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Originally posted by David boutwell
"...Yes, Steel Master is the one!"
Yes, the only one :D No, there are some other good french scale modeling magazines (MMR or Histoire & Maquettisme) but I think it's the best.

"I don't have the website addresses..."
I'll make a search.

"...the last radio message heard from Frost's paratroopers at Arnhem Bridge..."
Woaw! So british! :eek:

"...I am, by the way, a Market Garden junky"
You probably enjoy Close Combat "A bridge too far" ? It's certainly the best sequel in the serie.
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David & Gloo: If you guys leave this forum and go on a private chat line I'll personally shoot you both....I've followed this conversation from the beginning and even though I plan no future mapmaking I find this very informative, interesting and I intend to follow it to it's conclusion, if of course you'll allow me. Merci Gloo. Thanks Dave.:) :cool:
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Chief, I'm glad our discussion has kept you on the edge of your seat. Now, I kind of feel like one (never myself!) feels when he (that generic guy) is having an argument with his wife in public, and suddenly he realizes that there have been others within ear shot, and they are watching!:)

Really, though. This has never been an argument. Simply a good discussion.

Gloo, I'm sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. How old are you anyway, and where do you live? By the way. I hardly feel that you are at the mercy of a language barrier. If my high school students wrote in English as well as you do, I'd be a happy man!

It appears that you've been a fan of SP for quite a while, as well. Since neither game is "perfect", I guess that this all boils down to a matter of personal preference. My bias originates, as I've said, from before SP. I think that if a lot of those of us who have been gamers for a while think back, we would remember that the reason why SP was so attractive to us in the first place was the fact that it resembled Squad Leader more than any other previous game. I can remember back when Avalon Hill started getting into the PC game business, and dreaming of the day when Squad Leader became a computer game so that I no longer had to struggle with the damned rule book for that game! The moment that I found the SP demo on a disk for another game, I realized that I had found the answer to my prayers! And my prayers were answered by a game that was to SPWAW what shadow puppets are to DVD!(By the way, I found the demo the night before a vacation trip to New Zealand. Ruined the whole trip for me, because all I could think about was getting back home so that I could play that stupid game! I could remember reading the write up on the game in PC Gamer over and over again and studying the pictures in the article!)

"You probably enjoy Close Combat "A bridge too far" ? It's certainly the best sequel in the series."

I've never really been able to get into that game. Being a board gamer from way back (from a 36 year-old's perspective), I can't really get into real-time games. And also, because I didn't really have the time, or didn't want to take the time, that it would take to master the workings of the game, when I'd rather be using that time reearching and designing SP maps and Scenarios. And if you want to talk about difficult maps to edit!!!! I'll have to say, though, that many of the maps that I've seen for that game are, literally, a work of art! I just don't know how they do it.

I appreciate your help with the Stell Masters stuff! I'll drop you my email address when I send you the zipped LBM's. I'll just send you e few to start with.

The French website that I'm so fond of is called "CHARS ET BLINDES FRANCAIS" at http://www.info-micro.com/engins/sommaire.htm

The book that I'd really love to see is titled "L’AUTOMOBILE SOUS L’UNIFORME 1939-1940". Have you seen that one?

And, yes, Magonline is the group.

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Re: Great Reading

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Originally posted by chief
"...If you guys leave this forum and go on a private chat line I'll personally shoot you both..."
Nicht schiessen, nicht schiessen! :) Don't you worry chief we won't desert and continue to fight until we're out of intellectual ammo.
..."I've followed this conversation (...) and I intend to follow it to it's conclusion, if of course you'll allow me..."
I didn't realize this conversation could be that much interesting for those eventually reading! On the contrary, I sometimes thought we were flirting with the off topic limits :) Anyway, it's a good news to see someone else could have found some interesting informations in the whole. Thank you for your appreciation and of course you're welcome here! It's an open thread you know :)
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Originally posted by David boutwell "...and suddenly he realizes that there have been others within ear shot, and they are watching!"
That's absolutely right, I'm flushing too! :D
"...sorry to hear about the loss of your friend. How old are you anyway, and where do you live?"
Thanks to you, it's really comforting.
I'm 41 and I live in a really small town (96 inhabitants) between Paris to the east (140km) and Le Mans to the west (70km). I'm about 150km south of Caen and 110km north of Orleans. I'm also near the Saumur Tank museum... . The persons who lived in the house I'm actually resident, have seen the Panzer-Lher divizion marching to the battlefront in 1944 then the Leclerc 2ème DB racing to Paris, a few days later (then later on, the Red Ball trucks roaring!)! I precisely thought about something that could be a good serie of scenarii: the defense of the town of Chateaudun and it's surroundings, against the lead elements of the 3rd Patton army. Maybe one day... .
"If my high school students wrote in English as well as you do, I'd be a happy man!
Humm, you shouldn't say that... for I could believe it :D But wait a minute, how old are your students? I'm an old man compared to them... ! I hope they'll improve by time :) Anyway, you don't have to worry for we face the same problem here in France, foreigners often speak a better french than most of us actually do! In a way it's flattering but on the other hand, it's a bit worrying too... .
"...we would remember that the reason why SP was so attractive to us in the first place was the fact that it resembled Squad Leader more than any other previous game."
You're probably right and I'm a fan of ASL too (have you tried VASL?). It's funny that you speak about Avalon Hill SL because I was thinking about the things that haven't been correctly adapted in SP (even if SP isn't actually intended to be an exact ASL video game clone). The main issue regarding how the game engine uses the map caracteristics is the inability for an hex to render more than one terrain distinctive feature. To be more specific, I try to say that in ASL you can be in an open zone and still have to cross an hedge to go in the adjacent open hex; that's impossible in SP and imho, it's a big gap. But which video wargame is able to render such an aspect? There can be one but I don't know about it (maybe the recent Squad Leader?). I was also thinking about a way to make things more realistic with SP maps. What do you think about lowering the game scale?! Right now an hex represents roughly 50m of terrain but wouldn't it be a huge step forward if that scale was about 5m? A road or house hex would be closer to reality. It wouldn't be a big problem to modify an OoB to fit that new scale (particularly for the infantry troops) but the main snag would be for the most recent tanks! We could end up facing the same problem that's been encountered in Close Combat 3, where Tigers and Panthers are unable to show their gun ranging superiority over russian tanks. That's THE problem! Of course, the Matrix SP wizards have been able to enhance the maps size so they could push it a bit further... ? Anyway, I remember of a man who planned to create a SP2 mod with a 1m:hex scale. His website's down now and I don't know if his project has been completed or carried on by someone else? It could be interesting to ear from him and his expertise on that subject. Well, I have many ideas for that game but spend too much time talking about it, where I should try to put it to the test and achieve something concrete! :)
"...I found the demo the night before a vacation trip to New Zealand. Ruined the whole trip for me, because all I could think about was getting back home so that I could play that stupid game!
I couldn't say more to describe what many of us have experienced with that game! I can remember so many mornings where I went to work after a full night of combat, my ears still buzzing with the sound of those gunfights. It was the first time I had the feeling of being back to childhood, playing with my plastic soldiers. And as you said, there was that historical aspect that gave the game something more addictive (and also a good strong argument pretending not to be that childish in the eyes of others, so called mature people :) ). By the way, did you go back to NZ? Never went there personaly but everything I've ever seen about that country was wonderful. Moreover, Hobbitown stands there now, somewhere! :)
"...I can't really get into real-time games. And also, because I didn't really have the time, or didn't want to take the time..."
I see. I've never been a RTS fan either but there are some really good games that took my attention and Close Combat 2 is one of those. It's really easy to "master" it! You'll find it's far less complex thant WaW! If you play at the slowest game speed it's really close to SP pace (I use to play fairly fast in SP solo games, don't you?) and you'll add the thrill and stress of taking quick (and hopefuly wise :) ) decisions to your gaming experience. Historicaly the CC series are great games. Both maps and equipments are pretty accurate and give a great feeling of "real" wargaming. Moreover, it's well designed to play quick and furious battles online without as much time consuming than PBEM does. You really should give it a second try for it's truly a great game... even for the alternate turns games addicts we seem to be :) I recently discovered another great pseudo realtime wargame (you issue all your orders -waypoints, formations and stances- then let the things go) that might be of interest for a Market Garden junky :) It's called Airborn Assault and it's distributed by Battlefront (http://www.airborneassault.com/). Visualy it looks like a boardgame with a sort of topographical map (no hexagons). It's more an operational game than a tactical level one but the engine is very accurate and take into account many specifications and particularities, for units and leaders. I only played the demo but it's very well designed and addictive, plus the AI is by far the best I've ever seen in a PC wargame! Give it a try and you might be surprised how the AI can handle your units and the opfor. Really impressive.
"And if you want to talk about difficult maps to edit!!!! I'll have to say, though, that many of the maps that I've seen for that game are, literally, a work of art! I just don't know how they do it."
I agree with your opinion, it's probably the top of the art in PC wargames map design. To learn how it's done you can find now a collection of tools that allow to create such beauties :) These tools have been used to design mods like Vietnam or France 1940. I never tried it myself though so I can't say if it's easy to use.
"The French website that I'm so fond of is called "CHARS ET BLINDES FRANCAIS" at http://www.info-micro.com/engins/sommaire.htm
"Didn't we speak of it in a preceding post (maybe on another thread though)? You're right, it's certainly the best website dedicated to french military equipment. An incredible sum of research and work packed in a free access website. Everyone interested by the subject must bookmark that url.
"The book that I'd really love to see is titled "L’AUTOMOBILE SOUS L’UNIFORME 1939-1940". Have you seen that one?"
Of course! I don't own it but it can be ordered easily. There is also a magazine called "Automobilia" that is exclusively dedicated to cars and trucks used in France throughout the years. Unfortunately it's not translated in english but if you're looking for great photographs... . Skimming through foreign magazines is a good way to slowly understand a lot of words and begin to comprehend the language, anyway!
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Post by David boutwell »

Gloo,

I've not tried VASL, as it came around after SP, I believe. Unless I am wrong, doesn't it still rely on the endless hours of studying the rules manual and lines of site by the players themselves?

I've not been back to NZ, but my wife's relatives have been here. They said that they knew people who had been extras in the LOTR. Uh oh! Have we crossed over into another forum?


"Didn't we speak of "CHARS ET BLINDES FRANCAIS" in a preceding post (maybe on another thread though)?"

I had mentioned that there was a good French armor website, but not by name. I wanted to mention the name of the site for the benefit of others.

Have you ever seen the book "L’AUTOMOBILE SOUS L’UNIFORME 1939-1940". I'm wondering if it has more color profiles of equipment than I've already acquired from the images that are from that book and were posted in the Website "France 1940". If there are many more, then it will be worth picking up.

Regards,

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Post by Gloo »

Hi David;
Originally posted by David boutwell
"...doesn't it still rely on the endless hours of studying the rules manual and lines of site by the players themselves?"
Well, I think you've got the point for it's actually unplayable if you don't master the game rules. But it's also a blessing for those not having a devoted buddy ever ready to set up a game and play it with them.

"...Uh oh! Have we crossed over into another forum?"
It may be possible for I've been wandering for a while on some LotR forums too :)


"...I'm wondering if it has more color profiles of equipment than I've already acquired from the images that are from that book and were posted in the Website "France 1940..."
I can't answer that precisely but I suppose there's much more in the book than what can be seen on the website.

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