inside the SRA...

How do you fancy your chances ?

yup, that´s basically what I´m doing at the moment... [:D] the ones at Lautern will be starved but the 170.000 troops at Wyndham will be assaulted. But I´m pretty sure I will only be able to take Wyndham if they run out of supply after the first two or three attacks. Otherwise my troops would be totally shredded, no chance to take the base against 3.000 av, level 9 forts (and the firepower of Western Allied divs) and lots of supply. But as Miller was so kind to tell me (before my invasion [;)]) that he doesn´t get any or only very few supplies to Northern Australia and that he´s running low on supplies I´m confident that Wyndhamn has only something around or below 20.000. When I think about the fact that the invasion so far cost me over 50.000 supplies (Darwin is now at 123.000 supplies) then I guess the supply for the 170.000 cut off troops at Wyndham won´t last long, especially not when we do heavy fighting. But the first attacks will surely wreck my troops.

The situation in China is simple: I won the war there. [8D] The front is at Kweiyang and Chungking with my troops holding position there and the Chinese can´t do anything, in fact they are losing their troops to starvation. I also took Chengtu in the North, so the Chinese get perhaps 1000 supplies max per day, which is of course far too few for 700.000 troops.

Due to the fact that Miller earlier moved a dozen Chinese corps into Burma I countered that with China command divisions in Burma also. After the surrender of Myitkina, those China command divs then marched towards India and are now holding position there. As you can see in previous screenshots, I have now 15.000 av in Manchuria, a good number of China command divs moved there and is preparing for the assault (not sure yet) on Russia. I get a couple of divs as reinforcements in China the next months, they will then take position at Chungking and Kweiyang and high experienced divs from there will move to India.

If (big if) I will be able to knock out the Russian also, then the continent will be save as I could then move more than a dozen additional divs to India. Burma and Malaya will be of course be save also but I doubt I have to heavily garisson those places anyway.

At the moment I have nearly all my major combat units under Southern area and Burma command fighting in Northern Australia, another fresh div (100/100) and two more understrenght (90/90 and 80/80) divs that came as reinforcements are on the way to Australia also. Our assault value there will then peak at something like 8.000 av! [X(]

If Northern Australia will fall then Lautern has no chance to hold and we will have destroyed over 300.000 Allied first line troops. This would hurt. To hold Northern Australia I guess we will need over 3000 av, dispersed between the four bases behind level 9 forts. If the Allied drive North again then I could move the divs between the bases by ship in no time and then the base that will be attacked will have 2000 av behind level 9 forts and ample supplies. This should make it hard for the Allied. But that is all a big if and we´re far from there. At the moment I would guess my chances are still below 50% to conquer Northern Australia.
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/25/43

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TF 101 encounters mine field at Wyndham (30,86)

Japanese Ships
DD Oyashio, Mine hits 1, on fire

of course this has to happen... [8|]

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wyndham at 30,86

Japanese Ships
DD Harusame, Shell hits 2
DD Samidare
DD Yamakaze
DD Yugiri
DD Kisaragi
DD Yuzuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-188
PT PT-190, Shell hits 90, and is sunk
PT PT-191, Shell hits 3, and is sunk

amazingly enough, today the surface combat TF engaged the PTs and not my bombardment TFs... the PTs were surprised and two were sunk... PT-190 was hit by 20 4,7 inch shells...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wyndham at 30,86

Japanese Ships
DD Harusame
DD Samidare
DD Yamakaze
DD Yugiri
DD Kisaragi
DD Yuzuki

Allied Ships
PT PT-127
PT PT-219, Shell hits 11, and is sunk
PT PT-221, Shell hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

we encounter also the second PT squadron and they are also surprised...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wyndham at 30,86

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CA Suzuya
CA Aoba
CA Furutaka
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Shirakumo
DD Isonami
DD Uranami

Allied Ships
PT PT-188, Shell hits 9, and is sunk

then the bombardment TF finishes off the rest of the first PT squadron...


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wyndham at 30,86

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CA Suzuya
CA Aoba
CA Furutaka
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Shirakumo
DD Isonami
DD Uranami

Allied Ships
PT PT-127
PT PT-221, Shell hits 14, and is sunk

and attackes the remnants of the second squadron. We were lucky here, both PTs launched torps at DDs but missed...

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Wyndham at 30,86

Japanese Ships
CA Haguro
CA Suzuya
CA Aoba
CA Furutaka
DD Arashi
DD Tanikaze
DD Kawakaze
DD Shirakumo
DD Isonami
DD Uranami

Allied Ships
PT PT-127, Shell hits 10, and is sunk

all PTs are sunk now... now torp hits on my DDs today, 6 PTs sunk... but it isn´t over yet...

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Naval bombardment of Wyndham, at 30,86


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire Vb: 1 destroyed
Beaufort I: 1 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 1 destroyed
PB2Y Coronado: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
CA Maya
CA Atago
CA Chikuma

Allied Ships
SS Shad, hits 2, on fire, heavy damage


Allied ground losses:
2009 casualties reported
Guns lost 37
Vehicles lost 14

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 6
Port hits 1
Port fuel hits 1
Port supply hits 2

why on earth can´t I get a lot of hits on the airbase anymore... [8|] out of a dozen tries I perhaps get one real damaged airfield... recon flights to this base daily... but SS Shad was sunk in port (reason 250kg AP bomb hit earlier)...

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Naval bombardment of Wyndham, at 30,86

Japanese Ships
CA Furutaka
CA Aoba
CA Suzuya
CA Haguro


Allied ground losses:
118 casualties reported
Vehicles lost 1

and the joke of the day... I just don´t get it... 400 aircraft at Wyndham... Miller just is the luckier guy of the both of us...

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Sub attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
PC Shonon Maru #11
PC Shonon Maru #10
PC Shonon Maru #3
PC Sonan Maru #6
PC Sonan Maru #5
PC Nichi Maru #1

Allied Ships
SS Plunger

torps miss... the usual sub attack in base hex...

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TF 19 troops unloading over beach at Woodlark Island, 59,94


Japanese ground losses:
195 casualties reported

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TF 19 troops unloading over beach at Woodlark Island, 59,94


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ASW attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
DD Harukaze
DD Ushio
DD Sazanami
DD Akebono
DD Murakumo

Allied Ships
SS Plunger

amazing how vulnerable subs are in base hexes... nice myths...

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Day Air attack on Pamakasan , at 24,66

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 57
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Bulla , at 40,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 114

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 4
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 55

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 125
Ki-46-II Dinah x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 2 damaged


Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported

Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 53
Port supply hits 3

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 138
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 149

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 165

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 12
SBD Dauntless x 7
TBF Avenger x 7
Hurricane IIb x 15
P-36A Mohawk x 67


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBF Avenger: 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
7 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 34

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x P-36A Mohawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wallis Island , at 93,107

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 27
B-25C Mitchell x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
PV-1 Ventura: 8 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
66 casualties reported
Guns lost 1

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 7

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PV-1 Ventura bombing at 8000 feet

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 14
TBF Avenger x 53


Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 1 damaged
TBF Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
22 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
48 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 21


Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 7 damaged

Port fuel hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet

we spotted a lot of TFs moving into the area around Pago Pago, I guess we will see an invasion of Wallis Island or Pago Pago... would also explain the build up of Tongatapu Island and the air attacks of the last weeks...

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Day Air attack on TF at 32,85 [8|]


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 9
F4F-4 Wildcat x 30
Spitfire Vb x 17
Beaufort I x 18
F4U-1 Corsair x 20


Allied aircraft losses
Beaufort I: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Oyashio, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Beaufort I launching torpedoes at 200 feet

the DD that had to of course hit a mine was finished by Beauforts. Miller finally realized that he has to use torp bombers it seems. And being afraid of this threat all the time already, I never used a bombardment TF that can´t move at least 5 hexes and therefore staying out of torp range. But this only works if the ships stay undamaged and a torp or mine hit could ruin my day, resulting in a BB or CA sunk... we just have to do more bombardments and knock out the airfield but as it stands now, Miller is just too lucky...

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ASW attack near Kwajalein at 79,79

Japanese Ships
DD Matsukaze
DD Harukaze
DD Ushio
DD Sazanami
DD Akebono
DD Murakumo

Allied Ships
SS Plunger, hits 1

and a near miss...

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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 265906 troops, 3127 guns, 75 vehicles, Assault Value = 6403

Defending force 164646 troops, 1308 guns, 443 vehicles, Assault Value = 2926



Allied ground losses:
399 casualties reported

the dozen art units I brought in are now ordered to move from Darwin to Wyndham...

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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15505 troops, 173 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1860

Defending force 274759 troops, 1486 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6495


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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22649 troops, 268 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3151

Defending force 187034 troops, 68 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5281



Just look at my op losses, they happen from flying Cap and transfers... it´s insane and total BS IMO...


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Another DD lost.[:(]  Aren't you starting to be running low on escorts ?  I don't remember any big unit lost previously, but many destroyers have been sunk it seems.
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ALERT! ALERT! ALERT! This is no drill!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/26/43

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ASW attack at 103,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-8, hits 4

Allied Ships
DD Gansevoort
DD Frazier
DD Waller
DD Philip
DD Jenkins
DD Conway
DD Aulick

invasion approaching Pago Pago! The DDs achieve a hit and 3 near misses, the sub retires with nearly 50 flt damage. Trying to make Makin, but I guess the chances to survive aren´t that bad...

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Naval bombardment of Wyndham, at 30,86

Japanese Ships
BB Kongo
BB Haruna


Allied ground losses:
71 casualties reported
Guns lost 2
Vehicles lost 1

[:@][:@][:@]

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Naval bombardment of Wyndham, at 30,86

Japanese Ships
BB Kirishima
BB Hiei


Allied ground losses:
64 casualties reported
Guns lost 4

[:@][:@][:@]

all I can say is that this is damned stupid...

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ASW attack at 102,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-10

Allied Ships
AK Empire Ridley
AK Empire Success
AK Honomu
MSW Cochin
MSW Bobolink
MSW Robin
MSW Swallow
MSW Starling
MSW Skylark
MSW Requisite
MSW Pursuit
AGP Mobjack
DD Vampire
DD Voyager
CL Concord
CVE Chenango
CVE Sangamon


what the heck is Miller doing??? He includes escort carriers in his invasion TF??? We haven´t spotted the Allied fleet carriers and I have no idea how many fighters are covering this invasion but I´m not willing to really commit my airforce at the moment...

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ASW attack at 101,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-29

Allied Ships
DD Edwards
DD Gillespie

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Sub attack at 101,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-29

Allied Ships
AK Empire Cormorant, Torpedo hits 3, on fire, heavy damage
AK James B. McPherson
MSW Cochin
MSW Bobolink
MSW Robin
MSW Swallow
MSW Starling
MSW Skylark
MSW Requisite
MSW Pursuit
AGP Mobjack
DD Vampire
DD Voyager
CL Marblehead
CL Detroit
CL Richmond


Allied ground losses:
84 casualties reported

we sink a troop loaden big AK in the TF with the escort carriers. Now wouldn´t it have been great if three torps would have hit a CVE? [;)]

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Day Air attack on Pamakasan , at 24,66

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 54
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35

No Japanese losses

Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Bulla , at 40,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 137

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 112

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 126
Ki-46-II Dinah x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 9 damaged


Allied ground losses:
69 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 76

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet
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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 113
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 151

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 11
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 181

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 17
SBD Dauntless x 7
TBF Avenger x 7
Hurricane IIb x 15
P-36A Mohawk x 64


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 1 damaged
TBF Avenger: 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged

Airbase hits 1
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 49

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x P-36A Mohawk bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Wallis Island , at 93,107


Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 46


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 6 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 21

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

damn it! Now that I´m doing the AAR update I realize that the spotted TF South of Wallis island is a carrier TF! [X(] While giving the orders I thought this would be a bombardment TF and so I moved in bombers set to attack tomorrow. Damn, please let me be lucky and make my bombers stay home... [:(]

Miller of course also used a dozen Kingfishers again to do his "float plane nuclear bombardment trick"... [8|] I don´t like that, nevertheless as he´s doing it all the time, I also have ordered my float planes near Wyndham to do the same. If he thinks he wants to do that, I will do it also...


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Day Air attack on Wallis Island , at 93,107


Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 40
B-25C Mitchell x 4


Allied aircraft losses
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
58 casualties reported

Airbase hits 7
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 16

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PV-1 Ventura bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 3
TBF Avenger x 36
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 5


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 2 destroyed, 7 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 5 damaged

Port hits 2
Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet

same here, Kingfishers on recon flights...

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 75


Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed, 10 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
30 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 18

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet

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Sub attack at 101,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-29, hits 1

Allied Ships
AK Birminghan City, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
AK Crux
SC SC-751
SC SC-750
SC SC-645
SC SC-643
SC SC-634
SC SC-632
SC SC-631

probably one of the supply carrying AKs...

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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 266300 troops, 3135 guns, 76 vehicles, Assault Value = 6413

Defending force 164932 troops, 1319 guns, 445 vehicles, Assault Value = 2927



Allied ground losses:
235 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15564 troops, 174 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1862

Defending force 273989 troops, 1483 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6477



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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22652 troops, 268 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3150

Defending force 186704 troops, 63 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5273



Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Woodlark Island

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 270 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Japanese max assault: 8 - adjusted assault: 4

Allied max defense: 0 - adjusted defense: 1

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 0)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Woodlark Island base !!!


See below the situation around Pago Pago. We spotted half a dozen TFs but it doesn´t look like a mega invasion as the TFs look rather small. I already regret having flown my bombers to Wallis Island they will probably all die tomorrow. Watching the replay isn´t enough, in such important turns you should also look at the combat report afterwards again to make sure you don´t do something stupid like that.

Pago Pago has 380 av at the moment, level 9 forts and 15.000 supplies. I expect to see bombardments on Wallis island and Pago Pago and more airattacks. There are two IJN base forces with CD guns at Pago Pago but none of the dedicated CD gun units or big base forces as I don´t consider Pago Pago as important enough. To describe the situation at the moment, all I can say is that Miller is exactly doing what I´m dreaming about. He´s attacking one of the areas I care the least! [:D][:D]

I guess the carrier raid a couple of months ago out of this area made him think that he has to take Pago Pago back and that´s fine with me. As soon as he isn´t attacking into the Marshalls or Solomons, there´s nothing to fear about.


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Another DD lost.[:(]  Aren't you starting to be running low on escorts ?  I don't remember any big unit lost previously, but many destroyers have been sunk it seems.


to be honest, I was thinking about the same thing last turn and I have to admit that I´m bitching around too much when it comes down to DDs S U N K it seems. I have a hell a lot of them being hit and heavily damaged but I also always try to save as many ships as possible, sending them to the nearest port, send an AR there and most times a nav HQ also. Seems like the chances I give my DDs to survive are most times too low as we´re fighting not far away from ports where we can disband them two or three turns later.

And the result of that made me more than amazed last turn when I checked my DD losses last turn. We lost 9 DDs so far! ONLY 9! The majority of them to PT boat torps though. I guess with the reinforcements I received during the 15 months of war I now have more DDs than at the beginning.

There are around a dozen DDs damaged sitting somewhere in Japan (or are on their way to Japan) though. And the only reason for this are either mines or PTs...
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Only 9 ?  This is really fine and affordable.  Off course, with the dozen DDs undergoing repairs, that's 21 DDs unavailable, but this leaves plenty of other ships.  I really thought the situation was most dire...
 
Could you put a recap of the lost ships & boats from both sides, including the merchies, auxiliaries and subs (at least the number in each category), in a future update ?  Many thanks if you could do this.[&o]
 
 
Re: Pago Pago, I suppose you plan to evac cadres out of there, to rebuild the units ?  Do you have enough production of armament & vehicle points ?  In my tests of the Japanese side, I never manage to get enough of both to simply fill out starting & arriving LCUs, let alone rebuilding whole units after an evacuation...[8|]
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Only 9 ?  This is really fine and affordable.  Off course, with the dozen DDs undergoing repairs, that's 21 DDs unavailable, but this leaves plenty of other ships.  I really thought the situation was most dire...

Could you put a recap of the lost ships & boats from both sides, including the merchies, auxiliaries and subs (at least the number in each category), in a future update ?  Many thanks if you could do this.[&o]


Re: Pago Pago, I suppose you plan to evac cadres out of there, to rebuild the units ?  Do you have enough production of armament & vehicle points ?  In my tests of the Japanese side, I never manage to get enough of both to simply fill out starting & arriving LCUs, let alone rebuilding whole units after an evacuation...[8|]



unfortunetly I don´t use tracker or one of the other utilities so it´s already quite hard to do an exact list of ships sunk as we´ve been in the hundreds for quite some time already, counting them by hand will be quite time consuming.

I will evac cadres from Pago, as I´ve done from all the other bases I´ve lost so far. The only problem with this is that due to bad data base programming, at least 20% of the units turn into ghosts and can never be rebuilt. Another 15% or so just vanish so in fact even though I´m usually able to evac cadres of all units (and not just one or two support squads), not all can be rebuild due to programme errors.

Armament and eng points are no problem, have plenty of them in the pools. Arm is somewhere above 125.000 IIRC and vehicles well above 25.000. Means I´ve got more than I will need for reinforcments and rebuilds. Pools are growing daily.
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9 DDs? 9?! [X(]

I had the feeling it was .. like ... 4 or 5 times that. Now that's a quality rant! [:D]

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR 02/27/43

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Naval bombardment of Wyndham, at 30,86 [:D]


Allied aircraft
no flights


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 destroyed
P-38G Lightning: 2 destroyed
F4U-1 Corsair: 10 destroyed
Spitfire Vb: 2 destroyed
PB2Y Coronado: 1 destroyed
F4F-4 Wildcat: 4 destroyed
TBF Avenger: 1 destroyed
Beaufort I: 1 destroyed
Swordfish: 2 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi
BB Nagato


Allied ground losses:
13796 casualties reported [X(][X(][X(]
Guns lost 196
Vehicles lost 48

Airbase hits 16
Airbase supply hits 1 [:(]
Runway hits 49

now I would consider this being a nuke. Well, using the float plane trick obviously helps, even though we didn´t completely knock out the airfield... only one supply hit doesn´t make me cheer either... but I shouldn´t complain when getting such an excellent result...[;)]


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Naval bombardment of Wallis Island, at 93,107

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 4 destroyed
B5N Kate: 4 destroyed
G4M1 Betty: 7 destroyed
G3M Nell: 5 destroyed
H8K Emily: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB West Virginia
BB Colorado
BB Maryland

Japanese ground losses:
1000 casualties reported
Guns lost 18

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 59

[8|] as you can see, the Allied float plane trick works 100% also. While I refused to do it in the past (except one time), Miller keeps using his float planes en masse for recon before going in with his bombardment TFs and it seems to be working 90% of the time...

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Naval bombardment of Wallis Island, at 93,107

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
H8K Emily: 2 destroyed
B5N Kate: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
BB Nevada
BB Oklahoma
BB Arizona
BB California

Japanese ground losses:
1331 casualties reported
Guns lost 11

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 5
Runway hits 90 [8|]
Port supply hits 1

well, there was nothing left that could fly and the airfield and airbase are 100% damaged now... thanks to the Kingfishers...

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ASW attack at 99,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-3, hits 7

Allied Ships
DD Gansevoort
DD Frazier
DD Waller
DD Philip
DD Jenkins

sub is in danger of sinking after one hit and 6 near misses... Miller mentioned how bad his ASW TFs have been performing but IMO they are as deadly as Allied TFs always have been...

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Sub attack at 27,54

Japanese Ships
AK Momoha Maru, Torpedo hits 2, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Wahoo

South East of Singapore, the resource loaden big AK is sunk...

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Sub attack near Pago Pago at 98,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, hits 5, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
CLAA Ceres, Torpedo hits 1, on fire
DD Clark
DD Balch
DD Selfridge

Only one out of 6 torps hits the CLAA and it will surely live on... our sub is killed of course by 3 DDs...

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ASW attack near Pago Pago at 98,110

Japanese Ships
SS I-32, hits 4, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
DD Gansevoort

another round and hey, ho, sub sinks... Pretty bad ASW eh? In two days, the enemy sinks one sub and knocks out three more...

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Day Air attack on Pamakasan , at 24,66

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 58
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 35

No Japanese losses

Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 24

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Bulla , at 40,75

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 153

No Japanese losses


Allied ground losses:
1 casualties reported

Airbase hits 5
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 85

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 6000 feet
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Day Air attack on Lautem , at 33,78

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49 Helen x 124
Ki-46-II Dinah x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 6 damaged


Allied ground losses:
10 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Airbase supply hits 1
Runway hits 56
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 2

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-49 Helen bombing at 11000 feet

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Day Air attack on Manila , at 43,52

Japanese aircraft
A6M3a Zero x 138
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 70
Ki-44-IIb Tojo x 152

No Japanese losses

Airbase hits 8
Airbase supply hits 3
Runway hits 193

Aircraft Attacking:
32 x Ki-44-IIb Tojo bombing at 2000 feet
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Day Air attack on Luganville , at 72,107


Allied aircraft
F4F-3 Wildcat x 20
SBD Dauntless x 7
TBF Avenger x 9
Hurricane IIb x 15
P-36A Mohawk x 62


Allied aircraft losses
SBD Dauntless: 2 damaged
TBF Avenger: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
P-36A Mohawk: 5 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
18 casualties reported

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 56

Aircraft Attacking:
22 x P-36A Mohawk bombing at 2000 feet

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Day Air attack on Wallis Island , at 93,107

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
TBF Avenger x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Runway hits 11

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x TBF Avenger bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Wallis Island , at 93,107

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
PV-1 Ventura x 23
B-25C Mitchell x 3

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-49 Helen: 3 destroyed


Airbase hits 4
Runway hits 26

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x PV-1 Ventura bombing at 10000 feet

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 12
TBF Avenger x 29
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 5


Allied aircraft losses
TBF Avenger: 1 destroyed, 3 damaged
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 2 damaged

Port fuel hits 2
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x TBF Avenger bombing at 5000 feet

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
A-20B Boston x 69


Allied aircraft losses
A-20B Boston: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
13 casualties reported

Port hits 3
Port fuel hits 4
Port supply hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x A-20B Boston bombing at 6000 feet

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Day Air attack on Pago Pago , at 98,110


Allied aircraft
OS2U-3 Kingfisher x 3


Allied aircraft losses
OS2U-3 Kingfisher: 1 destroyed

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Naval bombardment of Pago Pago, at 98,110 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

16 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CA Frobisher, Shell hits 3
CA Hawkins, Shell hits 2
BB Mississippi, Shell hits 1
BB New Mexico
BB Idaho
BB Tennessee
BB Pennsylvania

Japanese ground losses:
675 casualties reported
Guns lost 16

Runway hits 11
Port hits 2
Port supply hits 1

naval bombardment during the day, the base forces are hit but there´s nothing at the airfield and this usually helps to not suffer a nuke...

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Sub attack at 27,54

Japanese Ships
AK Momoha Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

Allied Ships
SS Wahoo

Wahoo fires another salvo of 6 torps at the already finished AK...

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Coastal Guns at Pago Pago, 98,110, firing at TF 1025 [:D]
TF 1025 troops unloading over beach at Pago Pago, 98,110


213 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.
Allied Ships
CL Richmond
CL Detroit, Shell hits 2
MLE Mapele, Shell hits 2
CL Raleigh


Allied ground losses:
2831 casualties reported
Guns lost 2

LOL, seems like Miller still doesn´t really figure out how to land on atolls! This is the end of the day phase and I seriously doubt that he has unloaded everything in just this phase! And what the hell is he doing with this MLE in the invasion TF????????

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Ground combat at Wyndham

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 289170 troops, 3404 guns, 84 vehicles, Assault Value = 6420

Defending force 152293 troops, 1151 guns, 411 vehicles, Assault Value = 2883



Allied ground losses:
375 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Pago Pago

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 10291 troops, 57 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 395

Defending force 15764 troops, 106 guns, 6 vehicles, Assault Value = 549 [:D]



Allied ground losses:
72 casualties reported
Guns lost 5


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Ground combat at Chungking

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 15560 troops, 176 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1861

Defending force 273068 troops, 1463 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 6459



Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Kweiyang

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 22687 troops, 268 guns, 7 vehicles, Assault Value = 3151

Defending force 186734 troops, 64 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 5274



Allied ground losses:
26 casualties reported


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Ground combat at Pago Pago

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 13816 troops, 98 guns, 4 vehicles, Assault Value = 544

Defending force 15861 troops, 72 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 395

Allied max assault: 350 - adjusted assault: 34 [:D][:D]

Japanese max defense: 348 - adjusted defense: 506

Allied assault odds: 0 to 1 (fort level 9)


Japanese ground losses:
318 casualties reported
Guns lost 9

Allied ground losses:
2663 casualties reported [:)]
Guns lost 40

now isn´t that a nice way to wreck your troops? Miller landed one division, a RCT and support troops, including CD units. I still don´t get it why he lands at the end of the day phase instead of the start of the night phase tomorrow. Pretty sure the Allied div will be wrecked tomorrow. I don´t know if there are more TFs that are scheduled to unload tomorrow, but if not, then he should now evacuate his troops again. With my nuclear bombardment of Wyndham and the Allied losses on Pago Pago, the Allied suffered 166 points for ground losses today, now at 18.490...


our aircraft losses were severe though and we now have several daitais trapped on Wallis Island and I can´t fly them out again... [:@]


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9 DDs? 9?! [X(]

I had the feeling it was .. like ... 4 or 5 times that. Now that's a quality rant! [:D]

Castor Troy .. i pronounce you .. Sir Rantalot [;)]

Try putting some lo-fi Admiral in charge of ASW tf. I read somewhere on the forum that putting admiral can slightly increase the performance of ASW.




I will take a screenshot of the DD losses next turn, but yes, I shouldn´t have ranted about the losses, but about the hits on my DDs. Wouldn´t I have been able to disband them after two or three turns at the latest all the time and wouldn´t I have tried everything to save them then the losses would be somewhere in the 40-50 though. [X(]

Like I´ve said, disbanding and sending a nav HQ and AR saved many of them that were already at 80 floatation and otherwise lost.

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Wow, nice nuke by only two BBs.
 
MLEs don't have any depth charges or any big AA guns, and don't have any cargo capacity.  Really weird.  I hope it only is a mistake on his part, those ships are too important.[&:]
 
 
 
By the way, your AAR really taught me a lot.  And now, I'll pay much more attention on ARs, naval HQs and close forward base : I usually tend to lose a ton of DDs, which is not too serious as the Allied, but better save them than losing them.  Especially as I'm starting my first PBEM.[;)]
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MLEs are basically useless until '45 right?
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MLEs are basically useless until '45 right?

You are thinking of AE ships. MLE's are very useful; only way to load mines from a size-8 or lower port.

They are useless in invasion TF's though; no reason for her to be there.
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MLEs are basically useless until '45 right?


As Q-Ball already correctly posted, MLEs are very useFUL. AEs are nearly useless, I only use them in forward bases for the feeling of doing something right, when replenishing my BB main ammo in a level 5 port somewhere in the jungle.
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