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There was another movie, with John Belushi in it. He is in the Desert in his Grant/Lee tank, and he teams up with a Pommie, and Aussie and a few others. Haven't seen it for a while, but at least they got the tank right. I cannot remember the name for it now.

I think you're getting two movies mixed up [:)] John belushi was a tank commander in 1941 and the movie you're thinking of is Sahara with Humphrey Bogart which was fairly average.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114324/

I knew I had seen it! Make that James Belushi. Looks like they have already been through a remake phase.
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Blackhawk Down is the most accurate war movie, even down to exact words said and gunbattle situations.  It is tied with Starship Troopers (1997) for the movie I've seen the most times.  Like 4 times each I think.  A Bridge Too Far was another very accurate movie.

Battle of the Bulge was pure cheese start to end like no snow, evil psychotic Germans, fake singing, fake tanks, fake situations etc.  The Longest Day before I stopped watching it was pretty random too showing German fighters strafing the allies on the beaches and the pilots were guffawing as they did it... uhhh hi Mr. Director... there were no German airplanes in Normandy.  Stalingrad (Enemy at the Gates) about the snipers was all dull fiction except for the fact there was a famous Russian sniper in Stalingrad.  The historical situation where an elite German sniper was taken out by the Russian sniper was a lot more interesting than the fictional way the movie did it.  In real life, the famous Russian sniper couldn't find the German so another Russian stuck his head up to provide a target, got shot dead, and so the famous sniper spotted the German and shot him.


Yes this did happen.

Most inaccurate war film has to be The Battle of the Bulge. About time a remake was made!

Pearl Harbour is also up there with the bullshit Hollywood interpretation of WW2

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U571 was the worst.


OMG how did i forget that one!
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There was another movie, with John Belushi in it. He is in the Desert in his Grant/Lee tank, and he teams up with a Pommie, and Aussie and a few others. Haven't seen it for a while, but at least they got the tank right. I cannot remember the name for it now.

I think you're getting two movies mixed up [:)] John belushi was a tank commander in 1941 and the movie you're thinking of is Sahara with Humphrey Bogart which was fairly average.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0114324/

I knew I had seen it! Make that James Belushi. Looks like they have already been through a remake phase.
I caught about 20 minutes of this one and switched it off. I think James Belushi is a great actor, but this film was pants!
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Come on guys,give the Battle of the Bulge a break!  Henry Fonda,Robert Shaw,Charles Bronson,all great actors.
Yes it is innacurate,but it does give the general flow of the battle. From the initial confusion to the Germans fuel shortage.The movie is for the mass public who do not know the battle except for the name.Totally inacurate,but very entertaining.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
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Most inaccurate war film has to be The Battle of the Bulge. About time a remake was made!
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There was another movie, with John Belushi in it. He is in the Desert in his Grant/Lee tank, and he teams up with a Pommie, and Aussie and a few others. Haven't seen it for a while, but at least they got the tank right. I cannot remember the name for it now.

1941 perhaps?

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Come on guys,give the Battle of the Bulge a break! Henry Fonda,Robert Shaw,Charles Bronson,all great actors.
No !
Yes it is innacurate,but it does give the general flow of the battle. From the initial confusion to the Germans fuel shortage.The movie is for the mass public who do not know the battle except for the name.Totally inacurate,but very entertaining.

Mark Twain had a saying that I think applies to this hideous film
If you don't read the newspaper, you are uninformed; if you do read the newspaper, you are misinformed
This film should be black listed as any reference in the historical context ...[:D]
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ORIGINAL: sapper_astro
There was another movie, with John Belushi in it. He is in the Desert in his Grant/Lee tank, and he teams up with a Pommie, and Aussie and a few others. Haven't seen it for a while, but at least they got the tank right. I cannot remember the name for it now.

1941 perhaps?


Sahara, I believe.

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There was another movie, with John Belushi in it. He is in the Desert in his Grant/Lee tank, and he teams up with a Pommie, and Aussie and a few others. Haven't seen it for a while, but at least they got the tank right. I cannot remember the name for it now.

1941 perhaps?

Sahara, I believe.

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Sahara (1943)

THE STAR OF "CASABLANCA" IN THE WAR'S MIGHTIEST ADVENTURE DRAMA!

SENSATIONAL! DRAMATIC! EMOTIONAL! MEMORABLE!

Their dramatic story can now be told!

A mighty story of adventure, courage and glory in the desert!...tender human emotion...triumphant action...matchless thrills...a memorable entertainment experience!

Actualy the film was better than these taglines.

"Filmed during World War II, this film was intended to be a propaganda piece for the U.S. government.
Seargant Joe Gunn (Bogart) leads an abandoned tank unit after the fall of Tobruk in North Africa.
The tanks picks up British, French, South African, and Sudanese soldiers along the way, becoming a microcosm of the Allied troops. The group works together to defeat a much larger German force that wants the same water well that they have.
The film portrays all of the images that the U.S. deemed important for the American people see in regards to the war" (Written by Kasey Kist ).

Sahara also starred Lloyd Bridges, Dan Duryea and J Carol Naish.
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How abt 1945's "A Walk in the Sun"? The cast had everyone, even Huntz Hall from "The Dead End Kids" aka "The Bowery Boys"?

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A Walk in the Sun (1945)

"In the 1943 invasion of Italy, one American platoon lands, digs in, then makes its way inland to attempt to take a fortified farmhouse, as tension and casualties mount.

Unusually realistic picture of war as long quiet stretches of talk, punctuated by sharp, random bursts of violent action whose relevance to the big picture is often unknown to the soldiers." (Written by Rod Crawford)
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U571 was the worst.

Ingenious American submariners steal Enigma, at one fell swoop writing British efforts (which included some fallen Sailors/real heroes if memory serves) right out of the war.

Ha rumpf. We do so got a U boat. It's sitting up on blocks right off the Chicago Express way. I'd call the guys that boarded a sinking u-boat armed with scuttling charges real heroes.

Where's your U boat? I didn't see any U boats tied up on ther Thames. Didn't see any battleships either. We got battle ships all over the place. That's because nobody sank them.

I thought The Patriot was a realistic war movie. American farmers taking on mean old redcoats. That movie rocked.
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Sahara also starred Lloyd Bridges, Dan Duryea and J Carol Naish.

Ah yes... I was close.

Not.

*laughs*

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Come on guys,give the Battle of the Bulge a break!  Henry Fonda,Robert Shaw,Charles Bronson,all great actors.
Yes it is innacurate,but it does give the general flow of the battle. From the initial confusion to the Germans fuel shortage.The movie is for the mass public who do not know the battle except for the name.Totally inacurate,but very entertaining.

The problem with Battle of the Bulge, is it names itself after an historical battle and gets absolutely none of the details right about it. At least movies like A Bridge Too Far and so on TRY to cater to an audience who knows the difference between a Sherman tank and an M-47, or who know a bit about what happened in the battle. I give A Bridge Too Far kudos for making some effort at historical accuracy. Battle of the Bulge was like a B grade war movie with top notch actors. Almost NO historical research was necessary to make it. Granted it got the basics down, German fuel shortage and what not but other than that it made almost NO effort to get things right. It may be an entertaining movie regardless but since the title of the thread is "Most inaccurate war movies" (sorry for the mispelling in the thread title) I think Battle of the Bulge is a good nomination for topping the list.
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Hogan's Heroes...I know, not a war movie, but it was the most insulting piece of WWII crap, whether for the big or small screen!


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I might as well chime in here..I think most everyone can agree that Battle of the Bulge (which was the first one that came to mind), and U-571 are two of the worst made war movies. But even Bridge Too far, which I really like from the jump scenes, used Leopard I tanks in lieu of actual panthers or mk IV's.
 
As for the best..I am surprised no one has mentioned "Band of Brothers"..to me, that is by far the very best followed by "Gettysburg" , "Memphis Belle", "Cross of Iron" and "Das Boot". But there are plenty of other good old war movies like "Zulu" and "Battleground".
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Gettysburg and the Prequel "Gods and Generals" were great apart from the terrible beards!Zulu is full of innacurracies but is still a good film.I went to scholl with a lad whos father had 3 ex RAF hangars FULL of WW2 equipement,both allied and German,all used in the film Industry.He even had 2 Bren Carriers still in their crates,unopened since they were made!It was like being in a sweet shop with a huge bag and not having to pay!
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i saw PH a looong time ago and always thought if the movie was edited to include only war scenes, dropping all the romance crap it might be watchable. i don't even remember the movie anymore, but would it be a decent movie it it was edited as such?
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i saw PH a looong time ago and always thought if the movie was edited to include only war scenes, dropping all the romance crap it might be watchable. i don't even remember the movie anymore, but would it be a decent movie it it was edited as such?

Well, let me refresh your memory-I just watched about 1/2 the movie two nights ago.

US pilots telling ground personnel to get up into the control tower to shoot down a Jap plane on his tail-they did it.
US pilots flying in between buildings in the city with Jap planes on their tail-looks like Star Wars.
US pilots with Japs on their tails setting a trap; flying straight towards one another then conducting sharp left/right turns with the result of Jap fighters crashing into one another.

Even my 16 year old son started laughing at the scene of the US pilot flying in England punching his way out through his canopy after being shot down in the Channel.

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“By innacurate it could be innaccurate props, or innaccurate story lines (unless the movie is intentionally about a fictional battle).”

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U571 was the worst.
How so? U-571 is completely fictional. No such operation every happened during the war, so it doesn't seem to meet the criteria.

"...S-33, being modified to resemble a U-Boat... when S-33 sails, Hirsch explains that the Allies intercepted the disabled U-571's SOS. They are going to masquerade as the resupply ship U-571 called for, board the ship, capture her enigma coding device and then scuttle the U-571."


ORIGINAL: IronDuke
Ingenious American submariners steal Enigma, at one fell swoop writing British efforts...
Actually Polish efforts.


The only British naval action that even comes close to the premise of the movie would be this:

"On 30 October 1942, U-559 was damaged by five British destroyers in the eastern Mediterranean. After the captain was killed and the crew abandoned the U-boat, a British boarding party from HMS Petard entered the submarine and recovered the signal key books. Then two British sailors drowned trying to remove the Enigma machine when U-559 quickly sunk. However, the recovery of the signal key books was important because the addition of the fourth rotor in the early months of 1942 had prevented the Allied codebreakers from reading messages to the German submarines. The key books from U-559 enabled the Allies codebreakers to understand how the fourth rotor on the Enigma machine worked and to start reading the messages to German submarines again."


Please note: the fourth wheel was in itself not significant to winning the Battle of the Atlantic as the problem never was finding German U-Boat (Donitz was very happy to do that for the British). The problem was that the Germans were reading the British convoy codes, only once the British realized this and changed their codes did the dynamics of the battle change.



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