You know what I'd like previews of?

[FredSanford3]

the maps & scenarios! Pretty please?

[simovitch]

ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz

the maps & scenarios! Pretty please?

I can post a current scenario list, but is there any map in particular?

[FredSanford3]

ORIGINAL: simovitch
I can post a current scenario list

Ok!

ORIGINAL: simovitch
Is there any map in particular?

Any you have handy - how about the Fortified Goose Egg area (St Vith)?

Frankly, unless there's some marketing reason to hold off, why not all of 'em? A scenario list, description, and map for all the scenarios would probably be good pre-sale eye candy to generate enthusiasm.

[simovitch]

ORIGINAL: Franklin Nimitz

Frankly, unless there's some marketing reason to hold off, why not all of 'em? A scenario list, description, and map for all the scenarios would probably be good pre-sale eye candy to generate enthusiasm.

That's going to have to come from someone besides me - I'm pretty busy with the Manual, beta testing the new build, and fine tuning the scenarios. And I havn't got a paycheck in over 3 years![:D] There is a thread already with screenshots and
scenario descriptions.

but here's a list of scenarios again, most of which you have seen before:

"Bastogne Breakout" Covers the attack of 6th Armored out of the Bastogne perimeter, and 12. SS and 340 VGD counterattack.

"Dinant- Do or Die" Covers XLVII Pz Korps' advance toward the Meuse, 2nd Armored's counterattack.

"Greyhound Dash" Covers LVIII Pz Korps advance toward Marche, and 3rd Armored's counterattack.

"Hell on Wheels Counterattack" Covers the attack of CCA/2 from Jan 4 against SS Pz Gr Regt 4. Simple scenario, intended for beginners.

"Manhay Crossroads" Covers the advance of 2. SS Pz toward Grandmenil/ Manhay.

"Mayhem on the Meuse" What if scenario. 9. Pz have to expand a bridgehead across the Meuse, 2nd Armored counterattacks.

"Peiper crosses the Meuse" What if scenario. KG Peiper have to establish a bridgehead across the Meuse, 30th Division, 82nd Airborne and 2nd Armored are rushed to the scene to prevent this.

"Peiper's Race for the Meuse" Covers the advance of KG Peiper.

"Spearhead v. Reich" Semi-historical scenario covering the fight between 2. SS Pz and 3rd Armored. Runs for 17 days.

"The Final Jump" What if scenario. Covers a German airborne assault on the twin villages Rocherath and Krinkelt, and the German ground offensive.

"Elsenborn Ridge" Historical battle covering Rocherath Krinkelt and Peiper's breakout through Honsfeld- Büllingen.

"We fight and die here". Covers the defence of Dom. Butgenbach by 1st Division against 12. SS.

"Widening the corridor" Covers the American drive to expand the Bastogne Corridor, and the German attemps to cut it.

"Stuck in the Teeth" Krueger's 58 Panzerkorps attemps to grab the Our River bridges at Ouren and Oberhausen and exit to Houffalize or Burg Reuland.

"The Battered Bastards" 26th VGD and KG 901/Lehr attempt to reduce Bastogne before Patton's 4th Armored can relieve them.

"Race for Bastogne" 47 Panzerkorps drive to Bastogne. Germans gotta build them Our River bridges. I played this as Germans and it was a real hoot beating the 101st to Bastogne by a few hours.

"Battle of the Roadblocks" Scaled down version of 47 PanzerKorps drive from Clervaux to Bastogne & Noville.

"Patton's favorite" Scaled down version of "Battered Bastards" covering the 4th Armored relief VS 5th FJ and elements of 26th VGD. Like Höfen Ho-down, it's small enough to test out some of the new features with quick play.

"Skorzeney's bid for glory" Historically the attack on Malmedy was a disaster for Panzer Brigade 150. This scenario assumes that elements of Kampfgruppe Kuhlmann of 12SS Panzer Division have bypassed Dom. Bütgenbach to the south and are brought forward to assist Skorzeney.

"Losheim Gap" The initial objective of the LXVI (66th) Corps is to sweep around either side of the Schnee Eifel and sieze the Our River bridges at Andler, Schonberg, and Steinebruck and drive for St. Vith.

"Höfen Ho-down" The plan for General Hitzfeld's LXVII (67th) Corps, or "Corps Monschau", was to break through the American lines at Höfen and on either side of Monschau and push on past Mützenich and take up defensive positions near Eupen, providing flank protection for the 6th Panzer Armee.

"Cracking the Goose Egg" The German tide was flowing past to the North and South and rising to the east of St. Vith, and the American Commanders knew that withdrawal from the goose egg was inevitable.

"Nobody comes back" With instructions to bypass enemy stronholds, the 2 German divisions and attached units of the LXXXV Corps were to push to the west and southwest, fanning out to guard the southern flank of the 5. Panzer Armee by forming a defensive line along the Sûre river from south of Bastogne to Diekirch.

"Assault on the Sauer" The German LXXX Corps was to be the southern anchor of the Ardennes offensive. With 2 Volksgrenadier divisions and a few assault guns, the task given to LXXX Corps was to cross the Sauer River at various points and push to the south and establish defensive positions and prepare for the inevitable counterattack from General Pattons 3rd Army.

"Eddy's Riposte" General Eddy's counterattack to puch the Germans back to Echternach and the Sure River.

"Advance to the Sure" III Corps counterattack against the German Left Wing, including the battles around Eschdorf against the Führer Grenadier.

[simovitch]

Here's the map for "Cracking the Goose Egg" 30kmx20km:

[Hub]

Fabulous...can't wait!

[FredSanford3]

Looks great! I want to play.

[Llyranor]

Neat!

I know I'm asking quite a bit, but would it be possible to post the time duration of those scenarios as well?

[simovitch]

ORIGINAL: Llyranor

Neat!

I know I'm asking quite a bit, but would it be possible to post the time duration of those scenarios as well?

Early Phases:
7. Armee assault across the Sauer, Dec 16-20

7. Armee assault across the Our, Dec 16-20

5. Pz Armee drive to Bastogne, Dec 16-21

Battle of the Bastogne Roadblocks, Dec 18-20

5. Pz Armee envelopes Schnee Eifel and push to St. Vith, Dec 16-20

6. Pz Armee drive on Elsenborn ridge, including Peiper breakout, Dec 16-19

6. Pz Armee drive on Elsenborn ridge with hypothetical von der Hydte drop, Dec 16-19

6. Pz Armee attack on Höfen-Monschau, Dec 16-18

German Advance:
Dom Bütgenbach, including 5FJ march to Waimes, Dec 18-20

St Vith & the Goose egg, Dec 20-24

Peiper's advance, Dec 17-23

LVIII Pz Korps drive to Hotton & Marche, Dec 20-25

2SS Pz Div drive on Manhay, Dec 24-25

5. Pz Armee drive to the Meuse, Dec 23-26

Skorzeny at Malmedy, Dec 21-22

Battles along the Meuse:
5. Pz Armee hypothetical defends it's Meuse bridgehead, Dec 26-29

1SS Pz Div. hypothetical advance to the Meuse crossing at Huy, Dec 18-23

Allied counterattack:
2nd Armored Div attacks positions of 2 SS Pz Div, Jan 4-8

Patton's relief of Bastogne, Dec 23-26

Widening the Bastogne cooridor, Dec 26-Jan 2

Holding open the Cooridor, Dec 31-Jan 5th

Battles from the Salm to the Ourthe, Dec 20-Jan 2

3rd Army drive to the Sûre, Dec 22- Dec 27

3rd Army drive to the Sauer, Dec 22-Dec 27?

[Llyranor]

Thanks!

[06 Maestro]

That is an impressive list! I am looking forward to getting this game.

[loyalcitizen]

Sim,
 
You mention near the top of the thread a scenario:
 
"Spearhead v. Reich" Semi-historical scenario covering the fight between 2. SS Pz and 3rd Armored. Runs for 17 days.
 
But then in your specific post on dates of the operations, nothing lasts more than a week.
I certainly hope the nice, long 17 day battle is still in. It would be nice if there were just as many 2 week battles as there were 2 day.
 

[simovitch]

ORIGINAL: loyalcitizen

Sim,

You mention near the top of the thread a scenario:

"Spearhead v. Reich" Semi-historical scenario covering the fight between 2. SS Pz and 3rd Armored. Runs for 17 days.
 
But then in your specific post on dates of the operations, nothing lasts more than a week.
I certainly hope the nice, long 17 day battle is still in. It would be nice if there were just as many 2 week battles as there were 2 day.

OK I just checked and "Spearhead" runs from Dec 23 through Jan 9th, so that's 17 days. That's one of Tukker's scenarios and It's the longest in the bunch. I tried getting the Southern Shoulder scenarios to work over a 2-3 week period but there were too many problems. In the end it was better to break them into 2 periods - attack and counterattack.

[loyalcitizen]

Ok, good to know. Too bad that long battles don't work better. Some of my fondest memories as an armchair general have been pulling an exhausted division safely out of the line to rest for 24 hours. That's when I feel like I'm doing the real work of a commander. No time for that in all these 3 day dash-and-grabs. But I guess more people want non-stop combat action than operational dilemmas.

[simovitch]

The bulge was such a condensed and fluid battle; it's difficult to find an area where a set-piece battle raged for more than a week without using a huge map with a huge amount of units.

On the west front, Normandy and Hurtgen may produce some of the longer scenarios that you seek.

[Deathtreader]

ORIGINAL: simovitch

The bulge was such a condensed and fluid battle; it's difficult to find an area where a set-piece battle raged for more than a week without using a huge map with a huge amount of units.

On the west front, Normandy and Hurtgen may produce some of the longer scenarios that you seek.

Hurtgen??
We've heard Normandy will be next up after BFTB.......but Hurtgen?? Anything you'd like to share?? [;)]

Thanks.

Rob. [:)]

[simovitch]

After BFTB is released I guess anything is possible, eh?

[bink]

I would like to add my interest in Hurtgen - I haven't found any computer games with these scenarios.

Of course, Normandy would be great too.

[chrisol]

Do you think there will be a release of the maps for google earth ? - I found the ones in CotA excellent both for understanding the history of the battles and area, and for getting a feel of how/why the objectives were important and how to plan the operation... much appreciated if so,

Chris

[Arjuna]

Chris,

Good suggestion. We didn't actually produce those for COTA. One of our users, Plodder, did them. Hopefully, he might do the same for BFTB if we ask him nicely, hey! [:)]