PBEM

lenin · Post by **lenin** » Wed Apr 29, 2009 4:00 pm

No hard feelings taken on my part either Franck. You sure did get a proper battering!

Kingmaker · Post by **Kingmaker** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 5:56 am

HiHi
 
Russias T17 orders sent in.
 
All the Best
Peter

barbarossa2 · Post by **barbarossa2** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 11:18 am

Sweden's turn is in.

Matto · Post by **Matto** » Thu Apr 30, 2009 1:12 pm

So waiting just for Turkish turn ...

Mus · Post by **Mus** » Fri May 01, 2009 1:12 am

Sorry thought I already sent my T17 turn in.

barbarossa2 · Post by **barbarossa2** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:54 am

Wow. Is Britain losing these Glory Points for taking Portugal as a protectorate? Interesting.

By the way, the British attack on Sweden by Britain certainly has historical precedent. Britain attacked Denmark for fear Napoleon would move in and take their fleets. After being defeated in the battle of Copehagen by the British, the Danes gave their navy to Britain in exchange for leaving them alone. The Brits did all kinds of underhanded things to maintain their naval supremacy. After reading Adkins' "War for All the Oceans", I was less impressed with Britain than I ever had been really. Something I also didn't know is that Britain had declared war on France in 1803! So, I would say Lenin is playing them true to their historical character

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I wish you could buy and sell and exchange fleets as part of the treaty terms.

lenin · Post by **lenin** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:25 pm

I'm losing the Glory due to defunct deals with Austria (mainly). Hardly played single player before this game, and the one thing I've learned is to be very, very, careful which deals you make diplomatically, especially in pbem (I'm losing glory due to my allies defaults) - maybe I should cancel -I'll have to read the rules again.

Thanks for helping us all out Barbarossa, by taking over a minor power in our game at the drop of a hat, and playing well with a position somebody else left you. However, I wish you were punished more for breaking the two alliances that you so casually swept aside at the start of the game, hehe [:D]

By the way, if you were not at war with my ally Prussia, my fleets would not have sunk yours. If you had also not decided to just wander all over the north German Plain, seizing control of territories that were not yours, and then letting the French just wander over them at will, I would not have felt compelled to place my fleets in a position by which they would sink yours if you would not withdraw from your course of action.

You can call me an aggressor if you like, but at least I haven't sold my soul to the Bonapartist Demons....[X(]

PS, really heavy week at work. Got blisters on the blisters on my blisters. Might be a bit quiet til tomorrow night.

barbarossa2 · Post by **barbarossa2** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:37 pm

I don't remember the Bonapartists ever once moving through my territory.  And we concluded our "Russian Defense Pact" because I was isolated by Russia and even threatened.   
 
Lenin, how do you know you are losing those points for agreements made that aren't being followed through on?
 
P.S. This is definitely the most fun I have had playing a PBEM in a long time.  CoG:EE is just one great game.  Sure there are a few things I would personally change.  But on the whole, just a blast.

lenin · Post by **lenin** » Fri May 01, 2009 5:46 pm

Last reply, I really need to sleep!

I'm just guessing Barbarossa, but the Treaty section of the report tells you what is going on. Mine is largely full of the stuff Austria can't do due to the conditions of the France peace. I'm only guessing though. I can meet all of my treaty obligations.

P.S. this game is a blast. Well done everyone who had anything to do with it's development.

barbarossa2 · Post by **barbarossa2** » Fri May 01, 2009 6:05 pm

Concerning our diplomatic issues, perhaps engaging Sweden and discussing these matters with her would have made Britain and Russia safer in the long run. [:)] I was better able to communictae with Napoleon than I was with my Russian and British "allies."

IronWarrior · Post by **IronWarrior** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:35 pm

Yeah this really is a great game, I only wish that some of the features from single player could be included in pbem... maybe one day.

I do think there is some kind of issues (hate to say bug without knowing) with Glory Points. France took a huge hit this turn because of Austria's inability to meet the terms of surrender and I assume this is going to continue each turn. Doesn't seem right that France should take this hit... Austria should be forced to break thier other treaties in order to comply or take the hit.

Just my opinion.

barbarossa2 · Post by **barbarossa2** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:37 pm

Iron Warrior,
 
Can you explain?  Elaborate on why you are taking hits on your Glory for Austria not complying with their surrender terms?
 
-B2

IronWarrior · Post by **IronWarrior** » Fri May 01, 2009 8:44 pm

Will do... I'll go take some screen shots and post them... something seems wrong imo.

IronWarrior · Post by **IronWarrior** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:06 pm

OK, so here in the first screenshot it shows the various things Austria was unable to comply with. The second screenshot shows the hits I took. My guess is that being 3 things, was because of the inability to comply with declaring war on France's enemies due to existing treaties. This seems wrong imo becuase it was terms of surrender and should be enforced... or at the very least France should not take a hit for it. I have a feeling the other nations may be taking similiar hits as well.

barbarossa2 · Post by **barbarossa2** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:21 pm

IronWarrior,

So you don't know where else these -40, -40, and -40 are coming from? Do you have any other treaties you are defaulting on? I think you should post this as a thread in the main section with these screenshots.

-B2

IronWarrior · Post by **IronWarrior** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:25 pm

Nope, just appeared on this turn, so it has to be something to do with the Treaty of Vienna.

The only other thing it could possibly be is Austria's inability to liberate Berg, Wurzburg, and Augsberg... equalling three items. I have a feeling it is the DoW issues though... will know for sure next turn if it has to do with the liberation issues or not (if I still take a hit, it is obviously not that [:D]).

Edit: posted in support.

Kingmaker · Post by **Kingmaker** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:35 pm

HiHi

Bill not sure on this, but there's another way of looking at this, ie if you put the clauses in the surrender treaty that Austria had to go to war with Britain & Russia, then, knowing we were all in alliance and that therefore Austria would not be able to comply that would suggest the cause of your GP hits is your fault, I don't mean this in any nasty fashion at all, we are all learning the game, but as I suggested in a previous post folk may well be looking at some of these treaty clauses completely Cock-eyed.

Of course if the AI inserted the clauses for you then yes it is a bug as it should be programed to recognise un-enforceable clauses.

Just a thought.

All the Best
Peter

IronWarrior · Post by **IronWarrior** » Fri May 01, 2009 9:48 pm

Yeah I totally understand what you're saying Peter and that's why I stopped short of calling it a bug... it may very well be WAD.

If that is the case, I just don't agree with it. France isn't forcing Austria to break treaties, but neither should she take the hit for it if Austria declines.

To the victor go the spoils?

Mus · Post by **Mus** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:11 pm

Guys, I asked about this issue in the patch update thread. In the "another PBEM" game, the 1796 one, Prussia took massive glory hits because I (GB) couldnt declare war on France under the terms of the Anglo-Prussian Mutual Defense Pact. This is because the war between France and Prussia started after France had surrendered to me and there was an enforced peace involved. I think I should have taken the glory hit every turn unless I canceled my treaty with Prussia, but instead Prussia took -40 Glory every turn for the 4-5 turns the war lasted.

I think its a definite bug that in some cases the glory hits for noncompliance to a treaty goes to the wrong party.

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IronWarrior · Post by **IronWarrior** » Fri May 01, 2009 10:14 pm

That's right! I knew I saw a similiar situation before... that was it.

Mus, could you add that to the thread I put up in support?

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