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[anarchyintheuk]

Probably never saw it until the first stick of bombs hit. Akagi had that same experience in the IO.

[Brady]

Van Nes, it is[:)]
 
 
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 Acording to "Dull" p. 66, Van Ness was in the area of the Bangka Strait picking up surviving escapes and was sunk on feb. 17th by Japanese Bombers. Osamu Tagaya, notes in his Book Mitsubishi Type 1 Rikko Units of WW 2 that during this time frame the entire area was covered by Bettys and Nells, which had atacked and sank several allied war ships, he does not mention the Van Ness specificaly howeaver, so...it may be she was sunk by Nells.
 
 Odely this was one of those picks I thought imposable to get.[:)]

[anarchyintheuk]

Brady, does he say anything about the altitude he attacked at?

[Brady]

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

Brady, does he say anything about the altitude he attacked at?

I have made some inquerys, and as soon as I get a clue I will pass it on.

[Local Yokel]

Brady, you might like to take a look at this thread on the j-aircraft board (I think you actually contributed to it!).

Post #86 is particularly interesting, giving information about the assessment of the photograph made by staff at the den Helder Maritime Museum in the Netherlands. Their view is that the ship in this photograph is not Van Nes after all, and they suggest that it is more likely to show one of the ships in the ABDA Striking Force sortie to Gasper Strait on 14 Feb 1942.

Other posters on the j-aircraft thread draw attention to the hull shape in plan form and offer de Ruyter or Exeter as alternative candidates for the ship shown here.

There was also quite a debate about whether the striations visible were even the product of another ship's passage, hence the smiley in my original post.

[DuckofTindalos]

ORIGINAL: anarchyintheuk

Probably never saw it until the first stick of bombs hit. Akagi had that same experience in the IO.

Except the first stick missed there...

[Brady]

ORIGINAL: Local Yokel

Brady, you might like to take a look at this thread on the j-aircraft board (I think you actually contributed to it!).

Post #86 is particularly interesting, giving information about the assessment of the photograph made by staff at the den Helder Maritime Museum in the Netherlands. Their view is that the ship in this photograph is not Van Nes after all, and they suggest that it is more likely to show one of the ships in the ABDA Striking Force sortie to Gasper Strait on 14 Feb 1942.

Other posters on the j-aircraft thread draw attention to the hull shape in plan form and offer de Ruyter or Exeter as alternative candidates for the ship shown here.

There was also quite a debate about whether the striations visible were even the product of another ship's passage, hence the smiley in my original post.

The overlays are definatly convincing, and this may be why I decided not to run it so long ago, It would seam it is not Van Ness, but even still their is some doubt about that.

It is a very interesting thread to be shure.

I had labled the pick as Van Ness, and asumed I knew what I was doing then.[:)]

[Long Lance]

ORIGINAL: tocaff

As far as optics go think Zeiss for Germany and Nikon for Japan.

If I may add: ...think Zeiss or Leica for Germany...

[Brady]

In response to my Inquery over at J-Aircraft, I did find out who actualy sank the Van Ness:
 
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Froggy
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Re: Van Nes, Who Sank It? [/align]« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2009, 03:08:22 am »

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Hi Brady,

Some years ago, I wrote an article for the french magazine "Le Fana de l'Aviation" which delt with the invasion of Netherland East Indies. Wath I remember about this action is as follows :

On Feb.17 1942, the dutch destroyer "Van Nes" escorted the sea liner "Sloet van de Beele" which was evacuating troops from Oosthaven to Java. The liner was sunk by 15 G3M2 of Genzan Kû. The destroyer was then attacked by B5N1/2 (the two models were used at the same time) from carrier Ryûjo and was hit by at least 3 bombs. When it sank, part of its crew was rescued by dutch floatplane Do-24K coded X-18 (52 men were safely transported to Tandjong-Priok).
Ryûjo's Sentô Kodoshocho is hidden in my files and It would take hours to find it. This document gives the exact number of planes involved in the mission, the names of crewmen and the amunitions used. As far as I remember, bombs used by Ryûjo's Kates for level bombing were of 60 kg but this needs to be confirmed.

Hope this will be of interest for you.
Cheers

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Mark E Horan
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Re: Van Nes, Who Sank It? [/align]« Reply #2 on: May 23, 2009, 05:58:33 am »

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In an effort to save Froggy the effort of digging for his files, Ryujo's 17 February strke was composed of 10 B5Ns in two chutais of five planes each.  All were expended one 250 kg and four 60 kg bombs. 

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[Local Yokel]

Thanks, Brady!
 
Interesting to see it confirmed that Ryujo had a mixed bag of B5N1's and B5N2's embarked.  Complicates the spares inventory and range of skills required of the maintainers.  Probably reflects the extent to which the IJN were having to scrape up B5N1's from training units to fill out the carrier air groups.