questions?

[crusher]

why can you not capture and hold Tokoyo it always coverts back to Japans control. i think San Fran OR La does it also. is it possible to make a land march route to the east coast. i know that Japan would probably never get there but it would be tempting. thanks

[Capt. Harlock]

Are you keeping an Allied LCU in Tokyo? I believe that in the code, there's a provision for Japanese militia units to appear in the major Japanese cities.

[crusher]

yes there are 4 marine div there and every turn it goes back to japan control

[Ranger-75]

Originally posted by crusher
why can you not capture and hold Tokoyo it always coverts back to Japans control. i think San Fran OR La does it also. is it possible to make a land march route to the east coast. i know that Japan would probably never get there but it would be tempting. thanks

Lets remove the 4 million US Army soldiers and over 3 million Navy and Marine troops that were never sent overseas and open a red carpet for Japanese players.

Also lets place every US factory in Manila. LA didn't have all those factories. There was very little out west outside of the Boeing plants in Washintgon. When Boeing expanded, where they expand? In Kansas. All those plane factories you see were built in the east coast and in the ohio valley. The tanks - Detroit, the Guns, the northeast and the Ohio valley.

There should be perhaps one plane factory in each west coast city. Everything else should be in "interior US".

[BillBrown]

No aircraft factories in the West?? My mom would be surprised, she installed fuel bladders in B-25s at the Douglas Plant in L.A. My grandfather worked at a different Douglas B-25 Plant in the L.A. area.

What about the factories in San Diego, they built more than PBYs and PBMs.

The game does have to abstract some things, A/C factories in L.A. isn't one of them.

[crusher]

ranger i do not understand your post?? is it suppose to be mean or what is that term they use flame??

[Ranger-75]

Originally posted by crusher
ranger i do not understand your post?? is it suppose to be mean or what is that term they use flame??

Crusher, here's my beef;

A favorite "stupid human trick" is to try and trash the US war effort by capturing LA since there is an inordinate amount of factories there. There were factories on the west coast, but not in the quantity that the game has and they weren't concentrated in LA like the game has them. It's a temptation that should not be there. I'm seriously thinking about balancing out the west coast factories so that each city has the same number of factories - 2 or 3 each with the rest in "Eastern / interior US".

Bill, I didn't say there was NOTHING" out there besides Boeing, I said little. Douglas was a west coast based company, but besides Boeing, they were about it. My mom worked in WWII also (in the northeast).

Even the vast majority of warships were built in east coast shipyards, the California (1919) and Oregon (1896) being the only two war ships larger than a destroyer (excluding the many CVEs) built on the west coast prior to 1945. so, most of the shipyard ooints belong on the east coast too. there were only 4 major ports / shipping facilities on the west coast prior to the war, there were dozens on the east coast.

[Jeremy Pritchard]

I have an Atlas of WW2 and Ranger-75 is not far off.

Even though it is not detailed, it does show that 99% of AFV production is in the Detroit area and the East Coast. Fighter production DOES exist on the West Coast (Did not say what types of fighters built, but that factories did exist). It had B-24 and B-29 production around Seattle, but also had B-25 and B-26 production throughout California.

I don't have the book in easy access, it is packed as I am moving, but I do remember the above facts.

In 3.1 you will notice all of the Artillery, and most of the AFV production is in the East Coast. Probably all AFV should be there, but I did notice, one, AFV area in a US State not far from California.

[deVada]

Tokio returning to Japanese Control and San Fran to US is caused by rebirthing West Coast and Imperial GHQ in those cities.
When I played against computer it was necessary

(maybe it wasn't fair for my PC but he cheated also (reinforcing his HQ's which caused his CV's to move half the map in one week))

to take enemy's shoes and replace those HQ's to other base, and then it never returned to computer player.

Regarding to the factory topic why don't just allow players to locate factories where they will want to have them ?
If players can change war doctrine why not the manufacturing plans ? :rolleyes:

[BillBrown]

Sorry Ranger, mis-read your post somewhat. I'm passing a kidney stone and the pain killer is messing up my mind.

[Dawy]

On top of my head, I remember seeing a a map of the US showing where certain things were produced.

Yes virtually all Armored vehicles and artillery were produced in the East US.

Most Boeing factories were in Seattle.

There was one B-24 factory in L.A. No B-17 or B-29's I think.

There were hardly any aircraft factories in San Francisco or San Diego, producing only single engine aircraft (fighters)

I have heard that by 1945, LA was producing 1/3 of US aircraft but I don't live in US so I'm not sure if thats true

I've heard that many workers migrated to the west at the beginning of the war so maybe the factories in the west should all start off with very low values and let them slowly expand over time.

Heres a link to a website listing a whole heap of aircraft companies and whereabouts their factories were located and what they were producing

http://www.acepilots.com/planes/factory.html

[Jeremy Pritchard]

Thanks for the website!

I would really be grateful if someone could find a site like this in regards to Japanese aircraft industry!

Thanks a lot!

Jeremy

[GET TRANSPT]

I find much of the argument about US industry spurious, since if the Japanese are capturing US bases, the game is not going to be much of an Allied win anayway.

Second, I find it curious in the talk about puny- tonnage tanks and planes, that no mention is made of merchant ships. As I recall, Liberty ships were INVENTED by Henry Kaiser of Kaiser Steel, based Fontana, Ca. This was the largest steel mill west of the Mississippiin 1942. Los Angeles and other west coast shipyards were turning out merchanmen built by Kaiser at a record clip.

The game is an abstraction (sorry fellas, you willNEVER e bale to recreate WWII again), and penalizing the Allies for losing th west coast of the US is eminently justifiable

[CynicAl]

Originally posted by GET TRANSPT
I find much of the argument about US industry spurious, since if the Japanese are capturing US bases, the game is not going to be much of an Allied win anayway.

Second, I find it curious in the talk about puny- tonnage tanks and planes, that no mention is made of merchant ships. As I recall, Liberty ships were INVENTED by Henry Kaiser of Kaiser Steel, based Fontana, Ca. This was the largest steel mill west of the Mississippiin 1942. Los Angeles and other west coast shipyards were turning out merchanmen built by Kaiser at a record clip.

The game is an abstraction (sorry fellas, you willNEVER e bale to recreate WWII again), and penalizing the Allies for losing th west coast of the US is eminently justifiable

On the other hand, a Japanese invasion of the continental US is an extremely game-y outcome which could not have happened in real life.

However, assuming that the Japanese could 1) pull major land forces out of China and Manchuria, 2) come up with enough transport tonnage to move and supply that force across essentially the entire width of the Pacific, while retaining enough merchies in home waters to keep their economy afloat, 3) capture Hawaii (mostly for a jumping-off point, but also to eliminate it as a US base), 4) figure out how to stage a multidivisional opposed amphibious landing across roughly a third of the Pacific, with no LBA support and 5) oh yeah, annihilate the entire US Navy in the meantime, then what?

Well, "Germany First" goes out the window when Hawaii falls, if not before. Consider the US reaction when to a Japanese raid on Pearl Harbor, then extrapolate the likely response to an actual invasion. I don't think that forces already in Europe or the Med would be pulled back, but certainly no more would cross the Atlantic heading east while CONUS was directly threatened. We might even see the end of Lend-Lease. The Pacific Wall would dwarf the Atlantic Wall; and beaches suitable for landings would be mined and obstacled, defended by troops, and dialed-in by artillery; in the air the Japanese would face >10:1 odds, even assuming that they had lost no CVs in their drive across the Pacific. (Any losses would of course multiply the odds dramatically - the Japanese never did build all that many CVs, and Hawaii-to-California is much too far for LBA support.)

I do agree with Get Transport on at least one thing - the entire argument is spurious. Our reasons, however, may differ.