French commandos have british ranks and uniforms

[squadleader_id]

I think I made a mistake with the rank chart translation for Quartier-maître...here's the revised version.
For ranks worn between the 2nd and 3rd button for the lower ranks...I tried a few designs but haven't found the right look that fit CC ranks gadget graphics limitations...so for now the Quartier-maître ranks will be on the shoulders (there are some photos/pics of these) while private/ensign/matelot ranks are represented with standard shoulder/arm without ranks.

...any input or suggestions?

[samarobriva]

The Maître principal rank, the one 5th from the right looks too thick and appears to be bigger than a lieutenant.
From Matelot to Quartier maître ranks are on the front not on the shoulder: see the picture

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[squadleader_id]

ORIGINAL: samarobriva

The Maître principal rank, the one 5th from the right looks too thick and appears to be bigger than a lieutenant.
From Matelot to Quartier maître ranks are on the front not on the shoulder: see the picture

Thanks for the correction, samarobriva...will fix the Maitre principal rank.
I'm glad the ranks chart translation isn't off *phew*

About the ranks on the front...I haven't figured out a design that I like (due to the limitations of the small CC ranks gadget graphics).
But I was thinking of the pic below...is this non standard?


Also the rank patch worn in the front in the photo is the same style as the pics from the Osprey books...but this one is using the 'standard' French Naval version...which is the historical one? [&:] Well I guess the rank seen on the photo is the historical ones...the same design as the pics in the Osprey books.

[Nembo]

Look really good squadleader, you could probably even fit the France and commando name patches on the upper sleeve.

[squadleader_id]

ORIGINAL: Nembo

Look really good squadleader, you could probably even fit the France and commando name patches on the upper sleeve.

Thanks, Nembo!
The thing is there's abstractions in CC ranks graphics...usually all other patches and insignias are not shown...only ranks.
Divisional Patches and other insignias are also usually ommited. British parachute badge are not shown on the current CCTLD Brit Para ranks.
So...should we include France Commando unit insignias on these rank designs? And maybe Para badges for the Brit/Canadian Paras?

[samarobriva]

ORIGINAL: squadleader_id

ORIGINAL: samarobriva

The Maître principal rank, the one 5th from the right looks too thick and appears to be bigger than a lieutenant.
From Matelot to Quartier maître ranks are on the front not on the shoulder: see the picture

Thanks for the correction, samarobriva...will fix the Maitre principal rank.
I'm glad the ranks chart translation isn't off *phew*

About the ranks on the front...I haven't figured out a design that I like (due to the limitations of the small CC ranks gadget graphics).
But I was thinking of the pic below...is this non standard?

Yes things aren't correct. It gives a rough idea on how it should be. But if you pay attention to the picture you may notice many disturbing facts that may tell you that somethings are in fact "fresh" Like the parachute, the Croix de Lorraine, the ranks on the shoulder. Furthermore the legend says that it belongs to a Matelot==> one red strip
On the drawing, ranks are incorrectly drawn thanks to Photoshop cut and paste and stretch. What you see is what is put on sleeves.
Here is a zoom in on Rabouhans' picture (that's his name)
See the stripes are horizontal. The Osprey image of the K gunner is also correct !!!

The béret is incorrectly worn. In reality it will just fall.

[squadleader_id]

Thanks for the input!
I'll work out a design for the 2 lower ranks.
The rank patches (colors and bars) will be based on the Osprey book illustrations.
So it's 1 bar/stripe for Matelot and 2 bars/stripes for Quartier maître 2nd Class...or should I skip directly to 3 bars/stripes of Quartier maître 1st Class?  There are only 2 slots available in the CC ranks gadgets.

[samarobriva]

Quartier maître is the first real rank. I'll say that you may skip the first rank as it is for common soldier. So if I understand correctly it will be blank, two red strips, three red strips and so on ?

[squadleader_id]

ORIGINAL: samarobriva

Quartier maître is the first real rank. I'll say that you may skip the first rank as it is for common soldier. So if I understand correctly it will be blank, two red strips, three red strips and so on ?

For standard CC ranks chart...the first rank is for private.
From the chart I already made, I wanted to change the first 2 ranks ( 1st and 2nd ranks from the right in the pics I posted) to Matelot (1 red strip) and either Quartier maître 2nd Class or 1st Class.
So...1 red strip, then 2 red strips (or 3 red strips).

[samarobriva]

So one strip for private and two strips for Quartier maître. We skip the differenciation between première and seconde classe.
Is that ok for you ?

[squadleader_id]

Sounds good to me!!
I'll get cracking on the graphics...hopefully I can come up with something so that the "shirt with rank badge between the 2nd and 3rd button" won't look confusing in the game.

[squadleader_id]

I've been kept busy with PJ's CC5: SOC v1.2 and my current CCTLD multiple Ops...but finally spared some time to go back to this 'project'.
Took a while to find a design that's easily identifiable as "ranks worn between the 2nd and 3rd button".
Latest revision...and should be the final version.







In game screenshot:

[Andrew Williams]

Hey, that looks godd SQUID... well done!

[squadleader_id]

Thanks, SHRECKIE!
Glad you like them [:)]

BTW, while we're being nit-picky in discussing historical ranks...the German Panzer crew rank graphics also needs updating so that they show the correct/historical panzer wrap uniform designs and Panzer insignia. The current ones looks like CC5 German infantry rank graphics painted black, complete with infantry insignia.  The German uniform design from CC5 is the M43 BDU issued to infantry.

[Tejszd]

Looks good squadleader_id.... Thanks for pointing out things and then helping resolve them!

[RD Oddball]

Yes thanks again Squadleader.  FYI I included your graphics in the recent team test as you can see. 
 
RE: Panzer crew wrap style shirt - As per usual great work on the additional research.  I think at this point and leave it for a post patch mod or something since it's already being tested.  Hopefully a final.  The process doesn't suit itself to updates trickling in.[;)]  That being said if we find we need to fix any other critical issues I could add in minor updates for testing at the same time.  They all need to be worked in as one lump rather than one here, one there, etc. and the last window has passed by.  So feel free to e-mail me anything you have time or inclination to do and I'll work them in if the opportunity presents itself.

[squadleader_id]

No probs...and check your e-mail, Jim!