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ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: bo
I apoligize Paul for not noting the humor, it did not seem to upset Patrice so I should have shut up and zipped it as my grandson says to me [but what does he know[:D]]

Hey, you did well indeed ! [:D] I did not reply to Paul's "humor", because I'm used having people being rude with me and treating me as childish. Anyway I like it, who don't want to be childish here ? We all want, and we all are [:D]

I guess I still remember all the nasty remarks a couple of months ago, anything you posted was ripped apart and panned all the time,

Funny that I don't remember that time that you speak about. Are you sure it is the MWiF Forums ?

until I believe many people did not want to post here, when you think about it with all the many thousands of posts here on the Matix forums only a very few do the posting and if snide remarks are made by anyone about their post just maybe they are afraid to post. I am reffering to the snide remarks made two months ago by a few people. You and Patrice and MR are very knowlegable about this game and you may not feel the frustration that myself and other newbies go through trying to understand this game. I trully need your input to help me learn what seems to be a brillant war game. Again I apoligize to you for my comments which as I see now were inappropriate.

Don't be afraid to post, I think that ea all want to share our gaming (and history ?) experience of WiF FE here with you and any so called newbie.

I hope I was not one of those that made those "snide remarks" that you talk about from 2 month ago, I don't remember seing them. I'm not too sure either by what you mean by "snide remarks", but I know that I can be quite rude myself sometimes from time to time, but usualy it is not with people that don't know the game.

You know what Patrice its my age [senile] it was the Battlefront forums where people got booted, I bounce between the two forums all the time and got a little confused[>:] I just dont like negative comments but I have to get over that. Snide remarks were all over those forums until people got the boot. I honestly feel pressure trying to learn this game I am so far behind you and MR and Paul in learning this game I just got frustrated and, took it out on Paul, sorry. When your wrong your wrong meaning me Willy!

Willy

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: bo
I just dont like negative comments but I have to get over that. Snide remarks were all over those forums until people got the boot. I honestly feel pressure trying to learn this game I am so far behind you and MR and Paul in learning this game I just got frustrated and, took it out on Paul, sorry. When your wrong your wrong meaning me Willy!

No worries Willy, please don't be ashamed to post, WiF is complex (not so much in reality, but this is our secret), Paul and I an any other guy here will happily help you and try to avoid "Snide remarks" (what are "Snide remarks") ?

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ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: bo
I just dont like negative comments but I have to get over that. Snide remarks were all over those forums until people got the boot. I honestly feel pressure trying to learn this game I am so far behind you and MR and Paul in learning this game I just got frustrated and, took it out on Paul, sorry. When your wrong your wrong meaning me Willy!

No worries Willy, please don't be ashamed to post, WiF is complex (not so much in reality, but this is our secret), Paul and I an any other guy here will happily help you and try to avoid "Snide remarks" (what are "Snide remarks") ?

Thanks Patrice, it was on the Battlefront forums not here, someone would post a question and you would be made fun of by people saying what a stupid question, are you p---ing with yourself, you jackass, stupid newbie, not just me alot of posters got that and worse, sometimes the language was bitter and vulgar but there gone now kicked off the forums. There were arguments over them being kicked because they were very knowledgable about the game, but in the end the forum admin. had enough and booted them.
I realize that Steve will have good tutorials when the game is released that will help us, but I feel a little pressure now to try to understand the game to the best of my ability before it is released. I cause all my own problems in these forums. Steve, you, Paul, MR
and others have been very helpful, but many wont post here they just read the posts, I just wonder if there afraid to ask a question? Dont know what their problem is, maybe they understand the game better than I do and dont need to post questions.

Willy

[Orm]

ORIGINAL: bo

ORIGINAL: Froonp

ORIGINAL: bo
I just dont like negative comments but I have to get over that. Snide remarks were all over those forums until people got the boot. I honestly feel pressure trying to learn this game I am so far behind you and MR and Paul in learning this game I just got frustrated and, took it out on Paul, sorry. When your wrong your wrong meaning me Willy!

No worries Willy, please don't be ashamed to post, WiF is complex (not so much in reality, but this is our secret), Paul and I an any other guy here will happily help you and try to avoid "Snide remarks" (what are "Snide remarks") ?

Thanks Patrice, it was on the Battlefront forums not here, someone would post a question and you would be made fun of by people saying what a stupid question, are you p---ing with yourself, you jackass, stupid newbie, not just me alot of posters got that and worse, sometimes the language was bitter and vulgar but there gone now kicked off the forums. There were arguments over them being kicked because they were very knowledgable about the game, but in the end the forum admin. had enough and booted them.
I realize that Steve will have good tutorials when the game is released that will help us, but I feel a little pressure now to try to understand the game to the best of my ability before it is released. I cause all my own problems in these forums. Steve, you, Paul, MR
and others have been very helpful, but many wont post here they just read the posts, I just wonder if there afraid to ask a question? Dont know what their problem is, maybe they understand the game better than I do and dont need to post questions.

Willy

Please. Ask questions. The more questions the better. That way I can find out what I always asumed I know was in reality "a ghost of WiF past".

And even if I consider myself learned in the WiF rules I know that some rules I got wrong. I just do not know which ones.

I might also improve my own play.

[paulderynck]

ORIGINAL: bo

I apoligize Paul for not noting the humor, it did not seem to upset Patrice so I should have shut up and zipped it as my grandson says to me [but what does he know[:D]] I guess I still remember all the nasty remarks a couple of months ago, anything you posted was ripped apart and panned all the time, until I believe many people did not want to post here, when you think about it with all the many thousands of posts here on the Matix forums only a very few do the posting and if snide remarks are made by anyone about their post just maybe they are afraid to post. I am reffering to the snide remarks made two months ago by a few people. You and Patrice and MR are very knowlegable about this game and you may not feel the frustration that myself and other newbies go through trying to understand this game. I trully need your input to help me learn what seems to be a brillant war game. Again I apoligize to you for my comments which as I see now were inappropriate.

Willy

No worries, and I was glad to read further on that the remarks you referred to were on a different forum. This one is quite civilized, IMO.

[composer99]

Yes, we only have a few token trolls and they usually only come out when discussing the release date. Not so much now that there is one, though, now that I think about it. [;)]

[Mad Russian]

ORIGINAL: bo

I just dont like negative comments but I have to get over that. Snide remarks were all over those forums until people got the boot.

The internet is sometimes hard to convey tone and sentiment on. That's why the smilies are on here. Normally I try to take anything said to me in the same manner I post in. That of us sitting somewhere drinking your favorite beverage while I drink iced tea....[8D] Because in the past when I've responded to what I thought were negative comments I was 99.9999% of the time wrong. The comments weren't posted in the manner in which I took them.

So, use the smilies as often as you can and try to take the comments as neutral as you can. That should help. On those occasions where there is actual animosity Matrix is pretty quick to take action.

I honestly feel pressure trying to learn this game I am so far behind you and MR and Paul in learning this game I just got frustrated and, took it out on Paul, sorry. When your wrong your wrong meaning me Willy!

I had a good idea of how WiF worked 10+ years ago. Now I'm trying to catch up. At times I ask questions that I'm pretty sure of the answer, here on the forum, so I can not only make sure it hasn't changed but that others with less experience can gain from that and feel easier about asking their own questions.

To be honest with you, the game mechanics in MWiF should be so much easier to learn than the original board game there should be no comparison. MWiF won't let you break the rules and ruin an entire game. We have done that before. So, my main advice to anyone that is just starting out. RELAX. Computer game rules are much easier to learn. The computer won't let you do things not allowed.

This is the best organized effort I've ever seen for a board game conversion. The tutorials and the help on these forums is second to none, by light years. What this group has done will be evident in July. For those of us that have been involved in WiF in the past in any of it's iterations it's already evident.

When you get the game do a few play throughs with someone that has some experience if you can. I would think that there will immediately be AAR's started for new gamers to look at and follow along with. I'll be looking forward to those myself...especially those done by Gridley so I can begin to learn what to expect from him when we meet on the field of battle.....[;)]

No worries Willy, please don't be ashamed to post, WiF is complex (not so much in reality, but this is our secret), Paul and I an any other guy here will happily help you and try to avoid "Snide remarks" (what are "Snide remarks") ?

Thanks Patrice, it was on the Battlefront forums not here, someone would post a question and you would be made fun of by people saying what a stupid question, are you p---ing with yourself, you jackass, stupid newbie, not just me alot of posters got that and worse, sometimes the language was bitter and vulgar but there gone now kicked off the forums. There were arguments over them being kicked because they were very knowledgable about the game, but in the end the forum admin. had enough and booted them.
I realize that Steve will have good tutorials when the game is released that will help us, but I feel a little pressure now to try to understand the game to the best of my ability before it is released. I cause all my own problems in these forums. Steve, you, Paul, MR
and others have been very helpful, but many wont post here they just read the posts, I just wonder if there afraid to ask a question? Dont know what their problem is, maybe they understand the game better than I do and dont need to post questions.

Willy

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The BFC boards are a place I don't go. I've been there one single time in the past year. I don't expect my visitation rate to increase this year. They are known community wide for the amount of strife they allow and even promote. You won't find even close to the same attitude here on these forums.

Good Hunting.

MR

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As always MR you make me feel better about the game, thank you for your insight.

Willy

[Caquineur]

Hello everyone,

I have one question, and it's maybe a silly one, but I can't find the answer by myself nonetheless...[&:]

What does the name of the option "Hitler's war" (last option of the Production Rules) mean ?

I know the option (option 49 in WIF FE) is about Production Multiples (and is also related to US entry option 30, "Lend Lease to USSR"), but I don't understand the reason for the name itself.

And a further question on the same subject for those who have already played this option in WIF : would you say it helps the Allies, the Axis, or would you consider it a balanced option ?

Thanks for your help !

[Caquineur]

And another question about the Ukraine (option 62) : has any one here already "created" the Ukraine when playing with this option, and if so, was it with Germany or the USSR ? Would you say it was worth the cost ?

[&:] (again)

[composer99]

Caquineur, to answer some of your questions: my group has played with Hitler's War; while I do not know the reasoning behind the name, I do know that a common nickname for it is "Hitler Wins" as it weakens the USSR considerably while also making an invasion of England more palatable.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Caquineur

Hello everyone,

I have one question, and it's maybe a silly one, but I can't find the answer by myself nonetheless...[&:]

What does the name of the option "Hitler's war" (last option of the Production Rules) mean ?

I know the option (option 49 in WIF FE) is about Production Multiples (and is also related to US entry option 30, "Lend Lease to USSR"), but I don't understand the reason for the name itself.

And a further question on the same subject for those who have already played this option in WIF : would you say it helps the Allies, the Axis, or would you consider it a balanced option ?

Thanks for your help !

I don't know for the name.

My group plays it since it was published, because :
1) We never liked the static USSR city bonuses, that makes good things better, and bad things worse both for the German & the Russia. If you have the city bonuses, you're in a situation where you don't need them, and if you need them, you don't have them. So it is a loose / loose situation.
2) We never liked the avoidance of countries to invade enemy major power's territory until they can knock it off. Without Hitler's war, The USSR avoids East Prussia, and the Allies only jump on Italy when they can kill it in 2 turns, and you never invade Germany. With Hitler's war, you are free to invade any major power, you won't pay a dear price in enemy extra production only for that. You'll pay for attacking while in the enemy home country, but not for oonly being here.

We feel it is OK regarding balance.

[Froonp]

ORIGINAL: Caquineur

And another question about the Ukraine (option 62) : has any one here already "created" the Ukraine when playing with this option, and if so, was it with Germany or the USSR ? Would you say it was worth the cost ?

[&:] (again)

The Ukraine ?
We play with that since day 1, but we never created it.

[Zorachus99]

I've considered it several times, because the Ukraine cities cease to be home cities for the USSR, potentially causing problems, and fixing partisan problems. However, the unit trade off has always been rather rich for my blood, not to mention the O-chit.

[Caquineur]

ORIGINAL: Froonp
My group plays it since it was published, because :
1) We never liked the static USSR city bonuses...
2) We never liked the avoidance of countries to invade enemy major power's territory until they can knock it off...
We feel it is OK regarding balance.

Thanks for the explanations. I hadn't thought of the first reason, but I had the same feeling about the second. I found the standard rule a bit strange in this regard.

Now I'm still [&:] about the name : ideas, anyone ?

[Caquineur]

ORIGINAL: Zorachus99
... the unit trade off has always been rather rich for my blood, not to mention the O-chit.

Thank you. That was my guess/feeling too.

[darune]

I have considered creating the ukraine as Germany (current game)

If you take enough ground quickly in ukraine, you may be able to get you hands on blue factories before they get railed away. You will get the blue factories intact when you create ukraine. My problem was I had already destroyed the blue factory when this occured to me. I took odessa and sevastapol and crossed the river in the surprise impuls, even so if i remember correctly it was only the factory in odessa i could have gained anyways in the current game, but maybe it was more.

[composer99]

My Axis opponents in our current face-to-face games declined to create Vichy France: they are going for incomplete conquest so they can invade Spain.

[Shannon V. OKeets]

ORIGINAL: composer99

My Axis opponents in our current face-to-face games declined to create Vichy France: they are going for incomplete conquest so they can invade Spain.

I have been testing forming Vichy a lot recently, 30 to 40 times a day. What I was surprised by was the number of times the French have no alternative home country and therefore France is conquered completely after the formation of Vichy. Has anyone worked out the probability of that happening?

[lomyrin]

Are you subtracting 2 from the die roll even if the French BB's and CV are in French Metro ports ?
 
Usually at least one monor becomes Free French.
 
Lars