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[mbatch729]

Tongue firmly in cheek for my previous post. I'll be buying day 1, in about 3 - 4 weeks, I'm guessing. (I have no insider trading knowledge, just my best guess).

[thegreatwent]

Ah, well, I guess you just lost a customer. According to my PBEM opponents, I definitely can't handle WiTP...

I suspect our play styles are similar [:)]

[stuman]

ORIGINAL: sapper_astro

I missed the bus the first time around, as reports I had received of the Japanese AI were not promising, along with a plethora of bugs many ranted about lead me elsewhere. I am now seriously looking at purchasing this game, but I have two questions to ask first.

1) In a short spiel, what will be the major differences between this edition and the original game? As I do not know the original, I cannot make heads or tails of the various things that people are discussing on here, so make it dummy friendly[;)]

2) How is the AI broken up? Is there, say, certain fronts that can be controlled with the AI taking on the other roles? Can I take the role of the Japs in the East or South? Or the Australian front? The Far East front? etc?

For what it is worth, I have played a lot of war games over the years, AGEOD games, TOAW, Korsun Pocket, HOI 2, and a host of others. and I really can suggest you purchase WiTP. It beats them all.

[Lützow]

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Wow,then you'd be lost pbm with AE.

I spent hundreds of hours with scenarios up to 'Rising Sun' and never touched the great campaign yet. Frankly, I would lack of patience and probably lose track in a 1600-turns-pbem, covering whole pacific theatre. However, AE will be a must already for it's new features and I expect even the smaller scenarios playing out different due to larger map scale and additional bases.

[SuluSea]

ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins


Yep, I understand your point. This is one of those funny areas of human psychology. Note that AE has been known to be coming for two years now. For over a year we've said that WITP would be required to play it and in that time we've had WITP on sale twice for significant discounts.

Now we could also discount WITP for a limited time during the release period, but this would only be for a very limited time since we feel that WITP is still well worth the original price and also serves as a good "trainer" for AE (If you can't handle WITP, you shouldn't be playing AE).

I'll give it some more thought.

Regards,

- Erik

People that are surprised at this should look no further than their very own mirror, Matrix and some members of the forum communicated that WITP would be needed for AE to all who were listening. I recently bought the game myself during the Matrix Christmas sale and no question it is well worth the asking price. As many know here WITP isn't your typical game that you learn in a day, week or month. It takes time to learn all the game functions that's why I recommend buying WITP now instead of later. Anyone wanting to play out the pacific battles on a grand scale will love the game.

[morganbj]

ORIGINAL: felixgrey

I also passed the first time round, b/c I heard that this was in the making. Now that it's almost done I'm looking forward to it.
However, I think they have said that we have to buy the original Witp and then buy the Admiral's Edition.
The expense of buying both back to back is prohibative.

So, get WITP now and AE next week when it's released. That spreads the cost out a little. [8D]

[felixghost]

ok. I guess I wasn't listening..... I decided to check back in after a year or so, so obviously I'm at fault. I may or may not buy the game depending on reviews and bundles. I'm also waiting on WIF and waiting to see what the price point is on that, but I will pretty much buy that as soon as it hits the shelves. I too can wait to buy this on the next "sale period", it just means I get to be patient and buy it when I find it reasonable to me.
 

[Matto]

ORIGINAL: bjmorgan

... and AE next week when it's released ...

It sounds interesting Mat [8D]

[Mike Scholl]

ORIGINAL: Lützow

ORIGINAL: Tophat1812
Wow,then you'd be lost pbm with AE.

I spent hundreds of hours with scenarios up to 'Rising Sun' and never touched the great campaign yet. Frankly, I would lack of patience and probably lose track in a 1600-turns-pbem, covering whole pacific theatre.

You might be suprised..., especially with PBEM. The long campaign is demanding..., but it also allows you strategic flexibility you don't have in a scenario. There's nothing like the satisfaction of "watching a plan come together". And if you have a live opponant to spring it on, well..., that's just gravy. [8D]

[Graycompany]

ORIGINAL: Grotius

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Why not charge a bit more for AE and a bit less for WITP, as a limited-time bundle? The bottom line would be the same for you (or even better), and it would give newcomers a sense that they got a reasonably good deal, since they pay a little less for WITP than I did and pay the same price for AE that I do.

I never really liked that type of marketing. It gets done in the states all to often. exsiting costumers, who are the base, and support the company or product from the start, should be the ones who get the better deal, rather then someone that comes along later. An example is the way the Cable/Sat companies do here in the states, you go in , purchase a plan, 2 weeks later they are offering a better deal, but not for exsisting customers. Ive always thought that the best way to market, is take care of the base, not people just looking for a deal, for those people, more often than not, will move to the next best deal out there, with no thought of loyalty. Just my opinion.

[Xargun]

I haven't played WitP in about 2 years but since the time I bought it my price per hour of enjoyment is something like $0.000001. I have honestly played WitP more than any 5 games added together and enjoyed it more. I remember feeling the joys (and pains) every time my Carriers went against my opponents. The game is worth it. Now I just need to find time in my day (between work, home and my almost 3 yr old) to play AE when it comes out. I will definately be buying it, but it might be some AI time for me until I can sneak away time to play PBeM again.

Xargun

[Graycompany]

dont sleep, its overated

[Graycompany]

Just checking, I think I have been stuck on 422 post for like 50 posts

[Grotius]

Graycompany, I take your point about marketing. But Terminus's earlier post in this thread illustrates my point: most people expect there to be a bundle of some sort, even if the actual bottom-line price for WITP+AE is no different than what Matrix currently has planned. It's a matter of perception and psychology, as Erik says.

Also, it's in our interests to grow the game's fanbase. We want more people playing WITP (and AE) so that we have PBEM opponents, so that we can talk shop with fellow lunatics here, and so that there's enough of a fanbase to justify a WITP-2. We diehard WITP owners are all going to buy AE anyway. The question is: what about those who don't own WITP? Will the fence-sitters take the plunge?

[Graycompany]

You may be right Grotius, although I think most fence sitters are on the Fence for a reason. if they have not purchased WITP by now, im not so sure how many AE will draw in. I to will purchase AE, regardless of the price.

[felixghost]

Then again, I imagine a significant portion of us have known that this was in the works for sometime and decided to wait for it's release. However, I do not live on the forums, thus I did not know I needed to purchase WITP first before I could play AE, I thought it would be an inclusive item like COG:EE. Oh well, I'm sure I will pick it up when it comes out.