Air transfers from CV to land base

ny59giants · Post by **ny59giants** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:27 pm

I know John 3rd had the same problem with his American CVs having the air units transferring to a base and them becoming all damaged. I just had the same thing happen to me as Japan and wonder why this does happen and what can be done to prevent those planes from becoming 100% damaged?? They have to spend close to a week repairing??

Thanks!!

Chris21wen · Post by **Chris21wen** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:40 pm

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I know John 3rd had the same problem with his American CVs having the air units transferring to a base and them becoming all damaged. I just had the same thing happen to me as Japan and wonder why this does happen and what can be done to prevent those planes from becoming 100% damaged?? They have to spend close to a week repairing??

Thanks!!

Just happen to me. Having thought about it the a/c I transfered (in port) was a Hellcat NF which isn't carrier capable ( I think). This maybe the reason.

RUPD3658 · Post by **RUPD3658** » Fri May 15, 2009 5:46 pm

To avoid the problem you need to fly the AC on/off the CV before it docks (or undock it). Once docked the transferred AC will be damaged.

ny59giants · Post by **ny59giants** » Fri May 15, 2009 6:20 pm

In both instances, the CVs were at sea and far away from port.

erstad · Post by **erstad** » Fri May 15, 2009 9:43 pm

I have seen this too, and it seems to be intermittent. I always save before transferring my CV planes. If they go in damaged when they shouldn't, I reload and do some other stuff, then save and transfer again. Often it will work later. Sometimes I give up. I haven't noted a consistent pattern of when this works and when it doesn't; I think I've even seen a case where I transferred one DB squadron off a carrier and it transferred OK and I transferred the second one and it was 100% damaged. Can't absolutely swear to that, though.

John 3rd · Post by **John 3rd** » Fri May 15, 2009 10:20 pm

It SUCKS!

n01487477 · Post by **n01487477** » Fri May 15, 2009 10:22 pm

Guys,
Same advice I gave John ... Save game before you do it ... reload the game ...try, try, try, again ... (not always will work, but mostly!)

--Damian--

Oops ... just noted that erstad says the same[;)]

stuman · Post by **stuman** » Fri May 15, 2009 11:09 pm

I have encountered the same thing, and it is inconsistent in my experience.

Mistmatz · Post by **Mistmatz** » Sat May 16, 2009 7:27 am

I believe there is a glitch in the rebase routine from CV to base. Ususally rebasing before arriving, or after leaving helps but it's not guaranteed as others already mentioned.

Sometimes it is even possible to rebase air wings without damage when the CV is undocked in the same hex.

But as I said this seems to be pretty erratic, so I rebase when not in the same hex and I save the game before I do so to be on the safe side.

Btw. if you transport non-carrier planes (eg P-40s) on a carrier it's IMO ok that they are 'damaged' at the base. But anything that can lift off (assuming enough runway lenght remains) shouldn't be damaged.

castor troy · Post by **castor troy** » Sat May 16, 2009 8:54 am

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

In both instances, the CVs were at sea and far away from port.

it´s a known bug. At least I know it´s a 100% bug and it was fix/broken with many other things due to some patches in the past...

I don´t know if this is on the list for an upcoming patch...

herwin · Post by **herwin** » Sat May 16, 2009 11:01 am

ORIGINAL: Chris H

ORIGINAL: ny59giants

I know John 3rd had the same problem with his American CVs having the air units transferring to a base and them becoming all damaged. I just had the same thing happen to me as Japan and wonder why this does happen and what can be done to prevent those planes from becoming 100% damaged?? They have to spend close to a week repairing??

Thanks!!

Just happen to me. Having thought about it the a/c I transfered (in port) was a Hellcat NF which isn't carrier capable ( I think). This maybe the reason.

Hellcat NFs were carrier capable!

Avenger · Post by **Avenger** » Thu Jun 11, 2009 9:41 pm

Happens to me only when I am in port.

rominet · Post by **rominet** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:12 am

As RUPD3658 said, it happens when the transfert is made from a CV to port or vice versa and if the CV is docked.
If the CV is undocked, the planes are taking off and are landing on the airfield (distance = 0).

castor troy · Post by **castor troy** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 4:36 am

ORIGINAL: rominet

As RUPD3658 said, it happens when the transfert is made from a CV to port or vice versa and if the CV is docked.
If the CV is undocked, the planes are taking off and are landing on the airfield (distance = 0).

that´s how it should be but that´s not always how it really goes. Like ny59giants said, his carriers were way off from port. I do the same as n01487477 stated, save the game before you do CV-base transfers because if it goes wrong you can reload the turn and usually it doesn´t happen twice in a row. At least not on my machine. Glitch, bug, however you want to call that.

rominet · Post by **rominet** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 6:57 am

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: rominet

As RUPD3658 said, it happens when the transfert is made from a CV to port or vice versa and if the CV is docked.
If the CV is undocked, the planes are taking off and are landing on the airfield (distance = 0).

that´s how it should be but that´s not always how it really goes. Like ny59giants said, his carriers were way off from port. I do the same as n01487477 stated, save the game before you do CV-base transfers because if it goes wrong you can reload the turn and usually it doesn´t happen twice in a row. At least not on my machine. Glitch, bug, however you want to call that.

Yes, there is a known bug about transfert of air groups but i prefer not to speak about it.

rtrapasso · Post by **rtrapasso** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:34 am

ORIGINAL: rominet

ORIGINAL: castor troy

ORIGINAL: rominet

As RUPD3658 said, it happens when the transfert is made from a CV to port or vice versa and if the CV is docked.
If the CV is undocked, the planes are taking off and are landing on the airfield (distance = 0).

that´s how it should be but that´s not always how it really goes. Like ny59giants said, his carriers were way off from port. I do the same as n01487477 stated, save the game before you do CV-base transfers because if it goes wrong you can reload the turn and usually it doesn´t happen twice in a row. At least not on my machine. Glitch, bug, however you want to call that.

Yes, there is a known bug about transfert of air groups but i prefer not to speak about it.

Supposedly NOT a bug, but by design... if a CV was in port, planes were transferred ashore by winching (apparently needing some sort of partial disassembly)... this was modelled...

Personally, i think it is excessive, but that was the explanation given a long ago... i would guess any damage by a winching process would be minimal.

herwin · Post by **herwin** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 7:51 am

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: rominet

ORIGINAL: castor troy

that´s how it should be but that´s not always how it really goes. Like ny59giants said, his carriers were way off from port. I do the same as n01487477 stated, save the game before you do CV-base transfers because if it goes wrong you can reload the turn and usually it doesn´t happen twice in a row. At least not on my machine. Glitch, bug, however you want to call that.

Yes, there is a known bug about transfert of air groups but i prefer not to speak about it.
Supposedly NOT a bug, but by design... if a CV was in port, planes were transferred ashore by winching (apparently needing some sort of partial disassembly)... this was modelled...

Personally, i think it is excessive, but that was the explanation given a long ago... i would guess any damage by a winching process would be minimal.

The movement delay to the airfield and stripping them down for transport. It was much more convenient to just fly them off/on as you approached or departed port.

USSAmerica · Post by **USSAmerica** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 9:40 am

Still is today.  [:)]
 
When our carriers return home to port, the only planes that are still on board are those that absolutely cannot fly. 

rtrapasso · Post by **rtrapasso** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 11:12 am

ORIGINAL: herwin

ORIGINAL: rtrapasso

ORIGINAL: rominet

Yes, there is a known bug about transfert of air groups but i prefer not to speak about it.
Supposedly NOT a bug, but by design... if a CV was in port, planes were transferred ashore by winching (apparently needing some sort of partial disassembly)... this was modelled...

Personally, i think it is excessive, but that was the explanation given a long ago... i would guess any damage by a winching process would be minimal.

The movement delay to the airfield and stripping them down for transport. It was much more convenient to just fly them off/on as you approached or departed port.

Yeah, but it will happen even for float planes (from non-carrier ships) which would be presumably lowered into the water at the port.

USSAmerica · Post by **USSAmerica** » Fri Jun 12, 2009 12:01 pm

The float planes being included is a feature, Bob.  [:'(]

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